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Post by mightyez on Jul 20, 2020 7:24:31 GMT
Well let’s hope we don’t see that 3 at the back for a while.
We seem to be a better team in terms of overall play so no need to use a formation we used when we had no game control.
Whoever Ole plays against the hammers he must drop DDG, send out a clear message to the player and the team overall.
New era, new rules, no more pandering and dishing out silly season contracts that mean if a player starts to decline selling them would be a massive struggle.
Ddg just needs to take it on the chin, get his head right and go again, whatever has happened over the last 2 years he has to regain form
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Post by Stew on Jul 20, 2020 7:27:14 GMT
We’ve struggled with a team that presses us aggressively. Southampton and Chelsea did and for long periods of the game we looked like we hadn’t anything to combat it. That’s why I’d look at a player like Thiago who is available for 30 mill apparently. For me the priority is
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CM
As someone pointed out, we’re actually blessed to have a replacement for De Gea in Henderson because a good keeper is now very expensive. Given the noise already from the Glazers about the summer spend, we should be most thankful for that.
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Post by redcase on Jul 20, 2020 7:47:31 GMT
About the press, I genuinely think we weren't bothered as much by it, even though we were mostly garbage. They were shite as well let's be honest. They pressed us, but we handled it just fine imo. Nothing to make me look at it as dangerous or cutting us open. I do agree, that having just Bruno and Fred out there as midfielders was not enough to have our own midfield impose on theirs and create any semblance of a chance. That was the issue when it came to midfield imo.
Our defense and goalkeeper were to blame for all 3 goals. They were, fucking atrocious. We need one top CB, and someone with potential - either from our own academy or someone snapped out of another club. Bailly, Lindelof are not United calibre. We cannot start games with either of them. Maguire is someone we are stuck with. That piece cannot be changed. Jones should never put on the shirt again, and Smalling will be sold in all likelihood. This makes for grim reading when it comes to our defensive status.
Keeper, man, I don't know what has gotten into De Gea, but Henderson needs to come back in next season and I think Romero needs to step in next game. Just you watch that cunt Moyes and his goons target De Gea on every corner. Romero at least can take the physical pressure of the game.
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Post by Stew on Jul 20, 2020 9:07:17 GMT
About the press, I genuinely think we weren't bothered as much by it, even though we were mostly garbage. They were shite as well let's be honest. They pressed us, but we handled it just fine imo. Nothing to make me look at it as dangerous or cutting us open. I do agree, that having just Bruno and Fred out there as midfielders was not enough to have our own midfield impose on theirs and create any semblance of a chance. That was the issue when it came to midfield imo. Our defense and goalkeeper were to blame for all 3 goals. They were, fucking atrocious. We need one top CB, and someone with potential - either from our own academy or someone snapped out of another club. Bailly, Lindelof are not United calibre. We cannot start games with either of them. Maguire is someone we are stuck with. That piece cannot be changed. Jones should never put on the shirt again, and Smalling will be sold in all likelihood. This makes for grim reading when it comes to our defensive status. Keeper, man, I don't know what has gotten into De Gea, but Henderson needs to come back in next season and I think Romero needs to step in next game. Just you watch that cunt Moyes and his goons target De Gea on every corner. Romero at least can take the physical pressure of the game. Just because they’re ordinary doesn’t mean we didn’t get our arses handed to us. I genuinely don’t know how anyone could watch that and think we handled any aspect of the game well. Particularly in the first half we have the ball away constantly. Also, what’s been lost in Dave’s struggles is that he also pulled off 2 fantastic saves. And Hudson Odoi should have scored in injury time. The fact a bang average side effectively battered us should give us grave concern. Saying we gifted them goals is just a coping mechanism imo. We did but it’s worse than that. |
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Post by bobbins, again for some reason on Jul 20, 2020 9:10:53 GMT
Dave will definitely be targeted by the opposition from here on in. Henderson 100% has to start for us next season. It's not even a debate. He's doing it for Sheff United so lets be proactive and get him in from the start. Also, i really don't want Ole in pre-season saying 'these things happen' regarding Dave and then sticking with him. I'm hugely in the Henderson camp now, he has to be our number 1.
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Post by johnboy14 on Jul 20, 2020 9:36:38 GMT
Dave will definitely be targeted by the opposition from here on in. Henderson 100% has to start for us next season. It's not even a debate. He's doing it for Sheff United so lets be proactive and get him in from the start. Also, i really don't want Ole in pre-season saying 'these things happen' regarding Dave and then sticking with him. I'm hugely in the Henderson camp now, he has to be our number 1. Never take what a manager says in front of the press seriously, Ole can't be that naive to just assume this is a blip from De Gea. I don't our manager having a go at players in the press, that's what the supporters are for. His form is poor and at this stage you have to take him out of the team else you keep sending a message that failure is acceptable and chances are infinite. Some people call it tough love, I call it putting the team first. I do hope De Gea gets himself right but it's not going to happen unless he's out of the team. That mistake yesterday was down to a lack of concentration not confidence. |
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Post by Rustin Cohle on Jul 20, 2020 10:07:32 GMT
About the press, I genuinely think we weren't bothered as much by it, even though we were mostly garbage. They were shite as well let's be honest. They pressed us, but we handled it just fine imo. Nothing to make me look at it as dangerous or cutting us open. I do agree, that having just Bruno and Fred out there as midfielders was not enough to have our own midfield impose on theirs and create any semblance of a chance. That was the issue when it came to midfield imo. Our defense and goalkeeper were to blame for all 3 goals. They were, fucking atrocious. We need one top CB, and someone with potential - either from our own academy or someone snapped out of another club. Bailly, Lindelof are not United calibre. We cannot start games with either of them. Maguire is someone we are stuck with. That piece cannot be changed. Jones should never put on the shirt again, and Smalling will be sold in all likelihood. This makes for grim reading when it comes to our defensive status. Keeper, man, I don't know what has gotten into De Gea, but Henderson needs to come back in next season and I think Romero needs to step in next game. Just you watch that cunt Moyes and his goons target De Gea on every corner. Romero at least can take the physical pressure of the game. They were very ordinary on the ball - I don't remember them carving us open at all, and we gifted them all three goals. But both Southampton and Chelsea did press well and Stew's bang on IMO that we just can't deal with it right now. The first 25 minutes yesterday were particularly bad for this, we couldn't keep the ball at all, they'd just swarm us every time we won it and we'd panic and send it back to their defenders. |
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Post by Rustin Cohle on Jul 20, 2020 10:09:09 GMT
We’ve struggled with a team that presses us aggressively. Southampton and Chelsea did and for long periods of the game we looked like we hadn’t anything to combat it. That’s why I’d look at a player like Thiago who is available for 30 mill apparently. For me the priority is RW CB CM As someone pointed out, we’re actually blessed to have a replacement for De Gea in Henderson because a good keeper is now very expensive. Given the noise already from the Glazers about the summer spend, we should be most thankful for that. Agree completely with that order. After those three I'd add selling the deadwood, another CB (assuming we sell some first) and maybe a LB too. And you're right, we're very lucky to have Henderson - just look at Chelsea's struggles in that position after dropping £70m. |
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Post by bushy1987 on Jul 20, 2020 10:26:55 GMT
Still proper pissed off about yesterday, feels like a real opportunity missed, to win the cup, but top four and getting the cl is a must for us going forward, if we miss out on cl then we more then likely miss out on our top targets, get the top 4 sorted and have a break then full steam ahead for Europa.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2020 10:41:42 GMT
Dave will definitely be targeted by the opposition from here on in. Henderson 100% has to start for us next season. It's not even a debate. He's doing it for Sheff United so lets be proactive and get him in from the start. Also, i really don't want Ole in pre-season saying 'these things happen' regarding Dave and then sticking with him. I'm hugely in the Henderson camp now, he has to be our number 1. Or they'll target the defence that had a turning speed of a fucking tug boat. Lets not be naive into thinking Dave was solely to blame here either. Maguire and Lindelof were just as much to blame for all 3 goals. |
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Post by Rustin Cohle on Jul 20, 2020 11:13:14 GMT
Dave will definitely be targeted by the opposition from here on in. Henderson 100% has to start for us next season. It's not even a debate. He's doing it for Sheff United so lets be proactive and get him in from the start. Also, i really don't want Ole in pre-season saying 'these things happen' regarding Dave and then sticking with him. I'm hugely in the Henderson camp now, he has to be our number 1. Or they'll target the defence that had a turning speed of a fucking tug boat. Lets not be naive into thinking Dave was solely to blame here either. Maguire and Lindelof were just as much to blame for all 3 goals. Williams made a dreadful mistake too, and even AWB was struggling massively with their press. DDG did make the worst of it though. |
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Post by ScholesEvilTwin on Jul 20, 2020 11:22:31 GMT
Lindelofs marking was woeful for the first. But Dave should have saved it.
Williams pass was sloppy for the 2nd. But Dave definitely should have saved it.
Maguire was woeful for the third. But Dave should have had his near post covered. That is basic shit taught at a young age.
Our defence was woeful but all 3 goals should have been easily saved.
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Post by Rustin Cohle on Jul 20, 2020 11:26:53 GMT
Lindelofs marking was woeful for the first. But Dave should have saved it. Williams pass was sloppy for the 2nd. But Dave definitely should have saved it. Maguire was woeful for the third. But Dave should have had his near post covered. That is basic shit taught at a young age. Our defence was woeful but all 3 goals should have been easily saved. Yep. If Dave does his job and Maguire scores an open goal we probably win that game, even despite being pretty shit for most of it. Chelsea offered nothing when they actually had the ball, bar late on when we were desperately bombing forward to try and score two. |
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Post by ratbag on Jul 20, 2020 11:30:58 GMT
Still have to agree though that we are really bad against a high press...our defenders don't have the ball skills or vision to get out of it with any control...it results in a boot upfield or worse, a cross-field ball that gets intercepted...
Maybe it can be sorted on the training ground but I'm not even sure that they do any training given the speed that the games are coming...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2020 11:31:12 GMT
Or they'll target the defence that had a turning speed of a fucking tug boat. Lets not be naive into thinking Dave was solely to blame here either. Maguire and Lindelof were just as much to blame for all 3 goals. Williams made a dreadful mistake too, and even AWB was struggling massively with their press. DDG did make the worst of it though. True, was singling them out because they contributed to all 3. Without a doubt, not trying to defend him as much as I'd like to. Lindelof was the wrong side of Giroud so was at fault for the first. Lindelof and Maguire should have closed Mount down instead of standing off him so both played a part in that. Maguire was at fault for the 3rd aswell. Obviously Dave made mistakes himself but if we got basic defending right then the ball may not have got that far. This isn't to tey to exonerate De Gea but to further highlight the defensive mistakes leading up to it. |
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