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Post by alwaysUnited on Feb 11, 2021 19:11:30 GMT
 FWIW, I pulled offensive and defensive stats for both Fred and McTominay and for comparison chose Xhaka and Ndidi as the first bad (Xhaka) and good (Ndidi) midfielders that popped into my head. This was more for my own curiosity than anything else, because I don’t rate Fred and aren’t really sure what he does well. His passing stats compared to McTominay’s surprised me, especially when I looked at the through balls and accurate long balls stats as I would’ve expected them to be reversed. Defensively, it would appear that Fred flies in more (higher tackles/match) but wins less (tackle success %). Not sure what the difference is between a duel and a 50/50 or why McTominay wins more duels and Fred wins more 50/50s. Overall, I would say that the massive difference in goals production skews people’s perception in favour of McTominay, it certainly does mine, however if Fred is going to contribute 2 goals in 63 apps, I would expect the defensive stats to be tilted more significantly in his favour, which they aren’t. Realistically, neither of them are good enough at anything to justify a starting role. They’re not that much better defensively than Xhaka to justify what you’re giving up offensively, nor are they much better offensively than Ndidi to justify the chasm in defensive ability. Good post , Ndidi would have been a great signing for us , but he will cost a ton. Heard Denis Zakaria is rated very highly , he is linked with the scums now , may be we should swoop in and convince him this summer |
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Post by Tatty on Feb 11, 2021 19:53:51 GMT
A lot of Fred's detractors comes form that time Troy Deeney said Watford targeted him in a game they won. Yes, he has clangers every now and then that usually result in a big chance for the opposition, but that's because he's the only fucker who moves for the centre backs when we do our baffling 'playing out from the back' nonsense. I feel like I must have seen that before but have forgotten about it. When did Deeney say that? Tosser. Along the lines of: Watford players were told to press Fred as they felt he panicked on the ball and was guaranteed mistake waiting to happen.’u |
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Post by Rustin Cohle on Feb 11, 2021 19:57:17 GMT
Leicester away in the quarters. Tough draw but not City at least (who got a similar draw in Everton away). One of Bournemouth and Southampton will make it to the semis, and Chelsea (or Barnsley) got Sheffield United.
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Post by Tatty on Feb 11, 2021 20:00:12 GMT
Just seen Diop was the first player to go off as a concussion sub. If that’s the case, how the fuck did the West Ham medical staff clear him to finish the half? Seems wholly irresponsible and further evidence the protocols in place still are not enough.
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Post by Ole's Red Whiteknight03 Army on Feb 11, 2021 20:03:26 GMT
FWIW, I pulled offensive and defensive stats for both Fred and McTominay and for comparison chose Xhaka and Ndidi as the first bad (Xhaka) and good (Ndidi) midfielders that popped into my head. This was more for my own curiosity than anything else, because I don’t rate Fred and aren’t really sure what he does well. His passing stats compared to McTominay’s surprised me, especially when I looked at the through balls and accurate long balls stats as I would’ve expected them to be reversed. Defensively, it would appear that Fred flies in more (higher tackles/match) but wins less (tackle success %). Not sure what the difference is between a duel and a 50/50 or why McTominay wins more duels and Fred wins more 50/50s. Overall, I would say that the massive difference in goals production skews people’s perception in favour of McTominay, it certainly does mine, however if Fred is going to contribute 2 goals in 63 apps, I would expect the defensive stats to be tilted more significantly in his favour, which they aren’t. Realistically, neither of them are good enough at anything to justify a starting role. They’re not that much better defensively than Xhaka to justify what you’re giving up offensively, nor are they much better offensively than Ndidi to justify the chasm in defensive ability. So what your saying is we need to buy ndidi in the summer Please and thank you. |
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Post by ratbag on Feb 11, 2021 20:42:47 GMT
Think ratbag is talking about his assuming Fred has a better pass completion percentage than e.g. Bruno/Pogba because he plays fewer 'risk' passes, which he is now going to reassess. At the risk of boring people (and really this is my last post on it)- Fred is a safe passer and takes way less risks. But that’s not my issue. My issue is Fred being described as a terrible passer or one of the worst passers we’ve seen in recent years when the facts directly contradict these opinions. Ok, I will also make this my last post on the matter...I have never said Fred is a terrible passer of the ball but that using stats without context is an apples and oranges thing...pretty pointless... |
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Post by Rustin Cohle on Feb 11, 2021 21:04:29 GMT
Just seen Diop was the first player to go off as a concussion sub. If that’s the case, how the fuck did the West Ham medical staff clear him to finish the half? Seems wholly irresponsible and further evidence the protocols in place still are not enough. I may be wrong, but aren't the concussion subs there to allow medical teams to check thoroughly? So there's no problem in him coming back if he passes the check? |
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