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Post by dazjoe on May 14, 2021 8:42:05 GMT
It would be harsh on Fred to drop him for the final, given the role he played in getting us there. But it was harsh on Leighton to drop him for the FA Cup final and Fergie did it. Because it was the right decision and one that had to be taken for the good of the team. Dropped Leighton from an FA Cup final. Dropped Park from a Champions League final. Dropped Robson from an FA Cup final in what would have been his final ever appearance for the club. Proper manager with a backbone who put the game first and players feelings 2nd. |
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Post by oscared on May 14, 2021 9:02:05 GMT
Bestie you won't like this much but i think it's fair to say Harry Maguire is without doubt the best CB we have, he needs a proper partner and we can see what he really can do. Holding Bailly and Lindelof is no easy feat, zero leadership between the 2 and they both have no business starting in all honesty. Sadly this is true, Lindelof is a fucking shambles, Bailly is an accident waiting to happen when fit, Tuenzebe is a great prospect but needs a run of games to get established, the club isnt being run properly some shocking signings are now biting us on the arse. |
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Post by Bestie on May 14, 2021 9:02:23 GMT
So the most we can get is 76 points, 4 less than Jose's boys.....progress? i don't even know how we're measuring progress, i don't think we can take anything from this season, it's been crazy, with fans back in stadiums and getting back to normality only then will we see where we are. Despite where we are in the league, Liverpool and Chelsea are all still better than us, City are miles ahead and Leicester maybe we're on a par with, so at the moment i'm expecting nothing more than a scrap for top 4. But if the club are serious about pushing on then we need 2 midfielders, 100% a centre half, right winger and a striker, 5 players all for the first team (sadly that's not going to happen) Five less. |
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Post by Bestie on May 14, 2021 9:16:23 GMT
Bestie you won't like this much but i think it's fair to say Harry Maguire is without doubt the best CB we have, he needs a proper partner and we can see what he really can do. Holding Bailly and Lindelof is no easy feat, zero leadership between the 2 and they both have no business starting in all honesty. It isn't that I don't like it. It just isn't accurate. We don't have a 'best' CB. They're all shite. Maguire has played in every League defeat, every every humiliation, every capitulation, since we signed him. That we didn't improve without him is not evidence of his being even adequate. It is the failing of the rest of them. We need at least two new CBs and Maguire needs to fuck off to Palace or Bournemouth or some other nothing club that is barely his level. I am not sitting here a day after we get destroyed by cunting Liverpool and reading this inevitable rubbish that it was because Maguire wasn't playing. Giving him any fraction of 'we needed Maguire' is as bad as giving Ole excuses. He is shite. |
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Post by Bestie on May 14, 2021 9:18:24 GMT
It would be harsh on Fred to drop him for the final, given the role he played in getting us there. But it was harsh on Leighton to drop him for the FA Cup final and Fergie did it. Because it was the right decision and one that had to be taken for the good of the team. Dropped Leighton from an FA Cup final. Dropped Park from a Champions League final. Dropped Robson from an FA Cup final in what would have been his final ever appearance for the club. Proper manager with a backbone who put the game first and players feelings 2nd. Our (Glazer-led) decline began when Fergie started to lose that ruthless streak and keep players we knew weren't elite enough because we didn't have the money to replace them. |
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Post by Bestie on May 14, 2021 9:19:51 GMT
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Post by mightyez on May 14, 2021 9:26:13 GMT
Bestie you won't like this much but i think it's fair to say Harry Maguire is without doubt the best CB we have, he needs a proper partner and we can see what he really can do. Holding Bailly and Lindelof is no easy feat, zero leadership between the 2 and they both have no business starting in all honesty. It isn't that I don't like it. It just isn't accurate. We don't have a 'best' CB. They're all shite. Maguire has played in every League defeat, every every humiliation, every capitulation, since we signed him. That we didn't improve without him is not evidence of his being even adequate. It is the failing of the rest of them. We need at least two new CBs and Maguire needs to fuck off to Palace or Bournemouth or some other nothing club that is barely his level. I am not sitting here a day after we get destroyed by cunting Liverpool and reading this inevitable rubbish that it was because Maguire wasn't playing. Giving him any fraction of 'we needed Maguire' is as bad as giving Ole excuses. He is shite. They will never sell him sadly because we overpaid, he is sadly here to stay unless we buy a leader and the likes of tuanzebe and mengi make that leap and force the issue to start. |
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Post by viking22 on May 14, 2021 9:35:53 GMT
Honestly I think McFred is a bigger problem than our defence. We had an even worse defence under Jose but because we had a younger Matic and Herrera we got away with it and even Pogba offers more defensive protection right now. And of course going forward McFred offer nothing. The extent of their attacking contribution is giving the ball to Bruno and any sort of pressure and the ball instead goes to the opposition.
Liverpool had a novice centre back pairing and A-A who can't defend and basically played a free role last night. But because their central midfield was so much superior to ours and Ole didn't have the tactical nous to bypass central midfield we gave them a very comfortable game.
Absolutely agree we have to drop Fred for the final. I don't think McT is anything special and would be better suited for a Fletcher type role in a midfield three where all he'd have to do is break up play and get forward and chip in some goals. But Fred is definitely the weakest link in our midfield and Emery is too smart not to realize that. As evidence of this amazingly we looked defensively more solid when Pogba came on!
Honestly a part of me wants us to lose the Europa League final. It would be harsh on the players that deserve it such as Cavani, Bruno, Rashers, Greenwood, Dave etc. But I don't want Ole giving some speech about how it represents progress and a massive step forward for the team and a platform for more trophies next season. It is a second rate competition and winning it would just paper over the cracks and deflect attention from the fact that in the competitions that matter (EPL, CL, FA cup etc) we fell short.
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Post by safariRed on May 14, 2021 9:43:53 GMT
I almost want us to lose 2nd so the fans screaming ‘progress’ can see how wrong they are. I actively do. The impact when we punt second and lose to Villarreal? Give it to me. sad to say but there's very good chance of that happening. it wont even be a surprise at this point. |
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Post by Bestie on May 14, 2021 9:44:10 GMT
We need to sort the defence because having a reliable back line means (theoretically - Ole doesn't have the bollocks for it) we can move to one DM.
Currently the perfect excuse for the McTominay and Fred partnership is our porous defence.
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Post by Karma on May 14, 2021 9:53:34 GMT
Dropped Leighton from an FA Cup final. Dropped Park from a Champions League final. Dropped Robson from an FA Cup final in what would have been his final ever appearance for the club. Proper manager with a backbone who put the game first and players feelings 2nd. Our (Glazer-led) decline began when Fergie started to lose that ruthless streak and keep players we knew weren't elite enough because we didn't have the money to replace them. Now we do it with both players and managers. |
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Post by mightyez on May 14, 2021 9:58:41 GMT
what you need is a mobile destroyer ala Kante which would be bissouma and you need someone who can control the game with passing, intelligence but can handle themselves which would be neves.
I agree if you have the right pivot it would improve the defence and the attack.
We simply are running out of time with this slow build.
spend £220 million this summer getting the rw, cb, rb and cmx2.
Recoup £100 million plus on sales chong matic mata jones (£5 million for them) pereira (£5 million), dalot (£20 million), ddg (£40 million), lingard (£30 million) Bailly (£15 million) James (£20 million)
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Post by mightyez on May 14, 2021 10:02:04 GMT
you know what I don't know why i am fooling myself, the manager aint good enough so buy him all the nicest shiny toys and he will not know what to do.
I mean just look at what lampard did with some of the chelsea players
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Post by Stew on May 14, 2021 10:05:20 GMT
The thing that pisses me off is we see at least twice a season how good Ndidi is. So either you buy him (which we won’t) or you go out and get 5he next one. Bissouma, Souarme, Zakaria and particularly Carmavinga are all available and decent prices for the first 3. We don’t have to spend huge money to upgrade the CM position. But we won’t spend any fucking money on it.
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Post by Karma on May 14, 2021 10:09:21 GMT
what you need is a mobile destroyer ala Kante which would be bissouma and you need someone who can control the game with passing, intelligence but can handle themselves which would be neves. I agree if you have the right pivot it would improve the defence and the attack. We simply are running out of time with this slow build. spend £220 million this summer getting the rw, cb, rb and cmx2. Recoup £100 million plus on sales chong matic mata jones (£5 million for them) pereira (£5 million), dalot (£20 million), ddg (£40 million), lingard (£30 million) Bailly (£15 million) James (£20 million) I think selling Dalot would be another mistake. |
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