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Post by redcase on May 27, 2021 9:51:59 GMT
Anyone blaming DDG needs to give their head a wobble. That was one of the highest quality shootouts I've ever seen, the vast majority of the pens from both sides were near-unsaveable. But more importantly, the guy was the best goalkeeper in the world for several years that were totally wasted with us. He tried to get his dream move, but when it fell through he knuckled down and gave everything he had for this club, when we really didn't deserve it based on how pathetic we were pretty much everywhere else. He's past his best, but we would have been so, so much worse off without him over the past decade. De Gea is shit at penalties and that's not wrong. However, anyone clinging on to that as some sort of pivotal moment in the game which turned the tide is fucking deluded. I saw one absolutely sanity-eviscerating post about de Gea fooling our previous managers into thinking he's a good keeper. Some of our fans are cunts. |
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Post by DoctorHver on May 27, 2021 9:52:00 GMT
Bruno will escape my wrath as he has been amazing since he came in and clearly works to a different level from everyone else. He is a leader without a doubt I'm going to come off harsh and a dick head for saying it, but Bruno crying because we lost a second rate European competition is a weak mentality. Champions league final is maybe understandable, but not this. Maybe I'm reaching, but we really do need more experience for times like this. Someone who has been there and done it. Its never good experiance of losing a final no matter the occasion so I don't particularly fault him for showing emotions, but it seems to happen pretty regularly now days that players are in tears if they lose a final. I often wonder if these tears are truthful or if they are there just for the show. If its former then I don't think its nesserly sign of a weakness since the outcome final was not something the player wanted or wished for as losing can be pretty painful. IF its the later then thats lot more problemetic far as I'm concerned, manly as its not truth showing of emotions. Players that do this would actually deserve the academy awards for best male actor, similarly when they fake an injury or dive, and it would add to list of things that need to be cleaned out of the sircus thats modern football. As for UEFA cup/Europa League being second rate cup nowdays we can all thank UEFA's greed/corrupton for that when they expanded CL over 22 years ago. So if we had lost yeasterdays final say somewhere in 1970s or 1980s or in any year pre-1999-2000. We did all very upset of losing final in UEFA competiion which was on basicly an equel standing as EC/CL and CWC (RIP). |
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Post by Stew on May 27, 2021 10:02:46 GMT
He was a hateful racist prick but Suarez had a similar run of form with the Scouse to Bruno’s with us. He subsequently realised he would have to leave to achieve his dreams. We’re 12 months away from that I reckon, however long it takes the Spanish giants to get their act together. We’re actually blessed because if Bruno has a good Euros normally Real would be all over him. I n normal times it'd probably be this summer TBH, but the pandemic damaging Real's finances (Barca's were already ruined through incompetence) has put it on hold. Surely not for much longer though. That’s what I said, right? |
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Post by bushy1987 on May 27, 2021 10:11:07 GMT
At this stage it's just crazy that we havnt already brought in Conte.
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Post by mightyez on May 27, 2021 10:15:01 GMT
At this stage it's just crazy that we havnt already brought in Conte. Preach that truth. Supposedly allegri is off to Juve. |
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Post by keanosdog16 on May 27, 2021 10:19:15 GMT
So where the fuck do we go from here!!?
We sure as shit haven't progressed this season and those that think we have will have a nasty shock when normal service is resumed in terms of fans back in stadiums and certain clubs getting players back from injury etc.
I wasn't impressed with Villareal last night, they were well organised but offered fuck all apart from a set piece, they're shite and we couldn't get passed them because we're a bang average side with no squad depth, there was fuck all on that bench last night that would have changed anything.
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Post by Reduntildeath on May 27, 2021 10:28:20 GMT
A lot of folk giving Ole grief for not taking De Gea off. That’s bollocks man, barely anyone has done that in the history of football. Give him grief for the rest of the decisions he made though. The loss is ultimately on him but not because he didn’t sub a different keeper on. The last time I saw it done was in a World Cup with the “Iron Tulip” |
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Post by Rustin Cohle on May 27, 2021 10:33:36 GMT
I n normal times it'd probably be this summer TBH, but the pandemic damaging Real's finances (Barca's were already ruined through incompetence) has put it on hold. Surely not for much longer though. That’s what I said, right? Sorry, must have misread your post. |
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Post by johnboy14 on May 27, 2021 10:35:56 GMT
So where the fuck do we go from here!!? We sure as shit haven't progressed this season and those that think we have will have a nasty shock when normal service is resumed in terms of fans back in stadiums and certain clubs getting players back from injury etc. I wasn't impressed with Villareal last night, they were well organised but offered fuck all apart from a set piece, they're shite and we couldn't get passed them because we're a bang average side with no squad depth, there was fuck all on that bench last night that would have changed anything. I disagree, there were options on the bench, Donny, Mata, Telles and Amad were all attacking options that could have been deployed to have an effect on the game. You might well be right but i guess we will never know. Amad is young and young legs against tired legs might have forced a penalty or produced something, Mata is a clever player and might have produced something against that packed defense. My point is, Ole simply refused to act or gamble in any way. |
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Post by kstandhand on May 27, 2021 10:37:44 GMT
At this stage it's just crazy that we havnt already brought in Conte. Not enough DN fucking A! |
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Post by Reduntildeath on May 27, 2021 10:40:16 GMT
Christ I feel so bloody empty this morning after the Lord Mayor’s Show last night.
A penalty shoot-out is ALWAYS a lottery, but ,as has already been said, we should’ve been able to beat them properly in normal time.
Ole’s gotta go, and soon.
Won’t happen I’m (almost) sure, but Simeone is the one for me, he brooks absolutely no shit, as is as tough as old boots.
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Post by Bestie on May 27, 2021 10:44:15 GMT
Well, yes. Still not impressed by Poch though. According to Sky, he's in talks to go back to Spurs already! Good. Perfect match. |
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Post by Stew on May 27, 2021 10:56:15 GMT
Jonathan Wilson absolutely nailing it.
Guardian
What if David de Gea had converted his penalty in the shootout against Villarreal? How much difference would it have made had he scored on Wednesday and Gerónimo Rulli had been the goalkeeper to miss from the spot? Was that really it, that one kick, 4.5% of a penalty shootout, was that all that determined whether this season could be considered a success or not for Manchester United? How absurd it should all come down to the capacity of one goalkeeper to beat another.
Even at the best of times, De Gea has the air of a doomed llama. Having extended his run of penalties conceded in a row to 36 over a six-year period (does Bruno Fernandes, who has scored 32 of his past 33 for United and Porto, not including shootouts, practise against him? If he does, is there a more futile contest taking place on any training ground?), there was a glum inevitability as he stepped up.
As such he makes an easy scapegoat – and it is reasonable to ask why, with one substitution left to make, Ole Gunnar Solskjær did not replace him with Dean Henderson, who has saved eight of the 19 penalties he’s faced – but this was about far deeper-rooted problems. Perhaps to link Solskjær’s inaction to his failure to substitute Fred before he was sent off against Paris Saint-Germain in December is unfair, but they are two instances when decisiveness may have headed off setbacks that felt extremely predictable.
Of course it matters that United extended their trophy drought to four years. Of course it matters that Solskjær does not have silverware to foster the sense he is building something. But what matters far more was the nature of the defeat. United again and again under Solskjær have struggled against well-organised opponents who sit deep.
Come at United, leave space behind your defensive line, and they will expose you. On the counterattack, they can be devastating, as Manchester City have found repeatedly, as PSG have twice discovered in losing to them at the Parc des Princes, as RB Leipzig learned at Old Trafford. It’s part of the reason United’s away record is so much more impressive than their home record this season. But bed in with a low block and they are reliant on one of their brilliant players doing something brilliant; there is little sense of cohesive attacking structure – something that marks out the very best from the rest.
“When Ole came in we had a process,” a defiant Marcus Rashford said. “We believe in the process.” His loyalty is commendable but that process is as hard to discern now as it was when Solskjær got the job two and a half seasons ago. His advocates will point out that United improved their league position by a place and gathered eight more points this season than last, but is that really to do with underlying improvementsor is it simply that now they have Edinson Cavani?
It was his alertness and intelligence that brought the equaliser on Wednesday – a poacher seizing on a loose ball from a corner to awaken memories of another European final on Matt Busby’s birthday. But echoes of past glories are not enough and the more immediate comparison was of the defeat by Sevilla in the Europa League semi-final last season.
Then, too, United toiled against disciplined but unspectacular Spanish opposition. Then, too, they ran out of belief. And then, too, Solskjær delayed his substitutions. Nothing has changed.
Against Sevilla, he brought nobody on until the 87th minute; on Wednesday he waited even longer, until the 10th minute of extra time, before introducing Fred for Mason Greenwood. How can it be that a squad on which a net £380m has been spent over the past five years leave a manager so apparently short of options? That, perhaps, is some mitigation for Solskjær, but just because one part of the club is failing does not mean that others are not as well.
The biggest problem on the bench is that of Donny van de Beek. Nothing perhaps exemplifies the great carelessness of modern football than the break-up of the Ajax side that reached a Champions League semi-final in 2019. Van de Beek, Frenkie de Jong, Matthijs De Ligt and Hakim Ziyech were sold off for £220m; all look poorer players now than they did then in a structure that suited them.
That is why systems matterand United seem not to have one. What happens now? Perhaps United spend another £100m, perhaps they pay a huge fee and land Harry Kane or Jadon Sancho. Perhaps their excellence would mean a handful more points: perhaps United do not suffer the frustration they did against Crystal Palace, Sheffield United or West Bromthis season. Maybe 74 points becomes 78 or 79. There may even be success in one of the cups.
But until there is a cohesive attacking pattern that allows United to dismantle low blocks without relying on Cavani or Fernandes or Paul Pogba doing something sensational, there cannot be consistent success; however much they spend, United will always be a level below the elite.
That’s why De Gea’s miss was little more than a detail. It was the ultimate trigger of failure, of another blank year, but it’s the underlying problems United need to worry about and those would not have gone away even if he had scored.
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Post by Karma on May 27, 2021 11:13:41 GMT
So where the fuck do we go from here!!? We sure as shit haven't progressed this season and those that think we have will have a nasty shock when normal service is resumed in terms of fans back in stadiums and certain clubs getting players back from injury etc. I wasn't impressed with Villareal last night, they were well organised but offered fuck all apart from a set piece, they're shite and we couldn't get passed them because we're a bang average side with no squad depth, there was fuck all on that bench last night that would have changed anything. Villarreal don’t have a better team than us. They just knew how to set up against our weaknesses. They also used their subs and used them well. Something our manager is too chicken to do. |
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Post by redcase on May 27, 2021 11:23:33 GMT
Manchester United.
Undone by the low block.
Disband this group of cunts.
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