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Post by Bestie on Aug 22, 2021 21:18:59 GMT
How is comparing points totals because 'COVID' futile but final positions not? Wouldn't a 'COVID' anomaly season be a COVID anomaly season for everything? We finished second last season. The fact our point total was perhaps not as high as Jose once achieved is insignificant in my opinions. Circumstances were different. Circumstances were (more or less) similar for everyone last season. Therefore comparing records within that bracket is more informative IMO Circumstances were not the same. Liverpool lost their talisman and best player. Chelsea had Lampard for half the season. city won the League. Ole bottled our best chance of a real title challenge after one week of being top. |
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Post by Stretty on Aug 22, 2021 21:21:05 GMT
Look its only 2 games in and you can understand him not throwing the new signings in straight away as they are not likely to be anywhere near match fit. That said to play matic and fred was a disaster waiting to happen. Compounded by playing martial who seems to have totally lost the ability to give a fuck. We have to get all our players match fit and see where we are. I do however agree with some on here that Ole is severely lacking and at times looks out of his depth. Nothing is surer than he will be sacked if he wins nowt this year and I think that's highly likely Poyba will then be off if bruno doesn't win trophies he will also want out. This year really is shit or bust.If he finishes top 4 with a decent cup run then he’s fine. any other big club would have………………….. nah fuck it I’m repeating myself |
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Post by Stretty on Aug 22, 2021 21:25:55 GMT
We finished second last season. The fact our point total was perhaps not as high as Jose once achieved is insignificant in my opinions. Circumstances were different. Circumstances were (more or less) similar for everyone last season. Therefore comparing records within that bracket is more informative IMO Circumstances were not the same. Liverpool lost their talisman and best player. Chelsea had Lampard for half the season. city won the League. Ole bottled our best chance of a real title challenge after one week of being top. They fucked him off got a top manager in and won the champions league. I wonder if Chelsea fans are arsed about Tuchel getting the club and all that DNA bollocks. |
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Post by dazjoe on Aug 22, 2021 21:27:49 GMT
Look its only 2 games in and you can understand him not throwing the new signings in straight away as they are not likely to be anywhere near match fit. That said to play matic and fred was a disaster waiting to happen. Compounded by playing martial who seems to have totally lost the ability to give a fuck. We have to get all our players match fit and see where we are. I do however agree with some on here that Ole is severely lacking and at times looks out of his depth. Nothing is surer than he will be sacked if he wins nowt this year and I think that's highly likely Poyba will then be off if bruno doesn't win trophies he will also want out. This year really is shit or bust.If he finishes top 4 with a decent cup run then he’s fine. any other big club would have………………….. nah fuck it I’m repeating myself He doesn't even need the cup run. He can finish 4th and be knocked out of every cup in the 1st round/Group, and he's set. And he knows it. Few people on Earth have landed on their feet quite like Ole has, he must wake up every morning and take 10 minutes to come round, constantly having to remind himself it's not actually a dream. He really is manager of Manchester United. Even though he has exactly no qualifications to be in this position, at all. And he's paid vast sums of money. And he's under zero pressure; every other manager at every other big club is under immense pressure. They need to deliver trophies. He literally just has to do the absolute bare minimum, finish below 3 others if you like, just make sure you get 4th, and don't worry about winning anything. As long as he does this, he keeps his job. He must feel like the man who invented masturbation. Anyone on here used to read Viz magazine? There was a character they had called Spawny Get. Everything went right for him, he'd end every page surrounded by big titted birds in bikini's, loads of sweets (he was supposed to be a kid) and loads of money, whilst onlookers cried "You spawny get!" That's Ole. |
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Post by Bestie on Aug 22, 2021 21:38:47 GMT
If he finishes top 4 with a decent cup run then he’s fine. any other big club would have………………….. nah fuck it I’m repeating myself He doesn't even need the cup run. He can finish 4th and be knocked out of every cup in the 1st round/Group, and he's set. And he knows it. Few people on Earth have landed on their feet quite like Ole has, he must wake up every morning and take 10 minutes to come round, constantly having to remind himself it's not actually a dream. He really is manager of Manchester United. Even though he has exactly no qualifications to be in this position, at all. And he's paid vast sums of money. And he's under zero pressure; every other manager at every other big club is under immense pressure. They need to deliver trophies. He literally just has to do the absolute bare minimum, finish below 3 others if you like, just make sure you get 4th, and don't worry about winning anything. As long as he does this, he keeps his job. He must feel like the man who invented masturbation. Anyone on here used to read Viz magazine? There was a character they had called Spawny Get. Everything went right for him, he'd end every page surrounded by big titted birds in bikini's, loads of sweets (he was supposed to be a kid) and loads of money, whilst onlookers cried "You spawny get!" That's Ole. The worst of it is he can't even be a spawny get when it matters the most and we constantly fluff actually winning trophies. |
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Post by viking22 on Aug 22, 2021 21:42:58 GMT
No one had much of a pre-season and Sancho and Varane both featured in the Euros so it is not like they have been sitting on a beach for 3 months and as modern elite footballers they'll have been training regularly. And players of that quality do not need loads of training sessions to gel with the team. They can slot straight in. And if Ole feels his alternative is to start Lindelof and play Martial upfront and Greenwood on the right then it is pretty obvious you start Varane and Sancho. Even if they are a bit rusty they'd have still done a much better job than Lindelof and Martial did out there and Greenwood might have scored another goal or two if he'd played upfront the whole game.
Scotty getting injured was our first test of the season. Considering our opposition was Southampton it wasn't much of a test and a competent manager would have been able to re-jig the team and get a result. Ole made three changes (Matic, Martial for James, pushing Greenwood to the right) that significantly weakened the team and threw off its balance and gave Southampton's gameplan a good chance of success. And even though it was obvious it wasn't working out it still took him an hour to hook Martial and 76 minutes to break up the disastrous Fred-Matic midfield pairing that simply couldn't handle Southampton's press. And even though Maguire and Lindelof were crap today Varane didn't even get a look in.
There will be much tougher tests to come and I just don't trust Ole to pass them. Team selections, tactics, squad rotation, substitutions, game management just seem to be consistent failings and they tend to be the difference between success and failure.
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Post by redcase on Aug 23, 2021 4:18:07 GMT
Fair play. Avram Grant was a John Terry away from winning that too I’m really not sure what point you’re trying to make. Nothing. He wrote that there just for the sake of a response. Or to troll. Because the alternative is that he compared Grant to Tuchel but I refuse to believe people are that dumb. |
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Post by kstandhand on Aug 23, 2021 5:59:24 GMT
Poor management cost us.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2021 6:07:23 GMT
I’m really not sure what point you’re trying to make. Nothing. He wrote that there just for the sake of a response. Or to troll. Because the alternative is that he compared Grant to Tuchel but I refuse to believe people are that dumb. Or perhaps to show that with a good measure of luck, and a good side capable of beating anyone when they show up, even Avram Grant could have won the CL. Touchel managed to lose PSG the league, finish behind OGS in another and did brilliantly in the later stages of a cup competition. Credit where it’s due. If calling yet another “If only we had him and not Ole” is trolling then so be it. |
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Post by kstandhand on Aug 23, 2021 6:44:48 GMT
Same strange selections,same poor in game management. What's changed  ? We have a decent squad of players,the manager is the weak link holding this lot back. |
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Post by oscared on Aug 23, 2021 6:51:41 GMT
Same strange selections,same poor in game management. What's changed ? We have a decent squad of players,the manager is the weak link holding this lot back. Nothing, Ole hasn't learned anything from the mistakes he made last season its 2 points dropped. He`s clearly winging it but managed to get a contract extension for winning nothing. |
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Post by Stew on Aug 23, 2021 7:00:45 GMT
Nothing. He wrote that there just for the sake of a response. Or to troll. Because the alternative is that he compared Grant to Tuchel but I refuse to believe people are that dumb. Or perhaps to show that with a good measure of luck, and a good side capable of beating anyone when they show up, even Avram Grant could have won the CL. Touchel managed to lose PSG the league, finish behind OGS in another and did brilliantly in the later stages of a cup competition. Credit where it’s due. If calling yet another “If only we had him and not Ole” is trolling then so be it. I know the French league is easy but I’m not sure even PSG can mathematically win it by the 24th of December, the date on which he was fired. PSG were a massive 1 point off top when they sacked him so ‘Tuchel managed to lose PSG the league’ is quite a stretch. He’s also won several other trophies but you don’t seem that keen to mention them. I wonder why? |
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Post by Reduntildeath on Aug 23, 2021 7:08:32 GMT
We scored 5 goals in a game 10 times in 153 games under Ole. We managed that only twice in 302 games under the previous three managers. We finished third in his first full season, and second in the following season. We’ve done these arguments far too many times. Some see the progress, even if it too slow for our liking, and other prefer to ignore it. We’re not going to make it more interesting if we throw in sarcastic comments or insults. It’s OK to disagree. My comment after the game had nothing to do with my stance, and I was quite disappointed with Ole’s team selection, but fact is that there isn’t going to be a rational discussion of Ole’s tenure here. I've been watching football long enough to recognise when a manager is lacking. Ole is effectively earning his apprenticeship at one of the world's biggest clubs. What is rational about that? How long do we persist with him? Bruno is in his prime now, so he doesn't have 3 or 4 windows to win trophies. It's now or never for some players. This! |
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Post by kstandhand on Aug 23, 2021 7:12:28 GMT
I've been watching football long enough to recognise when a manager is lacking. Ole is effectively earning his apprenticeship at one of the world's biggest clubs. What is rational about that? How long do we persist with him? Bruno is in his prime now, so he doesn't have 3 or 4 windows to win trophies. It's now or never for some players. This! Exactly! He has now spent over £400 mill on players,it didn't look like it once again yesterday. Sack him before we are out of the title race. |
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Post by redcase on Aug 23, 2021 7:37:13 GMT
Or perhaps to show that with a good measure of luck, and a good side capable of beating anyone when they show up, even Avram Grant could have won the CL. Touchel managed to lose PSG the league, finish behind OGS in another and did brilliantly in the later stages of a cup competition. Credit where it’s due. If calling yet another “If only we had him and not Ole” is trolling then so be it. I know the French league is easy but I’m not sure even PSG can mathematically win it by the 24th of December, the date on which he was fired. PSG were a massive 1 point off top when they sacked him so ‘Tuchel managed to lose PSG the league’ is quite a stretch. He’s also won several other trophies but you don’t seem that keen to mention them. I wonder why? He's trying his hardest mate give him a breather. Got to be tiring when you're trying so hard to clutch at straws. |
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