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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2021 8:08:55 GMT
Touchel is not responsible for PSG losing the league, nor for Chelsea finishing behind us in the league. He’s the new Poch, but this time a Poch with actual trophies. Ole is done.
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Post by Diablo Rouge on Aug 23, 2021 8:13:57 GMT
Lets not forget either Everton wiped the floor with Saints last weekend too. And we had a full week to prepare with no midweek interuptions or distractions. Get used to it happening another 15+ times this season.
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Post by ratbag on Aug 23, 2021 8:22:18 GMT
I only got to see the second half but bloody hell we were woeful at times...
Martial phoned it in again as far as I could see...
Having two below par DMs didn't work...we were so sloppy in possession it was frightening...
...and the usual late and baffling substitutions...
Matic and Fred should have been hooked way before they were and DvdB not getting on ahead of Lingard is unforgivable...
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Post by Reduntildeath on Aug 23, 2021 8:23:45 GMT
I know the French league is easy but I’m not sure even PSG can mathematically win it by the 24th of December, the date on which he was fired. PSG were a massive 1 point off top when they sacked him so ‘Tuchel managed to lose PSG the league’ is quite a stretch. He’s also won several other trophies but you don’t seem that keen to mention them. I wonder why? He's trying his hardest mate give him a breather. Got to be tiring when you're trying so hard to clutch at straws. I think everyone on this forum loves Ole as an ex-player, and as an excellent human being, it’s his ability as a tactical coach that is seriously wanting. And he’s had a three year ‘breather’ which is enough for anyone to make an impression I would’ve thought. |
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Post by alt on Aug 23, 2021 8:30:20 GMT
3 years and Ole's in game management is still utterly and completely woeful. How can this not improve in 3 whole years? We still sit around waiting for his changes when not winning a game, knowing he'll make the 3 subs in the 75th, 83rd and 89th minutes. How many times has this worked for him? How the fuck has he not got it into his thick head yet when it's 55 - 60 minutes on the clock, nothing is happening for us on the pitch, we're behind or drawing and he's still sitting there, gormlessly grinning and thinking "just keep waiting". At which point does the light switch on for him? How can he not think "Actually, hold on. We've been here before; me waiting until the death before finally changing something. And from memory, it keeps not working. Could I............... change something now???" He is easily at Moyes level for his substitutions.Fixed, although possibly a tad harsh on Moyes. |
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Post by Stew on Aug 23, 2021 8:45:39 GMT
Touchel is not responsible for PSG losing the league, nor for Chelsea finishing behind us in the league. He’s the new Poch, but this time a Poch with actual trophies. Ole is done. Why don’t you show us one example of someone on here suggesting that? I’ll wait. |
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Post by Stew on Aug 23, 2021 8:50:45 GMT
I know the French league is easy but I’m not sure even PSG can mathematically win it by the 24th of December, the date on which he was fired. PSG were a massive 1 point off top when they sacked him so ‘Tuchel managed to lose PSG the league’ is quite a stretch. He’s also won several other trophies but you don’t seem that keen to mention them. I wonder why? He's trying his hardest mate give him a breather. Got to be tiring when you're trying so hard to clutch at straws. Not trying to instigate a pile-on but it seems the chap is trying to prove Ole is as good a manager as Tuchel. Which is so off the charts it’s almost worrying. |
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Post by redcase on Aug 23, 2021 8:59:41 GMT
Touchel is not responsible for PSG losing the league, nor for Chelsea finishing behind us in the league. He’s the new Poch, but this time a Poch with actual trophies. Ole is done. Why don’t you show us one example of someone on here suggesting that? I’ll wait. Don't wait. He's trolling now. Which is an amusing departure from the usual stuff he comes up with when it comes to the manager. |
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Post by redcase on Aug 23, 2021 9:00:08 GMT
He's trying his hardest mate give him a breather. Got to be tiring when you're trying so hard to clutch at straws. Not trying to instigate a pile-on but it seems the chap is trying to prove Ole is as good a manager as Tuchel. Which is so off the charts it’s almost worrying. You're very polite  |
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Post by Stew on Aug 23, 2021 9:06:23 GMT
Not trying to instigate a pile-on but it seems the chap is trying to prove Ole is as good a manager as Tuchel. Which is so off the charts it’s almost worrying. You're very polite I’m trying to turn over a new leaf! |
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Post by viking22 on Aug 23, 2021 11:19:56 GMT
I admire Ole apologists. It is not an easy job. You have to somehow convince yourself that:
1. Ole has done a much better job than his predecessors.
2. We are making good progress under Ole and getting closer to winning trophies
3. None of the other managers we could have hired to replace Ole could do a better job or if they could it would come at an unacceptably high cost (e.g. betraying our "culture", stalling the development of young players, boring negative football, excessive media scrutiny, boom and bust etc).
4. Ole deserves more time
Point 1 is tenuous at best. LVG and Jose both won trophies and delivered top 4 finishes with much weaker squads. The only thing Ole has done better is keeping the players happy but there are other coaches out there who'd be able to do that as well as actually being able to win things. And I cannot see the players staying happy for that much longer if we don't win anything.
Point 2 just invites cherry picking. You can cite consecutive top 4 finishes while conveniently ignoring the trophies drying up. You can point to the improvement in the quality of the squad while conveniently ignoring that we are achieving much the same points totals and league finishes as his predecessors while no longer winning trophies and the fact that you'd expect improvements in the quality of the squad when a manager is given over £400 million to spend. You can use your starting point as 6th place or wherever we were when Jose got sacked conveniently ignoring the 2nd place finish and League Cup and Europa Cup trophies he achieved in preceding seasons and the inevitability that results would improve when a new manager is hired after players downed tools for the previous manager.
Point 3 is refuted by the success Liverpool and Chelsea have achieved since bringing in Klopp and Tuchel. It seems to rest heavily on the perceived failures of LVG and Jose who came to us with great CVs and track records and did not work out. But they weren't great fits and were hired because there weren't more suitable alternatives available at the time. Zidane would be a good fit and is clearly a far superior alternative to Ole. And I'd even take Conte over Ole. At least he knows how to win things.
Point 4 is loser talk. Give him more time and we risk extending our trophy drought and then if we do eventually lose patience there might not be any suitable replacements on the market. By most big clubs standards Ole failed last season and the price of failure should be the sack not a 3 year contract especially when managers like Zidane are available.
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Post by Rustin Cohle on Aug 23, 2021 11:45:50 GMT
3 years and Ole's in game management is still utterly and completely woeful. How can this not improve in 3 whole years? We still sit around waiting for his changes when not winning a game, knowing he'll make the 3 subs in the 75th, 83rd and 89th minutes. How many times has this worked for him? How the fuck has he not got it into his thick head yet when it's 55 - 60 minutes on the clock, nothing is happening for us on the pitch, we're behind or drawing and he's still sitting there, gormlessly grinning and thinking "just keep waiting". At which point does the light switch on for him? How can he not think "Actually, hold on. We've been here before; me waiting until the death before finally changing something. And from memory, it keeps not working. Could I............... change something now???" He is easily at Moyes level for his substitutions. This is it for me. It's one thing to make a mistake in the starting lineup - all managers do that (even if this one was blindingly obvious before a ball was kicked). But the real issue is the complete inability to spot and rectify the mistake. Fred and Matic were the midfield pairing for 75 minutes yesterday. How? It was criminal it wasn't fixed at half time, and they only got worse in the second half. |
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Post by Rustin Cohle on Aug 23, 2021 11:47:50 GMT
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Post by Karma on Aug 23, 2021 13:22:25 GMT
He confirmed his ineptitude at this level on subs alone.
He has no plan B and clearly scared to make changes outside of his plan A.
His plan A is heavily dependent on certain players to do something in games.
His subs are downright odd.
McTominay for Fred yesterday when we’re trying to win the game or at least I think that was the plan.
Keeping Fred on in the CL when everyone else could see he was a walking red card.
He brought Matic on last season when we were losing to Arsenal.
There are others I’ll have forgotten.
It’s bizarre how an ex super sub is so shit at making them himself.
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Post by bushy1987 on Aug 23, 2021 18:58:14 GMT
Been on holiday this week in cornwall so missed the game, but I was checking the score, honestly just end the season now,.I can't take another year looking at ole's face sat on his fucking hands not having a clue what to do, Sancho on the fucking bench, and then fucking lingard on as a sub to change the game, honestly just fuck off,
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