vs Young Boys Champions League (A) 14/09/2021 17:45 KO

[viking22]

Ronaldo needs to liaise with the ex-players and Sir Alex who persuaded him to re-join us and say to them "Look guys I've won pretty much everything there is to win as a player have almost 20 years of experience and trained under Sir Alex, Zidane, Mourinho, Ancelotti, Pellegrini, Benitez and Allegri. So I can tell you with confidence that Ole is clueless and we aren't going to win the league with him in charge".

[bushy1987]

If anything last night must have been the final nial in the coffin for people who still said give him time/the project ect, lingards pass was dreadfull, but his subs and tactics is what cost us that game last night, all he had to do was take Donny of for dalot and keep everything else the same, or just go for a flat three at the back, this was 10 men against young boys not Bayern.

[johnboy14]

Sept 15, 2021 7:37:27 GMT redcase said:

Only Scholes and Rio among ex-players doing the bare minimum of acknowledging the tactical paucity at this club, stemming from the helm.

Red Nev can fucking do one. On TV more than the rest but he's another fucking coward when it comes to his mate.

Ole and Gary are mates. Getting an honest opinion from him about Ole is impossible. Lingards mistake done Ole a favour because he could talk about him coming back from such a mistake instead of facing questions about his own tactical choices.

[Reduntildeath]

FYI.
The ‘manager’ is the one in the lounge suit!

[johnboy14]

Sept 15, 2021 11:45:29 GMT Reduntildeath said:

FYI.
The ‘manager’ is the one in the lounge suit!

Were they not moaning to the referee about a tackle they think should have been another yellow in this shot?

[Paul]

Sept 15, 2021 11:45:29 GMT Reduntildeath said:

FYI.
The ‘manager’ is the one in the lounge suit!

Tbf Ronaldo did this against France in the Euro final. Tbis isn't defending Ole or anything, just its nothing new to see from these two players.

Edit - also this was Bruno and Ronaldo shouting at the ref for a yellow so goes to show the lengths some people will do to suit an agenda.

[Paul]

One thing over the last 4 games that's clear is we're massively missing McTominay in the middle. Not signing another mid may bite us on the arse.

[viking22]

Yeah should have signed trippier and neves this summer and sold Lingard and loaned out Donny. Still it shouldn’t take a loss at young boys to remind us of that.

Barca has some Koeman out banners after they lost 3-0 to a very good Bayern team and after Koeman through no fault of his own lost one of the GOATs.
We got Ole his very own GOAT and he couldn’t even beat young boys but the average fan seems totally cool with it

[redcase]

Sept 15, 2021 13:12:59 GMT viking22 said:

Yeah should have signed trippier and neves this summer and sold Lingard and loaned out Donny. Still it shouldn’t take a loss at young boys to remind us of that.

Barca has some Koeman out banners after they lost 3-0 to a very good Bayern team and after Koeman through no fault of his own lost one of the GOATs.
We got Ole his very own GOAT and he couldn’t even beat young boys but the average fan seems totally cool with it

This sentence alone out of context makes for hilarious reading.

[Rustin Cohle]

www.football365.com/news/f365-early-loser-ole-gunnar-solskjaer-going-full-pe-teacher-manchester-united-berne

Ole Gunnar Solskjaer going full PE teacher

SPOILER: Click to show

‘FOR many, the jury is still out on Ole Gunnar Solskjaer. It must be the longest trial of any top-flight manager in history,’ were the opening words to a Neil Custis column in The Sun that urged us to consider the Norwegian’s ‘body of work’, which at that juncture consisted of finishing 30, 33 and then 12 points behind the Premier League champions and reaching several semi-finals and a Europa League final. We cynically laughed, wondering how any jury could ever return a verdict of ‘elite manager’ without any compelling evidence. On Tuesday night, the jury were put in a hotel room for the duration of a lengthy trial that turned dramatically in favour of the prosecution.

If this is to be the season when Solskjaer proves that the PE teacher moniker is cruel and outdated, he will have to perform far, far better than in Berne, where pretty much every decision he made was poor. As soon as Manchester United were reduced to ten men by the sending-off of Aaron Wan-Bissaka, Solskjaer acted like a manager in charge of underdogs trying to keep down the score. It was more Molde than Manchester United. If taking off Jadon Sancho to bring on Diogo Dalot was understandable (though Bruno Fernandes was the more obvious but clearly unthinkable sacrifice), taking off Donny van de Beek at half-time was suicidal. It was coaching by numbers and the numbers suggest that bringing on more defenders to protect a lead almost never works. It simply creates panic and disorganisation.

United quickly became a back eight and there are few teams talented and astute enough to reach the Champions League group stages who could not have taken advantage. It was all slashed clearances and thrown heads, with Cristiano Ronaldo left alone to do little else but appeal for non-existent free-kicks. United were never going to hold on to 1-0 for 45 minutes because this was not Chelsea defending with ten men against Liverpool; it was pretty much the exact opposite. Nobody on that pitch wearing blue looked like they had planned for this eventuality. Nobody on that pitch wearing blue had any semblance of control. Nobody on that pitch wearing blue had a single shot after being reduced to ten men. And this was against Young Boys of Berne, not the old boys of PSG or Bayern Munich.

As soon as United retreated so drastically, it was a matter of when and not if the home side would score. It was Raphael Varane who was at least partly culpable for Moumi Ngamaleu’s equaliser, but in truth, any one of United’s defenders could have made that mistake; they all looked shambolic and ill-prepared. Minutes later, Solskjaer made another pair of substitutions that left Jesse Lingard as the lone striker. Oddly enough, United looked no better for this development. It was messy and it was ugly, no matter how much the BT commentary team attempted to paint a looming point as just reward for their hard work. It should never have been such hard work.

There was still time for one more bizarre decision, with workaholic Fred given a few minutes’ rest as Anthony Martial was introduced. Lingard dropped into central midfield and promptly passed the ball to Jordan Siebatcheu, who finished confidently to give the Swiss side a richly deserved victory. United had been undone by individual errors but individual errors were given acres of space to breed by some truly rotten decision-making. Elite sides should not go down to ten men against inferior opposition and put eight men behind the ball.

Solskjaer has now lost seven of the 11 Champions League games he has managed at Manchester United. Until he proves otherwise, the suspicion persists that United spending more than any other Premier League club since 2018 has only lifted the floor of what they can achieve; the ceiling remains fixed pretty low thanks to their manager.

[kstandhand]

Sept 15, 2021 13:03:00 GMT Paul said:

One thing over the last 4 games that's clear is we're massively missing McTominay in the middle. Not signing another mid may bite us on the arse.

But we seem to constantly talk about the need for signings,to cover the managers short comings & at some point people have to accept that he is just not up to the fucking job.


We could have signed another 5 players,that won't change OGS.

[kstandhand]

4 sides were reduced to 10 men last night,the only side to lose were arguably playing the weakest opponents.

[alt]

Sept 15, 2021 14:23:14 GMT Rustin Cohle said:

www.football365.com/news/f365-early-loser-ole-gunnar-solskjaer-going-full-pe-teacher-manchester-united-berne

Ole Gunnar Solskjaer going full PE teacher

SPOILER: Click to show

‘FOR many, the jury is still out on Ole Gunnar Solskjaer. It must be the longest trial of any top-flight manager in history,’ were the opening words to a Neil Custis column in The Sun that urged us to consider the Norwegian’s ‘body of work’, which at that juncture consisted of finishing 30, 33 and then 12 points behind the Premier League champions and reaching several semi-finals and a Europa League final. We cynically laughed, wondering how any jury could ever return a verdict of ‘elite manager’ without any compelling evidence. On Tuesday night, the jury were put in a hotel room for the duration of a lengthy trial that turned dramatically in favour of the prosecution.

If this is to be the season when Solskjaer proves that the PE teacher moniker is cruel and outdated, he will have to perform far, far better than in Berne, where pretty much every decision he made was poor. As soon as Manchester United were reduced to ten men by the sending-off of Aaron Wan-Bissaka, Solskjaer acted like a manager in charge of underdogs trying to keep down the score. It was more Molde than Manchester United. If taking off Jadon Sancho to bring on Diogo Dalot was understandable (though Bruno Fernandes was the more obvious but clearly unthinkable sacrifice), taking off Donny van de Beek at half-time was suicidal. It was coaching by numbers and the numbers suggest that bringing on more defenders to protect a lead almost never works. It simply creates panic and disorganisation.

United quickly became a back eight and there are few teams talented and astute enough to reach the Champions League group stages who could not have taken advantage. It was all slashed clearances and thrown heads, with Cristiano Ronaldo left alone to do little else but appeal for non-existent free-kicks. United were never going to hold on to 1-0 for 45 minutes because this was not Chelsea defending with ten men against Liverpool; it was pretty much the exact opposite. Nobody on that pitch wearing blue looked like they had planned for this eventuality. Nobody on that pitch wearing blue had any semblance of control. Nobody on that pitch wearing blue had a single shot after being reduced to ten men. And this was against Young Boys of Berne, not the old boys of PSG or Bayern Munich.

As soon as United retreated so drastically, it was a matter of when and not if the home side would score. It was Raphael Varane who was at least partly culpable for Moumi Ngamaleu’s equaliser, but in truth, any one of United’s defenders could have made that mistake; they all looked shambolic and ill-prepared. Minutes later, Solskjaer made another pair of substitutions that left Jesse Lingard as the lone striker. Oddly enough, United looked no better for this development. It was messy and it was ugly, no matter how much the BT commentary team attempted to paint a looming point as just reward for their hard work. It should never have been such hard work.

There was still time for one more bizarre decision, with workaholic Fred given a few minutes’ rest as Anthony Martial was introduced. Lingard dropped into central midfield and promptly passed the ball to Jordan Siebatcheu, who finished confidently to give the Swiss side a richly deserved victory. United had been undone by individual errors but individual errors were given acres of space to breed by some truly rotten decision-making. Elite sides should not go down to ten men against inferior opposition and put eight men behind the ball.

Solskjaer has now lost seven of the 11 Champions League games he has managed at Manchester United. Until he proves otherwise, the suspicion persists that United spending more than any other Premier League club since 2018 has only lifted the floor of what they can achieve; the ceiling remains fixed pretty low thanks to their manager.

So damning. How anyone can read that and still back him is beyond me.

[Stretty]

Sept 15, 2021 14:51:00 GMT alt said:

Sept 15, 2021 14:23:14 GMT Rustin Cohle said:

www.football365.com/news/f365-early-loser-ole-gunnar-solskjaer-going-full-pe-teacher-manchester-united-berne

So damning. How anyone can read that and still back him is beyond me.

because he scored that goal in 99

[Paul]

Sept 15, 2021 14:24:49 GMT kstandhand said:

Sept 15, 2021 13:03:00 GMT Paul said:

One thing over the last 4 games that's clear is we're massively missing McTominay in the middle. Not signing another mid may bite us on the arse.

But we seem to constantly talk about the need for signings,to cover the managers short comings & at some point people have to accept that he is just not up to the fucking job.


We could have signed another 5 players,that won't change OGS.

Tbh I'm not Ole in or Ole out. It's a tiresome argument. I can see reasonable arguments for both sides. I'm certainly not going to judge him after the first 5 games of the season. We've not found our stride yet which is frustrating especially with how well we played against Leeds.

See how we fare further into the season. After 4 games we're top of the league having not played particularly well (which is an improvement on how we started last season) so for now I'll grin and bare it but shit does need to improve.

Also these players need to take a bit of the heat aswell.