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Post by Stew on Sept 15, 2021 16:14:26 GMT
7 losses out of 11 Champions League games is a dreadful stat. I was going to say Moyes levels but that’s actually unfair to that Scottish tool.
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Post by Paul on Sept 15, 2021 16:39:36 GMT
7 losses out of 11 Champions League games is a dreadful stat. I was going to say Moyes levels but that’s actually unfair to that Scottish tool. Can't argue there. It's a ridiculous record. One that needs to be addressed quickly. |
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Post by kstandhand on Sept 16, 2021 6:06:47 GMT
Conte seems to be building up a bit of smoke.
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Post by Karma on Sept 16, 2021 8:28:13 GMT
Conte seems to be building up a bit of smoke. Let’s hope it’s white smoke coming out of Glazer Towers then with a good decision. |
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Post by Bestie on Sept 16, 2021 8:35:35 GMT
7 losses out of 11 Champions League games is a dreadful stat. I was going to say Moyes levels but that’s actually unfair to that Scottish tool. Can't argue there. It's a ridiculous record. One that needs to be addressed quickly. So what you're saying is we should sack the manager immediately. |
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Post by Bestie on Sept 16, 2021 8:35:52 GMT
Conte seems to be building up a bit of smoke. Don't do it to yourself. |
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Post by viking22 on Sept 16, 2021 11:38:03 GMT
It is just media speculation. Ole won't get such an easy ride in the press. Now that Ronaldo has joined us we will be expected to win practically every game and be among the favourites for every competition. So every embarassing defeat will fuel speculation of Ole getting sacked.
But inside the club the Glazers just care about PR. Far better for them to keep Ole around as the fall guy for when we fail to win anything but still meet our financial objectives by finishing top 4. And keeping Ole also allows them to preserve the myth they care about our heritage/DNA/culture and we are different from the other clubs that hire and fire managers at will. Of course the only reason anyone gives a fuck about our heritage/DNA/culture is because in the past it produced a truckload of trophies. And that truckload of trophies owed a great deal to having world class managers like Busby and SAF. And even under our inferior managers we were usually at least a cup team. Ole has had more than his fair chance and has won absolutely nothing. Over the same time period Liverpool have won the title and the Premier League. City have won the title multiple times and reached the Champions League final. Chelsea have won the Champions League. Even Tottenham reached the Champions League final.
Obviously the Glazers are a bit sensitive because it is Ole and not someone like Jose that the fans love to hate. But the way I see it another European fuck up that makes it unlikely we get out of the group should be a trigger for the sack. We swooped for Ronaldo because we couldn't face the embarassment of him lining up for Manchester City every week. But it is equally embarassing for a team featuring Ronaldo, Bruno, Varane, Pogba, De Gea, Shaw and all our other world class players to be featuring in the Europa League. Especially when English clubs have dominated the competition in recent years.
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Post by Karma on Sept 16, 2021 12:23:15 GMT
It is just media speculation. Ole won't get such an easy ride in the press. Now that Ronaldo has joined us we will be expected to win practically every game and be among the favourites for every competition. So every embarassing defeat will fuel speculation of Ole getting sacked. But inside the club the Glazers just care about PR. Far better for them to keep Ole around as the fall guy for when we fail to win anything but still meet our financial objectives by finishing top 4. And keeping Ole also allows them to preserve the myth they care about our heritage/DNA/culture and we are different from the other clubs that hire and fire managers at will. Of course the only reason anyone gives a fuck about our heritage/DNA/culture is because in the past it produced a truckload of trophies. And that truckload of trophies owed a great deal to having world class managers like Busby and SAF. And even under our inferior managers we were usually at least a cup team. Ole has had more than his fair chance and has won absolutely nothing. Over the same time period Liverpool have won the title and the Premier League. City have won the title multiple times and reached the Champions League final. Chelsea have won the Champions League. Even Tottenham reached the Champions League final. Obviously the Glazers are a bit sensitive because it is Ole and not someone like Jose that the fans love to hate. But the way I see it another European fuck up that makes it unlikely we get out of the group should be a trigger for the sack. We swooped for Ronaldo because we couldn't face the embarassment of him lining up for Manchester City every week. But it is equally embarassing for a team featuring Ronaldo, Bruno, Varane, Pogba, De Gea, Shaw and all our other world class players to be featuring in the Europa League. Especially when English clubs have dominated the competition in recent years. While his expensively assembled squad continues to get CL football the only other way out is dressing room revolt. |
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Post by viking22 on Sept 16, 2021 12:41:24 GMT
Yep. Problem is the other dressing room revolts only worked because the players downed tools and it looked like we would drop out of the top 4. Players like Ronaldo, Bruno, Varane and so on have too much professional pride to do that. But I fear if they talk to Woodward/Arnold or even the Glazers and tell them Ole is not the man to win us trophies they will just get fobbed off. Sadly that is the difference between us and Chelsea. Roman for all his faults is addicted to winning and has a direct line of communication with senior players and was quick to end the Lampard experiment as a result.
But I think come end of the season if we haven't won anything Glazers will probably pull the trigger. Media are no longer giving us an easy ride and Ole's continued failings will generate a lot of bad publicity which the Glazers are sensitive about and their spin about progress, cultural rebuild etc no longer works as everyone expects us to win trophies now. It will be too late and this season will be another wasted opportunity and I fear Zidane and Conte may no longer be on the market. But sadly that is the way this club is run and we will never get the calibre of manager we deserve.
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Post by Paul on Sept 16, 2021 13:45:19 GMT
Can't argue there. It's a ridiculous record. One that needs to be addressed quickly. So what you're saying is we should sack the manager immediately. See what the group looks like after the 6 games but if we don't get out of this group then something has to give, I just don't see them sacking him this season. I'm trying to focus on the positives for now and see how this season fares. If it's not an improvement on last season then a change of manager (again) may be the only option going forwards. |
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Post by ratbag on Sept 16, 2021 14:13:40 GMT
So what you're saying is we should sack the manager immediately. See what the group looks like after the 6 games but if we don't get out of this group then something has to give, I just don't see them sacking him this season. I'm trying to focus on the positives for now and see how this season fares. If it's not an improvement on last season then a change of manager (again) may be the only option going forwards. To be honest, I am just trying to find the positives... |
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Post by Tatty on Sept 16, 2021 15:15:15 GMT
So what you're saying is we should sack the manager immediately. See what the group looks like after the 6 games but if we don't get out of this group then something has to give, I just don't see them sacking him this season. I'm trying to focus on the positives for now and see how this season fares. If it's not an improvement on last season then a change of manager (again) may be the only option going forwards. Don't forget, there's no dropping into Europa this season, should we fail yet again at the Group Stage. A change is needed now. Whether it's a Queiroz type appointment to be the tactician to Ole's vibes or a whole new backroom team. |
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Post by Paul on Sept 16, 2021 15:33:20 GMT
See what the group looks like after the 6 games but if we don't get out of this group then something has to give, I just don't see them sacking him this season. I'm trying to focus on the positives for now and see how this season fares. If it's not an improvement on last season then a change of manager (again) may be the only option going forwards. Don't forget, there's no dropping into Europa this season, should we fail yet again at the Group Stage. A change is needed now. Whether it's a Queiroz type appointment to be the tactician to Ole's vibes or a whole new backroom team. Really? Didn't realise that was the case with the CL this season. Not that I want Europa anyway. I'd definitely say he needs somebody alongside him to help tactically, that's where he's lacking. Can't see them sacking him so bring someone in to help. Might be the best way forward. |
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Post by Paul on Sept 16, 2021 15:42:18 GMT
See what the group looks like after the 6 games but if we don't get out of this group then something has to give, I just don't see them sacking him this season. I'm trying to focus on the positives for now and see how this season fares. If it's not an improvement on last season then a change of manager (again) may be the only option going forwards. To be honest, I am just trying to find the positives... Not so much by the performances because there's little to be positive about. But we've managed to drop only 2 points so far in doing that, which is an improvement on the start of last season. Need to find our stride and get out of first gear quickly though. Players also need to pull their fingers out, its not all on the management. |
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Post by Stretty on Sept 16, 2021 16:08:44 GMT
Don't forget, there's no dropping into Europa this season, should we fail yet again at the Group Stage. A change is needed now. Whether it's a Queiroz type appointment to be the tactician to Ole's vibes or a whole new backroom team. Really? Didn't realise that was the case with the CL this season. Not that I want Europa anyway. I'd definitely say he needs somebody alongside him to help tactically, that's where he's lacking. Can't see them sacking him so bring someone in to help. Might be the best way forward. if he needs that he shouldn’t be in the dugout. |
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