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Post by mightyez on Oct 2, 2022 17:16:46 GMT
look on the bright side, Tony is back and hopefully just hopefully he stays fit.
Sancho i have to say is a massive disappointment
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Post by juanveron on Oct 2, 2022 17:23:28 GMT
6:3 is an ugly score line, but I thought it was going to be so much worse at half time.
I think City is going to win the league in March this year. Haaland.. why couldn’t Bayern or Madrid sign him?
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Post by seanie on Oct 2, 2022 17:24:10 GMT
We have to move on from Ole Ball. I can understand, why he has reverted to sitting and breaking after that absolute shit show start, but that was as bad as anything from last year.
It worked against Arsenal and Liverpool, but it's a one trick tactic. It suits Rashford, but if he can't develop or adapt to more than that he also needs to move on
The Antony goal against Arsenal was absolute class, with many passes and started from the back, so we can play like that.
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Post by GeniusCantona on Oct 2, 2022 17:52:22 GMT
6:3 is an ugly score line, but I thought it was going to be so much worse at half time. I think City is going to win the league in March this year. Haaland.. why couldn’t Bayern or Madrid sign him? He’ll eventually go to Spain but in the meantime he will torment us for at least 3 more years. |
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Post by viking22 on Oct 2, 2022 18:09:30 GMT
I think it is just a case of misplaced loyalty by Erik. He's all about trying to instate a team dynamic where status and reputation does not count for anything. I assume he stuck with Scotty and Eriksen and Rashford because they've had some good games against Liverpool and Arsenal etc. But it was naive. We needed the steel Casemiro would have provided in midfield and at least with Ronaldo on our attack would have had a bit of a focal point.
It was a useful wake up call. Scotty and Eriksen aren't a world class central midfield even if they've been a useful stop gap so far this season. Bruno went missing the way he usually does when the going gets tough and an extra man in midfield would have been more useful. Dalot and Malacia may be OK getting forward but they really struggled defensively against Grealish and Foden. Malacia will improve but we do need a better quality RB and we need Shaw to get back to his best so that Malacia has more time to develop. Unfair to be too harsh on our attack given the lack of service but Sancho was incredibly wasteful and Rashford looked completely lost upfront and Antony goal aside did nothing. Varane and Martinez had a tough job as our midfield was completely overrun but could have done better.
Erik also got the tactics completely wrong. Against a team as good as City you cannot hope to make a game of it to some extent you need some negative tactics to try and neutralize their attacking threat and make things difficult for them. But of course he was probably expecting us to show a bit more composure in possession and stick to the game plan instead of going to pieces the way we are wont to do.
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Post by Stew on Oct 2, 2022 18:44:10 GMT
Didn't mean lightweight in the sense of being slight of frame. But he's been repurposed as a CM for his playmaking skills because we missed out on Frenkie. That has worked pretty well so far and I'd be OK with that against City if Casemiro was fully up to speed and ready to anchor our midfield. But good as Scotty has been so far City are a level above Liverpool and Arsenal. BTW, you were proven totally correct in this. Eriksen was completely by-passed today. |
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Post by Kojak on Oct 2, 2022 18:44:43 GMT
I think it is just a case of misplaced loyalty by Erik. He's all about trying to instate a team dynamic where status and reputation does not count for anything. I assume he stuck with Scotty and Eriksen and Rashford because they've had some good games against Liverpool and Arsenal etc. But it was naive. We needed the steel Casemiro would have provided in midfield and at least with Ronaldo on our attack would have had a bit of a focal point. It was a useful wake up call. Scotty and Eriksen aren't a world class central midfield even if they've been a useful stop gap so far this season. Bruno went missing the way he usually does when the going gets tough and an extra man in midfield would have been more useful. Dalot and Malacia may be OK getting forward but they really struggled defensively against Grealish and Foden. Malacia will improve but we do need a better quality RB and we need Shaw to get back to his best so that Malacia has more time to develop. Unfair to be too harsh on our attack given the lack of service but Sancho was incredibly wasteful and Rashford looked completely lost upfront and Antony goal aside did nothing. Varane and Martinez had a tough job as our midfield was completely overrun but could have done better. Erik also got the tactics completely wrong. Against a team as good as City you cannot hope to make a game of it to some extent you need some negative tactics to try and neutralize their attacking threat and make things difficult for them. But of course he was probably expecting us to show a bit more composure in possession and stick to the game plan instead of going to pieces the way we are wont to do. You lost me as soon as you included Eriksen along with those other two. |
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Post by Karma on Oct 2, 2022 18:46:25 GMT
I think it is just a case of misplaced loyalty by Erik. He's all about trying to instate a team dynamic where status and reputation does not count for anything. I assume he stuck with Scotty and Eriksen and Rashford because they've had some good games against Liverpool and Arsenal etc. But it was naive. We needed the steel Casemiro would have provided in midfield and at least with Ronaldo on our attack would have had a bit of a focal point. It was a useful wake up call. Scotty and Eriksen aren't a world class central midfield even if they've been a useful stop gap so far this season. Bruno went missing the way he usually does when the going gets tough and an extra man in midfield would have been more useful. Dalot and Malacia may be OK getting forward but they really struggled defensively against Grealish and Foden. Malacia will improve but we do need a better quality RB and we need Shaw to get back to his best so that Malacia has more time to develop. Unfair to be too harsh on our attack given the lack of service but Sancho was incredibly wasteful and Rashford looked completely lost upfront and Antony goal aside did nothing. Varane and Martinez had a tough job as our midfield was completely overrun but could have done better. Erik also got the tactics completely wrong. Against a team as good as City you cannot hope to make a game of it to some extent you need some negative tactics to try and neutralize their attacking threat and make things difficult for them. But of course he was probably expecting us to show a bit more composure in possession and stick to the game plan instead of going to pieces the way we are wont to do. Erickson has been decent. Don’t lump McTominay in with him. |
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Post by Karma on Oct 2, 2022 18:51:06 GMT
I don’t understand why we bought Donny or Casemiro just to keep them on the bench . I can argue for Casemiro as he's world class, sadly McTominay has been decent but today is a lesson to change that. Donny just hasn't offered anything. Sell him and Maguire and sign a decent fucking centre forward, Toney being one option. It was evident that TH needs a few windows to sort this shit out, only morons will call for him at this point. If he sits on his hands and refuses to make subs at the right time like he did today then it’s cheerio from me. It’s basic tactical nouse. |
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Post by viking22 on Oct 2, 2022 18:56:04 GMT
Didn't mean to be unfair to Eriksen. But he is a world class CAM not a world class CM. He's done a good stop gap job a a midfield playmaker because we didn't sign Frenkie and we wanted to play him and Bruno in the same team. But he got found out in a CM role against Manchester City and he isn't the long term solution in central midfield.
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Post by mightyez on Oct 2, 2022 18:56:48 GMT
Can anyone that is sober pls explain ETH’s comments on Ronaldo
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Post by Kojak on Oct 2, 2022 19:04:04 GMT
I think with Eriksen, you just find a way to fit a player of that quality into your side. Him being ineffective is more down to who is alongside him. City are a passing side themselves, so you don’t have to worry about him being clattered or anything. It’s facilitating him to be able to play.
If I’m being rational, they’re so far ahead of us in terms of their system. We can’t match them. We want to be able to play that style of football, but we’re not there yet both in terms of personnel and time spent coaching them. They’re an outstanding side who have been playing this way for the better part of a decade. That doesn’t necessarily mean they should be sticking six past us, but we had to be top notch to get anything out of that game and we were really poor first half.
Hard to be rational though when you’ve been thumped by them cheating bastards.
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Post by johnboy14 on Oct 2, 2022 19:10:40 GMT
Didn't mean to be unfair to Eriksen. But he is a world class CAM not a world class CM. He's done a good stop gap job a a midfield playmaker because we didn't sign Frenkie and we wanted to play him and Bruno in the same team. But he got found out in a CM role against Manchester City and he isn't the long term solution in central midfield. That position has been vacant at utd since Scholes and Carrick retired. It's very difficult to understand why we can't understand what qualities are important to play centrally |
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Post by Paul on Oct 2, 2022 19:21:38 GMT
I can argue for Casemiro as he's world class, sadly McTominay has been decent but today is a lesson to change that. Donny just hasn't offered anything. Sell him and Maguire and sign a decent fucking centre forward, Toney being one option. It was evident that TH needs a few windows to sort this shit out, only morons will call for him at this point. If he sits on his hands and refuses to make subs at the right time like he did today then it’s cheerio from me. It’s basic tactical nouse. Get what you're saying, there are areas to work on, manager and player. It was never going to be solved in one window. But those calling for him to be sacked now are fucking idiots. Fucking flip flop bellends. |
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Post by viking22 on Oct 2, 2022 20:02:59 GMT
Erik got the tactics and team selection wrong. That is for sure. But while it hurts like hell to get stuffed by City even if we also lose the reverse fixture it won't be season defining. We've won 2 out of 3 big games this season which is a huge improvement on Ole's record.
Obviously it is early days as well. He's only had one transfer window. Casemiro isn't integrated into the squad. Ronaldo missed pre-season and has been frozen out. Malacia and Martinez and Antony are in their first season in the Premier League coming from the Dutch League. We are still using Ole-ball because it will take time (and probably a few more new additions) for Erik to get us passing and pressing effectively.
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