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Post by johnboy14 on Oct 16, 2022 20:47:17 GMT
We need Eriksen to stay fit or we're fucked. Simple as that. Without him we're a mess. The lack of awareness around these players is astounding at this level. Half of these players jave little to no fight whatsoever. Just half arsing it to collect their pay cheque. I've made excuses for Bruno and Fred for long enough but there's only so much you can defend a player. Neither one is doing near enough. My only criticism of TH is using 1 change. We needed to change it up a bit towards the end. Probably why Ten Hag was obsessed with getting FDJ at the start of the season. That's clear as mud but was he the only option in central midfield? |
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Post by Karma on Oct 16, 2022 21:19:54 GMT
Think of this as a positive.
No CL next season, again.
They can’t afford to keep sacking managers.
We’re obviously robbing Peter to pay Paul now.
The Glazers will be on the ropes even with fans refusing to stay away.
Lovely Jublley.
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Post by viking22 on Oct 16, 2022 22:13:12 GMT
Annoying that Ralf was right about almost everything (aside from his blind spot for Maguire). Even when Ronaldo was scoring regularly for us he was insistent on us buying a striker in January after Mason got arrested. Well Erik knew that Ronaldo was unsettled and instead of spending big on a recognized CF decided to blow 100m euros on Antony because he figured even if Ronaldo couldn't integrate effectively into his team he'd still have Rashford and Martial as CF options.
I really do not know what is wrong with this club. Since we sold Lukaku we've spent almost £200m on wingers (Antony, Sancho, Amad, Pellestri) and only £20m on strikers (if you count Ighalo's loan fee).
I get that Erik believes Antony is destined for greatness (not really seeing it myself so far) but starting the season with only Ronaldo, Martial and Rashford as our CF options was a massive gamble.
Midfield we would be OK if Donny had a better pre-season and kicked on under Erik. But as Donny has now failed under 3 successive managers time to cut our losses and see if we can include him in a swap deal for Tielemans in January. That is the low budget option as I cannot imagine Murtough sanctioning £70m for Frenkie in January and word is he'd rather we wait until the summer and try to sign Bellingham (which is never going to happen). That being the case I think Erik needs to give Iqbal more game time and use him to keep Eriksen fresh.
But realistically we aren't going to spend big in January. Murtough has already as much as said we overspent in the summer and are ahead of schedule and are looking forward to next summer. That being the case Manchester City, Arsenal, Liverpool, Chelsea and Tottenham will all finish ahead of us.
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Post by alwaysUnited on Oct 17, 2022 4:38:18 GMT
Probably why Ten Hag was obsessed with getting FDJ at the start of the season. That's clear as mud but was he the only option in central midfield? Agree , but may be he expected to play Donny there ? Not sure what was he thinking to be hones |
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Post by Stretty on Oct 17, 2022 5:31:38 GMT
Annoying that Ralf was right about almost everything (aside from his blind spot for Maguire). Even when Ronaldo was scoring regularly for us he was insistent on us buying a striker in January after Mason got arrested. Well Erik knew that Ronaldo was unsettled and instead of spending big on a recognized CF decided to blow 100m euros on Antony because he figured even if Ronaldo couldn't integrate effectively into his team he'd still have Rashford and Martial as CF options. I really do not know what is wrong with this club. Since we sold Lukaku we've spent almost £200m on wingers (Antony, Sancho, Amad, Pellestri) and only £20m on strikers (if you count Ighalo's loan fee). I get that Erik believes Antony is destined for greatness (not really seeing it myself so far) but starting the season with only Ronaldo, Martial and Rashford as our CF options was a massive gamble. Midfield we would be OK if Donny had a better pre-season and kicked on under Erik. But as Donny has now failed under 3 successive managers time to cut our losses and see if we can include him in a swap deal for Tielemans in January. That is the low budget option as I cannot imagine Murtough sanctioning £70m for Frenkie in January and word is he'd rather we wait until the summer and try to sign Bellingham (which is never going to happen). That being the case I think Erik needs to give Iqbal more game time and use him to keep Eriksen fresh. But realistically we aren't going to spend big in January. Murtough has already as much as said we overspent in the summer and are ahead of schedule and are looking forward to next summer. That being the case Manchester City, Arsenal, Liverpool, Chelsea and Tottenham will all finish ahead of us. can we not just forget about him and move on to other targets as it’s clear as night and day that he does not want to leave Barcelona. I totally agree about Antony, even though he’s a good player with loads of potential plus he desperately wanted to come here we have probably paid double what we should have for him.(that 50 million could have been used to improve our striking options). it’s not the amount of money we are spending but it’s how we spend it that’s the problem. |
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Post by mightyez on Oct 17, 2022 7:09:11 GMT
When the leeches make funds available it is absolutely imperative we spend wisely.
This is something we just fail to do year after year.
Our desperate behaviour in the market has absolutely everyone laughing.
I think Antony is a good player and will show his quality but we should have told Ajax to do one, wait a year and get him.
The money would have bought 2 players (Tielemans and Gakpo).
Any competence from Murtough would have seen more departures and a RB added
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Post by Stew on Oct 17, 2022 7:29:35 GMT
After Fred’s diabolical displays over the last 4 days, Tielemans should be signed the minute the window opens.
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Post by Stretty on Oct 17, 2022 7:53:20 GMT
When the leeches make funds available it is absolutely imperative we spend wisely. This is something we just fail to do year after year. Our desperate behaviour in the market has absolutely everyone laughing. I think Antony is a good player and will show his quality but we should have told Ajax to do one, wait a year and get him. The money would have bought 2 players (Tielemans and Gakpo). Any competence from Murtough would have seen more departures and a RB added Just a few players off the top of my head where i think we've overpaid. (The roughly reported transfer fees). Antony 100 Casemiro 70(due to his age) Sancho 70 Maguire 90 Pogba 80 AWB 50 Total 460 million I'd say everyone on the list above is about double what we should have paid for each player (probably quadruple in Maguire's case) Just for arguments sake let's not half it but just knock 200 million off. 200 million spent wisely could get 4 players that would walk into our team (RB,CB,CF plus 1 other). TBF all clubs can overpay or bag a bargain, but we seem to be in the overpay category far too often. Edit: i forgot to add fred to that list. |
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Post by mightyez on Oct 17, 2022 8:43:10 GMT
When the leeches make funds available it is absolutely imperative we spend wisely. This is something we just fail to do year after year. Our desperate behaviour in the market has absolutely everyone laughing. I think Antony is a good player and will show his quality but we should have told Ajax to do one, wait a year and get him. The money would have bought 2 players (Tielemans and Gakpo). Any competence from Murtough would have seen more departures and a RB added Just a few players off the top of my head where i think we've overpaid. (The roughly reported transfer fees). Antony 100 Casemiro 70(due to his age) Sancho 70 Maguire 90 Pogba 80 AWB 50 Total 460 million I'd say everyone on the list above is about double what we should have paid for each player (probably quadruple in Maguire's case) Just for arguments sake let's not half it but just knock 200 million off. 200 million spent wisely could get 4 players that would walk into our team (RB,CB,CF plus 1 other).TBF all clubs can overpay or bag a bargain, but we seem to be in the overpay category far too often. Edit: i forgot to add fred to that list. 100% that, we just lack any real market competency. We have to shake off this Manchester United tax stuff and start getting shrewd. There was never any need to throw £50 million at Fred, £90 million on Maguire and so much on Antony. Pogba I would say at the time i thought we were gonna get a top top player and same with Sancho but thus far for various reasons we are yet to see much in those deals. |
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Post by Karma on Oct 17, 2022 8:58:19 GMT
Annoying that Ralf was right about almost everything (aside from his blind spot for Maguire). Even when Ronaldo was scoring regularly for us he was insistent on us buying a striker in January after Mason got arrested. Well Erik knew that Ronaldo was unsettled and instead of spending big on a recognized CF decided to blow 100m euros on Antony because he figured even if Ronaldo couldn't integrate effectively into his team he'd still have Rashford and Martial as CF options. I really do not know what is wrong with this club. Since we sold Lukaku we've spent almost £200m on wingers (Antony, Sancho, Amad, Pellestri) and only £20m on strikers (if you count Ighalo's loan fee). I get that Erik believes Antony is destined for greatness (not really seeing it myself so far) but starting the season with only Ronaldo, Martial and Rashford as our CF options was a massive gamble. Midfield we would be OK if Donny had a better pre-season and kicked on under Erik. But as Donny has now failed under 3 successive managers time to cut our losses and see if we can include him in a swap deal for Tielemans in January. That is the low budget option as I cannot imagine Murtough sanctioning £70m for Frenkie in January and word is he'd rather we wait until the summer and try to sign Bellingham (which is never going to happen). That being the case I think Erik needs to give Iqbal more game time and use him to keep Eriksen fresh. But realistically we aren't going to spend big in January. Murtough has already as much as said we overspent in the summer and are ahead of schedule and are looking forward to next summer. That being the case Manchester City, Arsenal, Liverpool, Chelsea and Tottenham will all finish ahead of us. Problem was he only started with the barbs once it looked like he was on his way out. What a terrible appointment in all honesty. Conte was available. |
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Post by harvindhillon on Oct 17, 2022 9:08:00 GMT
Erik or no Erik, the main issue is upfront, we got no serious goal scorer. Every other team has a recognised top forward and we got a 38 year old. Nothing against the man but we need more.
To be honest I think the team played quite decent yesterday just up to the point around the box. It was always sideways, we got no one in there making intelligent runs, we got no goal poacher, no strength.
Forget about RB, or midfield, we can survive if we got someone winning us games from upfront. A RB is not going to get us goals, nor another creative midfielder.
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Post by Kojak on Oct 17, 2022 9:35:21 GMT
Only saw the second half yesterday. I didn’t think we were awful or anything, should’ve won really.
But it was sort of the same story as the last few years. Struggle to create proper chances, don’t take the ones we create. Fortunately we never really looked like conceding, we’d have lost that last season.
Without Eriksen you can see those deficiencies again in terms of creative passing. Casemiro is an upgrade on the ball from McTominay or Fred and you could see that with the chance he created for Rashford at the end. But we need depth so that when we do run Eriksen into the ground we have a viable alternative.
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Post by Paul on Oct 17, 2022 11:01:05 GMT
Sad thing is we didn't even have to pay any money for a decent striker. Dybala and Belotti were both available on frees.
No other club in the league is this consistent when it comes to blatant incompetence with dealing with transfers.
That being said I'm not panicking yet with the league finish after only 9 games. I don't see us spending big in Jan though, not unless we can offload aswell. Tielemans is one we should be in for straight away but think that'll be a summer move rather in Jan. If we just signed a striker It'll be a start.
I do have faith in TH though, he needs a good bit of time to sort the rest of this mess out. Think its a bit ridiculous putting him to the sword after just 9 league games aswell. But he does need to put a bit more trust in some of these youngsters, he's gonna have to. Let them have their time to shine because we can't keep watching the same shit underperform week in week out.
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Post by dsilvaxx2 on Oct 17, 2022 11:04:04 GMT
I didn’t see the whole match, but most the first half and last part of the second half.
This is the second match in a week where the other team played ten men behind the ball. Newcastle did the high press which our back 4 don’t like have to operate under the pressure. Then when the press was beaten they parked the bus in their defensive third.
We have slower wingers that cannot open the game up themselves in Sancho and Antony with this type of defensive look. I would like to see ETH try moving Sancho in Bruno’s position with Eriksen in his usual role and Casemiro behind them. This should help fortify the midfield and move the ball quicker in the attack.
We still need a winger or two with speed and skillz. And also a central striker who can move and finish and can play most our matches.. Football smarts across the squad wouldn’t hurt either…
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Post by viking22 on Oct 17, 2022 11:55:29 GMT
Poor recruitment is the #1 problem. Funds are not unlimited under the Glazers but the same is true at other clubs like Arsenal, Tottenham and Liverpool who have spent better in recent years. We also are not prioritizing very well. We put off buying a CDM for far too long and have resorted to stop gap solutions for the number 9 position ever since we sold Lukaku. We've spent almost £200m on wingers. Two are on loan and still 3 years on nowhere near the first team. The other two are in the squad and both look quite limited and certainly not worth the huge amounts spent on them.
We've let so many players leave on frees missing the chance to get £15m for Lingard and we let the Pogba situation drag on too long instead of selling him for £30m a few years back. AWB is another one we should have sold in the summer. And selling Garner seems very short sighted when he was never given a proper chance to fight for a place in the team.
Ten Hag should have walked away from the Antony deal. But of course Murtough is partly to blame. If we'd tried to sign Antony earlier in the window he would have been a lot cheaper. But regardless as soon as the price started climbing to 100m euros Erik should have surveyed his squad and realized that we had enough wide options to get by this season but with Ronaldo unsettled, Martial unreliable and Rashford not a natural finisher and unproven as a number 9 a recognized CF should have been the priority.
Midfield I think it is unfortunate that Donny hasn't kicked on under Ten Hag. Selling Garner was also a mistake. Casemiro and Eriksen should have been enough. As it is going in for Tielemans in January offering Donny in part exchange seems like a good solution and will allow us to prioritize our summer spend on a top class CF.
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