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Post by dazjoe on Apr 20, 2023 22:04:57 GMT
It wouldn't surprise me at all if Jose won the Europa League. It annoys me the way people overhype Erik's solitary trophy while completely discounting Jose's three trophies and 2nd place finish. Especially as these were achieved with a far weaker squad that Erik has at his disposal. And while people love to dismiss Jose as a washed up relic he's doing very good work at Roma when you consider the resources at his disposal. There are four Italian teams in the European semi-finals and Roma are currently sitting 4th place above Milan and Inter in the table. He won the Europa Conference League last season. OK a joke of a competition but the man wins trophies everywhere he goes. Tottenham the only exception but if Levy hadn't been dumb enough to sack him before the cup final he would have probably found a way to win that as well. I don't think anyone tries to discount Jose's achievements that season. He did very well, no argument. Everyone just knew what was coming and so it proved. As it will with Roma when they're 8th at Christmas and he's sacked. Because as sure as night follows day that is what is going to happen there. He has 1 season to get the players in and out that he wants. 2nd season pushes hard and wins. 3rd season blows everything up, slags the players off to the press and is sacked. Jose was a good short term option for United but never the long term answer; everyone knew when he was appointed he'd do what he did, i.e. win a couple of trophy's then it'll go to shit and he'll be gone. |
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Post by Karma on Apr 20, 2023 22:09:33 GMT
It wouldn't surprise me at all if Jose won the Europa League. It annoys me the way people overhype Erik's solitary trophy while completely discounting Jose's three trophies and 2nd place finish. Especially as these were achieved with a far weaker squad that Erik has at his disposal. And while people love to dismiss Jose as a washed up relic he's doing very good work at Roma when you consider the resources at his disposal. There are four Italian teams in the European semi-finals and Roma are currently sitting 4th place above Milan and Inter in the table. He won the Europa Conference League last season. OK a joke of a competition but the man wins trophies everywhere he goes. Tottenham the only exception but if Levy hadn't been dumb enough to sack him before the cup final he would have probably found a way to win that as well. I don't think anyone tries to discount Jose's achievements that season. He did very well, no argument. Everyone just knew what was coming and so it proved. As it will with Roma when they're 8th at Christmas and he's sacked. Because as sure as night follows day that is what is going to happen there. He has 1 season to get the players in and out that he wants. 2nd season pushes hard and wins. 3rd season blows everything up, slags the players off to the press and is sacked. Jose was a good short term option for United but never the long term answer; everyone knew when he was appointed he'd do what he did, i.e. win a couple of trophy's then it'll go to shit and he'll be gone. Because he worked out what the Glazers motives were. I think he always wanted to come here but like previous managers before him was screwed over once again. |
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Post by dazjoe on Apr 20, 2023 22:09:50 GMT
It wouldn't surprise me at all if Jose won the Europa League. It annoys me the way people overhype Erik's solitary trophy while completely discounting Jose's three trophies and 2nd place finish. Especially as these were achieved with a far weaker squad that Erik has at his disposal. And while people love to dismiss Jose as a washed up relic he's doing very good work at Roma when you consider the resources at his disposal. There are four Italian teams in the European semi-finals and Roma are currently sitting 4th place above Milan and Inter in the table. He won the Europa Conference League last season. OK a joke of a competition but the man wins trophies everywhere he goes. Tottenham the only exception but if Levy hadn't been dumb enough to sack him before the cup final he would have probably found a way to win that as well. You have to give Ten Hag a chance to rebuild this team. People on here talking about picking Maguire, what option does he have if his first choice CBs are injured. Its a lack of options, not poor management. This. You could, maybe, give him abuse for letting Bailly go out on loan leaving us with limited options but he's a walking car crash anyway and would almost certainly have been injured half this season if he'd stayed. Jones and Tuanzebe are complete non-entities. So he was left with the weakest Swede in history and the biggest fraud at the club as his only real options as back ups. Maybe he could have signed more cover, but Jesus did we see the issues he had just getting the players in he did? And as for selling Maguire, I'm 100% for that, but people do realise that 1 - you need someone actually willing to buy him, and 2 - selling is on the board not the manager. If bids are made and the board think they're not enough then not much the manager can do about it. |
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Post by viking22 on Apr 20, 2023 22:15:36 GMT
I think a part of good management is overcoming adversity and dealing with sub-par options and still getting a team performance greater than the sum of the parts. Fergie managed some pretty poor Manchester United teams at times and still kept winning trophies and the occasional title.
I think we've seen with Ten Hag that when we are at full strength and the players are on form we are a good team that can play some good football and beat anyone. So if we get super rich Arab owners then we are all set. But I don't think that is something we can count on by any means. You'd pray no matter what happens players like Maguire, Wout, Sancho, Martial, Scotty etc. won't be around next season. But just like all his predecessors including Fergie, Erik will probably still have to field some pretty mediocre squad players from time to time and get a result.
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Post by Bestie on Apr 20, 2023 22:29:38 GMT
You have to give Ten Hag a chance to rebuild this team. People on here talking about picking Maguire, what option does he have if his first choice CBs are injured. Its a lack of options, not poor management. This. You could, maybe, give him abuse for letting Bailly go out on loan leaving us with limited options but he's a walking car crash anyway and would almost certainly have been injured half this season if he'd stayed. Jones and Tuanzebe are complete non-entities. So he was left with the weakest Swede in history and the biggest fraud at the club as his only real options as back ups. Maybe he could have signed more cover, but Jesus did we see the issues he had just getting the players in he did? And as for selling Maguire, I'm 100% for that, but people do realise that 1 - you need someone actually willing to buy him, and 2 - selling is on the board not the manager. If bids are made and the board think they're not enough then not much the manager can do about it. Maguire is still in the first team squad. Maguire is still Captain. I said last summer that was the first strike. The board would have had some job justifying turning down Maguire bids if ten Hag had said the player will never play. They were happy to tear up Ronaldo's 450+k contract when the manager forced him out of the club for them. |
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Post by Paul on Apr 20, 2023 22:55:20 GMT
Coincidence that we get those two gorms back at centre half and De Gea reverts to being a nervous wreck? I just can't get how the Maguire is an actual professional footballer. I mean how shit must the rest have been for the scout to turn up and recommend him 😂. |
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Post by Karma on Apr 20, 2023 22:59:26 GMT
He makes me nervous, imagine having to play with him .
I think Lindelof looks a worse player alongside him.
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Post by mightyez on Apr 21, 2023 4:42:52 GMT
Need that Qatar money.
It’s the only way the likes of Maguire, Sancho, bailly, martial can be told to get lost at any cost.
Under any other ownership they will stay because we can’t afford the loss
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Post by redcase on Apr 21, 2023 4:55:52 GMT
Coincidence that we get those two gorms back at centre half and De Gea reverts to being a nervous wreck? Not in the slightest. The man looked like he was having one giant ‘nam flashback all game. |
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Post by Stretty on Apr 21, 2023 5:07:50 GMT
This. You could, maybe, give him abuse for letting Bailly go out on loan leaving us with limited options but he's a walking car crash anyway and would almost certainly have been injured half this season if he'd stayed. Jones and Tuanzebe are complete non-entities. So he was left with the weakest Swede in history and the biggest fraud at the club as his only real options as back ups. Maybe he could have signed more cover, but Jesus did we see the issues he had just getting the players in he did? And as for selling Maguire, I'm 100% for that, but people do realise that 1 - you need someone actually willing to buy him, and 2 - selling is on the board not the manager. If bids are made and the board think they're not enough then not much the manager can do about it.
Maguire is still Captain.
I said last summer that was the first strike. The board would have had some job justifying turning down Maguire bids if ten Hag had said the player will never play. They were happy to tear up Ronaldo's 450+k contract when the manager forced him out of the club for them.I get your point on him being captain but with his first season in charge and while still under the glazers he was never going to be able to replace 6-7 players in one window and would need players he knew where shit(like Maguire)onboard until he can shift them. Dont forget when varane and licha are fit Maguire is benched. ronaldo is different because he wanted out and ETH wanted him out. When the new owners come in he should be able to shift all the shit within 1 or 2 summer windows. |
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Post by Stretty on Apr 21, 2023 5:11:28 GMT
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Post by ray on Apr 21, 2023 5:20:08 GMT
10 years ago today we won our last league title. After that shitshow last night, it could be argued that we are as far away now as we ever were from reclaiming it.
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Post by king nothing on Apr 21, 2023 5:20:57 GMT
Maguire is still in the first team squad.
Maguire is still Captain.
I said last summer that was the first strike. The board would have had some job justifying turning down Maguire bids if ten Hag had said the player will never play. They were happy to tear up Ronaldo's 450+k contract when the manager forced him out of the club for them. I get your point on him being captain but with his first season in charge and while still under the glazers he was never going to be able to replace 6-7 players in one window and would need players he knew where shit(like Maguire)onboard until he can shift them. Dont forget when varane and licha are fit Maguire is benched. ronaldo is different because he wanted out and ETH wanted him out. When the new owners come in he should be able to shift all the shit within 1 or 2 summer windows. All that shit shouldn't be here in the first place. |
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Post by mightyez on Apr 21, 2023 5:23:20 GMT
Quite frankly I would be rather disappointed with the league cup and top 4 finish.
A quiet summer or lack of clearout would also compound the issue.
We gotta beat Brighton and city, no more excuses for these cowards. They need another trophy, finish 3rd and stop these diabolical collapses.
3 midfielders needed, striker (possibly 2 depending on ….), goal keeper, Rb and 2 cb’s. That’s 8!!! Needed.
Maguire, lindelof, one of the rb’s, Jones, bailly, Williams, telles, martial, Elanga, Fred, donny, MCT and Sancho all (13!!) need out.
Just pathetic last night and the worst thing was it was from far far too many player.
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Post by king nothing on Apr 21, 2023 5:28:46 GMT
Last night was one of the weakest performances I've seen in over 40 years of watching united. I'm dumbfounded by how bad the squad is as soon as a couple of players are out. Weg fucking wouthorst is a striker for Manchester United. Follow your dreams kids, it could happen to you.
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