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Post by DedRevil on Jan 2, 2024 13:35:56 GMT
Regulion gone back to Spurs
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Post by Stew on Jan 2, 2024 13:55:39 GMT
Regulion gone back to Spurs Dalot’s Roberto Carlos-esque performances on the left did for him. |
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Post by unitedsotex on Jan 2, 2024 15:26:51 GMT
Bit harsh on Varane. He played over 30 games last season. This season he's played half our games and would have played more if Erik hadn't given Maguire a run in the side. He's avoided long term injuries that have dogged Martinez since he joined us and Shaw since forever. Last season he was one of our best players forming a strong centre back partnership with Martinez. This season it would be hard for any centre back to perform with all the chopping and changing and the total lack of protection from midfield. But he's had some good games most notably against Liverpool and Bayern Munich. Not good enough for a first choice CB. We played more games than any other club last season I think. We need someone where more than thirty games isn’t an achievement. I actually like Varane, think he’s still a good player. But we need someone quality who is fit more or less all the time. Also, I wouldn’t say Martinez has been dogged by injury. He played about 45 games last season which I dare say is more than Varane has managed in a single season in his whole career. It's not like we have any other world class options on the bench when you say "not good enough for a first choice CB"... we have Slabhead, Lindelof, him, father time Evans, and a injured Martinez. We have what we have and unfortunately he is about the best of the lot that's playable right now. |
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Post by Kojak on Jan 2, 2024 17:19:13 GMT
Not good enough for a first choice CB. We played more games than any other club last season I think. We need someone where more than thirty games isn’t an achievement. I actually like Varane, think he’s still a good player. But we need someone quality who is fit more or less all the time. Also, I wouldn’t say Martinez has been dogged by injury. He played about 45 games last season which I dare say is more than Varane has managed in a single season in his whole career. It's not like we have any other world class options on the bench when you say "not good enough for a first choice CB"... we have Slabhead, Lindelof, him, father time Evans, and a injured Martinez. We have what we have and unfortunately he is about the best of the lot that's playable right now. Aye, he is the best right now, but we’re paying him £350k a week and he’s injured too often to warrant it. I think it’s fair to say, reduce your wages or leave. Providing we replace him. Which given the state of our circus, we might not. |
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Post by mightyez on Jan 2, 2024 17:28:24 GMT
It's not like we have any other world class options on the bench when you say "not good enough for a first choice CB"... we have Slabhead, Lindelof, him, father time Evans, and a injured Martinez. We have what we have and unfortunately he is about the best of the lot that's playable right now. Aye, he is the best right now, but we’re paying him £350k a week and he’s injured too often to warrant it. I think it’s fair to say, reduce your wages or leave. Providing we replace him. Which given the state of our circus, we might not. Agree with this. And I don't think we can compare this to DDG. DDG had given us a decade of service, when we gave him his contract he was sign handily the only world beater we had and up there with the best. He agreed reduced terms but we wanted to screw him and tap into his love for the club and reduce them even more. Varane has been around 2 years, even he will tell you at this stage he needs to be managed in terms of injuries, he is a top player but if he wants to stay then take a paycut for likely a 2 year deal with an option for a third. any new contract is likely to still see him earning £200k minimum if not £250k so he will be well paid. |
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Post by viking22 on Jan 2, 2024 18:21:38 GMT
The comparison with DDG is we left one of our few good players go for nothing and bought (are likely to buy) an inferior replacement for an outlay of at least £50m when we have so many other areas of the team that need strengthening and a pretty limited budget with FFP restrictions.
We got lucky with Martinez. Our track record in buying centre backs in the post Fergie years hasn't been encouraging.....Maguire, Lindelof, Rojo, Bailly etc.
And Maguire has no incentive to seek a move away if he knows that with Varane gone all he needs to do is wait for Martinez to get injured (which he has done every season so far) and he will get back into the team. Of course he hasn't played that badly this season but we all know what Maguire is capable of.
Anyway. It makes little difference whether we keep Varane another season or not. The next few seasons are going to be transition seasons as we try to rebuild the squad in a more sustainable way. I just hope that our recruitment does improve under SJR and ideally a new manager.
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Post by Kojak on Jan 2, 2024 22:08:18 GMT
The comparison with DDG is we left one of our few good players go for nothing and bought (are likely to buy) an inferior replacement for an outlay of at least £50m when we have so many other areas of the team that need strengthening and a pretty limited budget with FFP restrictions. We got lucky with Martinez. Our track record in buying centre backs in the post Fergie years hasn't been encouraging.....Maguire, Lindelof, Rojo, Bailly etc. And Maguire has no incentive to seek a move away if he knows that with Varane gone all he needs to do is wait for Martinez to get injured (which he has done every season so far) and he will get back into the team. Of course he hasn't played that badly this season but we all know what Maguire is capable of. Anyway. It makes little difference whether we keep Varane another season or not. The next few seasons are going to be transition seasons as we try to rebuild the squad in a more sustainable way. I just hope that our recruitment does improve under SJR and ideally a new manager. Again, Martinez played 45 games before he broke his foot and the injury this season is an extension of that. It’s not like the muscular problems which dog Varane. De Gea was never injured. Varane can barely string three games together. It’s alright saying he hasn’t been injured as much this season, but ETH was leaving him out. If he’d been playing those games he likely would have gotten injured in them. I do think Varane is a good player still and he’s probably good around the place and very professional. I just think if we’re moving into a brave new world, we can’t be having people that physically unreliable sat on that kind of money. |
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Post by unitedsotex on Jan 3, 2024 2:37:33 GMT
Fabrizio Romano saying Jadon the lazy cunt showing signs of life by pushing hard for the loan back to Dortmund
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Post by DedRevil on Jan 3, 2024 8:12:48 GMT
Fabrizio Romano saying Jadon the lazy cunt showing signs of life by pushing hard for the loan back to Dortmund Probably gonna put about £25 towards his wages too. I'd let the cunt rot. |
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Post by Stew on Jan 3, 2024 8:56:01 GMT
Fabrizio Romano saying Jadon the lazy cunt showing signs of life by pushing hard for the loan back to Dortmund Probably gonna put about £25 towards his wages too. I'd let the cunt rot. We’ve tried that before and it’s failed. I’m glad we’re getting more of the dross out the door and really don’t mind if we are paying 50% or 75% of his wages. Donny and Sancho gone is a good start. |
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Post by viking22 on Jan 3, 2024 11:31:48 GMT
Some reports saying that Dortmund will cover 1/3 of his wages with us paying the rest. Naturally no loan fee. But does seem to be close.
His contract expires summer 2027 and he is on £350k a week. His wage demands alone should have made us swerve him. Especially as we did our usual thing of giving six year contracts. As should any basic due diligence that would have brought to light his unprofessionalism which has been a constant theme throughout his career and only tolerated at Dortmund because he was producing the goods.
And if Dortmund are only willing to pay 1/3 of his wages when they are paying absolutely nothing for him heaven knows how we can hope to get any kind of transfer fee, even if he does play well for them, unless he cooperates and is willing to accept a huge pay cut.
But more likely he will take the Maguire approach of asking for a huge severance bonus to make up any difference on wages. On this occasion though we should just take the hit because getting him off our books this summer is an absolute must.
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Post by redcase on Jan 3, 2024 11:37:35 GMT
How I yearn for a time when clubs are allowed to cut shit players.
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Post by viking22 on Jan 3, 2024 12:53:49 GMT
ESPN reporting that Erik is demanding to retain his right to veto any transfers which is apparently written into his existing deal.
Hopefully SJR will stand firm and tell Erik to do one.
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Post by Paul on Jan 3, 2024 13:11:36 GMT
ESPN reporting that Erik is demanding to retain his right to veto any transfers which is apparently written into his existing deal. Hopefully SJR will stand firm and tell Erik to do one. To be honest he's the manager, I think he should be more than entitled to have a say in who comes in as he has to work with them. We do however need somebody in the role to have the final say. Whoever comes in needs to also put a ban on players that have played in the Dutch league 😂. |
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Post by Paul on Jan 3, 2024 13:15:15 GMT
It's a shame how Sancho has turned out. Was excited when he first got him, a player that was tearing up the German league, a talented young player ready to boss the premier league.
Has had more support from the manager and club than most players and yet has repaid it all by throwing his toys out of the pram with a shite attitude. He's made his bed, sooner he's fucked off the better.
Let's hope it's the start of the toxic rot being booted out of the club.
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