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Post by Stew on Oct 27, 2023 9:31:22 GMT
Onana looks like he’s finally turning things around and you want to bring in a legend to give him competition for his place.
That should really help his confidence.
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Post by viking22 on Oct 27, 2023 9:41:41 GMT
We can bring Dave in as cover during AFCON and as a cup keeper on a short term deal. Romero was a damn good 2nd keeper and that never caused any issues. I do not think Onana has confidence issues. I think he just needed some time to settle and wasn't getting any protection from defence or midfield.
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Post by fergiegiveusawave on Oct 27, 2023 13:57:16 GMT
Dave and Romero are not in the same stratosphere…
I’m still far from convinced on Onana. A few decent games does not make a player but he has to be given time to make that spot his own without someone like that breathing down his neck.
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Post by Kojak on Oct 27, 2023 16:17:34 GMT
Don’t see an issue with the competition for him. It’s worked wonders for Shaw in the past.
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Post by Stretty on Oct 29, 2023 7:46:49 GMT
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Post by Stew on Oct 29, 2023 8:05:42 GMT
He was more than keen 10 years ago, he presumed it was done. Then Van Gaal took over and that was that. |
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Post by Stretty on Oct 29, 2023 8:22:32 GMT
He was more than keen 10 years ago, he presumed it was done. Then Van Gaal took over and that was that. I thought it was the other way round but the point still stands about letting him go to Saudi. We need the next Kroos(even though there are probably at least 5 other clubs he would choose before us in our current state). |
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Post by Stew on Oct 29, 2023 11:53:22 GMT
He was more than keen 10 years ago, he presumed it was done. Then Van Gaal took over and that was that. I thought it was the other way round but the point still stands about letting him go to Saudi. We need the next Kroos(even though there are probably at least 5 other clubs he would choose before us in our current state). No he wanted to come. I agree though, far too old now. |
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Post by viking22 on Nov 19, 2023 23:23:16 GMT
Some talk of signing Griezmann in January. Apparently his release clause is only about £22m and we can triple his current wages.
Normally I would be against signing another player five years too late. But if it means we can ditch Martial and Sancho in January it would be worth it and he is very versatile and he's on 12 goals already this season which is way more than our current forwards have managed this season. And without adding some firepower in January I really do not see us finishing top 4.
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Post by dazjoe on Nov 19, 2023 23:28:46 GMT
Some talk of signing Griezmann in January. Apparently his release clause is only about £22m and we can triple his current wages. Normally I would be against signing another player five years too late. But if it means we can ditch Martial and Sancho in January it would be worth it and he is very versatile and he's on 12 goals already this season which is way more than our current forwards have managed this season. And without adding some firepower in January I really do not see us finishing top 4. Was coming on to pretty much say exactly this. Normally it'd be a pass from me too, but more experience up front is desperately needed and he is playing well; I can well imagine him doing well enough without setting the world on fire. And even at 32 he's 10 times the player Martial is. |
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Post by fergiegiveusawave on Nov 20, 2023 8:16:55 GMT
Just feels like falling into the same trap with a player like Griezmann. We give him massive wages; he maybe performs for 6 months or not at all and we’re then left with a guy past his best on huge wages who we’ll struggle to shift.
Must surely be a better option out there.
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Post by viking22 on Nov 20, 2023 9:24:37 GMT
It would be a stop gap. But for £22m even if he only gives us a year or two it would still be good value. He is 32 so even we aren't stupid enough to put him on the 5+1 contract the others all get. He'd get the same wages as Martial who we can release on a free in the summer. As he can play out wide it also makes it easier to ditch Sancho and Antony if there are any takers in January.
He has never had any major injury issues as far as I am aware which is where we went wrong with Varane, Falcao, Cavani etc. Although in fairness when Varane and Cavani were fit they were excellent players for us. And there is no doubting his quality and experience and he has scored 12 goals already in all competitions. So we would be bringing in a forward on red hot form which is just what we need when Rashford and Antony have been dreadful this season managing only a single goal a few assists between them and Hojlund can only seem to score in the Champions League. Martial has been crap this season and isn't reliable cover for Hojlund and therefore Hojlund is being overplayed and risks burnout or injury. So it really does make a lot of sense. If it works out (and there is a good chance it would) it greatly increases our chances of making top 4 which would pay off a good chunk of his transfer fee and wages and also make it easier to attract good players in the summer.
In the summer there would be better options. But not in January. Even if there were we don't have the budget or the competence to identify them. And while in defence we can hope that players return from injury our attack is pretty much at full strength and is still stinking the place up. So bringing in a proven goal scorer and goal creator with Griezmann's quality and experience for £22m seems like a major coup.
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Post by redcase on Nov 20, 2023 9:48:06 GMT
Just feels like falling into the same trap with a player like Griezmann. We give him massive wages; he maybe performs for 6 months or not at all and we’re then left with a guy past his best on huge wages who we’ll struggle to shift. Must surely be a better option out there. Signing Griezmann at this time is fucking peak United lmao. Another diva who will contribute sweet fuckall when the chips are down. I don’t know when our fans will learn. We end up twisting ourselves into knots that “X” has-been player will somehow miraculously volte-face into a major influence on this squad. Then when inevitably the player is shit, the complaining begins. If we want to see a change, there really needs to BE a fucking change. |
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Post by bushy1987 on Nov 20, 2023 9:49:38 GMT
Hard no to griezmann for me, it's like we never learn, why is it always us doing deals like this, when do city Madrid ect do it, if things are going to change at the club we need to change how we operate with transfers paying daft wages on players who are at the end of their career's, there must be a player in South America who can come in for the same money and a fraction of the wages and age who could do a similar job.
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Post by viking22 on Nov 20, 2023 10:23:26 GMT
Even if there is a wonderkid out there who could hit the ground running do you trust Murtough/Fletcher/Erik and our scouting team to be able to identify such a player? Besides we already have Hojlund who is very raw and it is clear we need a proven goal scorer to save our season. And a versatile forward like Griezmann would seem to be just what the doctor ordered even if he can only give us a season or two. And because he's a big name player I suspect we could offload him to Saudi Arabia midway through what would probably be a 3 year contract.
Hopefully this would be the last of these kind of deals and in the summer we can begin a new long term recruitment strategy after getting rid of some more dead wood. But desperate times call for desperate measures and 1 Premier League goal between Rashford, Hojlund, Martial, Antony and Garnacho clearly indicates a crisis that cannot wait until the summer to be addressed even if the only options in January are going to be stop gap in nature. And as I said Martial could be shifted to make room on our wage bill and we could loan out Antony and Sancho to increase the chances of getting a transfer fee for them in the summer as Griezmann can play out wide as well as upfront. It would also take some of the pressure off Hojlund and allow Erik to give him the occasional rest. Hard no to griezmann for me, it's like we never learn, why is it always us doing deals like this, when do city Madrid ect do it, if things are going to change at the club we need to change how we operate with transfers paying daft wages on players who are at the end of their career's, there must be a player in South America who can come in for the same money and a fraction of the wages and age who could do a similar job.
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