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Post by mightyez on Nov 20, 2023 10:52:05 GMT
need to start looking forward and leave our past love interests well alone.
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Post by Stretty on Nov 20, 2023 11:51:19 GMT
Just feels like falling into the same trap with a player like Griezmann. We give him massive wages; he maybe performs for 6 months or not at all and we’re then left with a guy past his best on huge wages who we’ll struggle to shift. Must surely be a better option out there.
I don’t know when our fans will learn. We end up twisting ourselves into knots that “X” has-been player will somehow miraculously volte-face into a major influence on this squad. Then when inevitably the player is shit, the complaining begins.
If we want to see a change, there really needs to BE a fucking change. 100% this |
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Post by Stretty on Nov 20, 2023 11:54:32 GMT
need to start looking forward and leave our past love interests well alone. Spot on We should not sign any player that has fucked us off in their prime(if we were not good enough back then then we are not now). |
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Post by mightyez on Nov 20, 2023 12:11:09 GMT
need to start looking forward and leave our past love interests well alone. Spot on We should not sign any player that has fucked us off in their prime(if we were not good enough back then then we are not now). man is gonna be 33 in 4 months, he should not even be a topic of discussion wages will be silly, it's a non starter |
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Post by Tatty on Nov 20, 2023 12:16:55 GMT
need to start looking forward and leave our past love interests well alone. We surely must have a dossier on the 'Next Greasyman' |
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Post by mightyez on Nov 20, 2023 12:26:29 GMT
need to start looking forward and leave our past love interests well alone. We surely must have a dossier on the 'Next Greasyman' Kind of thing Real would do. Bayern did this quite well in the past. |
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Post by alwaysUnited on Nov 20, 2023 17:32:17 GMT
Love Griezmann, top player. We are desperate for a striker , he can rotate or partner with Hojlund upfront.
Before people go all nuts remember the alternative is Martial.
We may get only 2 years but that will do for now, just dont give crazy long contract.
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Post by thesheepdog on Nov 21, 2023 0:31:33 GMT
remember when we used to buy the absolute best players in the league every year. just watched Rooney documentary he refused new contract storming into managers office. youve sold Teves and Ronaldo who the fuck are you buying. writing was on the wall back then and we have gradually rotted away over the years. I hope i live to see the Glazers leave and all die a horible death
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Post by viking22 on Nov 21, 2023 12:58:36 GMT
Times were different.
There is so much money in the Premier League these days that smaller clubs can hold on to their best players or demand massive prices for them e.g. Rice, Caicedo etc. It is still worth doing if the quality is there but such opportunities are quite rare and if you get the quality wrong you will get massively ripped off. Clearly our record so far isn't great spending almost £200m on Maguire, AWB and Mount and Alexis Sanchez was also a massive flop. Matic and Lukaku were good short term signings but we made a loss on them. Even Manchester City haven't been that successful taking that approach. Grealish has improved but hasn't been amazing for them. Kalvin Phillips flopped badly. Mahrez was decent but not outstanding for them. Even De Bruyne was signed from Germany after being let go by Chelsea. Liverpool are the best contemporary example signing Mane, Van Dijk, Wijnaldum and MacAllister over the years. But this summer they got gazumped when they tried to buy Caicedo and Lavia.
World class players in other leagues only want to join us when they are past their best and want big money to secure their retirement. We've seen that already with Varane and Casemiro. It isn't going to change anytime soon.
What we used to do well was buying young foreign players at reasonable prices and developing them into world class players. Ronaldo, Vidic, Nani, Ruud, Chicharito, Evra, Stam, Schmeichel, OGS, Kanchelskis etc.
Now we pay unreasonable prices and get it very wrong with Antony and Sancho the examples that stand out. But there have been lots of other flops in the post-Fergie years as well such as Depay, Pogba, Bailly, Lindelof, Darmian, Rojo, Mkhi, Martial etc.
This is probably the area that can be improved the most in the short term. We need to cast a much wider net than the Dutch league and get better at identifying players with the right mentality and the quality to make the step up to the Premier League.
We also need to get better at bringing through quality youngsters. In the current team only Rashford and Scotty and Garnacho came through the ranks. Mainoo has potential but remains to be seen if Erik will play him. Greenwood obviously a massive disappointment as he was an amazing talent. But even with all our defensive injuries we do not seem to have anyone in the youth system capable of stepping up. While in part that is because Erik seems reluctant to blood youngsters it probably also reflects general poor running of the club. Clearly an area we need to improve but will take time to pay dividends.
remember when we used to buy the absolute best players in the league every year. just watched Rooney documentary he refused new contract storming into managers office. youve sold Teves and Ronaldo who the fuck are you buying. writing was on the wall back then and we have gradually rotted away over the years. I hope i live to see the Glazers leave and all die a horible death
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Post by Jayrannasaurus on Nov 21, 2023 14:08:33 GMT
Ordinarily I would agree, hard no to Griezmann.
Unlike a few of the others before him, this wouldn't really be a marquee signing as much as it would be serving as a stop-gap to having to play Martial.
He's obviously not injured, and he's been scoring as many goals as we've managed in the league as a team this season (+/-).
It would be a short-term gig, not sure we have much more to spend in Jan the way things are going.
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Post by viking22 on Nov 21, 2023 14:58:12 GMT
Absolutely right. We would be bringing in a proven and reliable goal scorer. Something we do not currently have in the squad. And the fee is something we could just about afford in January. Especially as it would greatly increase our chances of making top 4.
But apparently he has no interest in joining us and has already turned down big money from the Middle East and is perfectly happy in Spain. So I only dread to think who we will bring in this January instead.
Most likely Erik will just bury his head in the sand and continue to place unwarranted faith in Antony and Rashford and continue playing Hojlund until he either burns out or gets injured. Ordinarily I would agree, hard no to Griezmann. Unlike a few of the others before him, this wouldn't really be a marquee signing as much as it would be serving as a stop-gap to having to play Martial. He's obviously not injured, and he's been scoring as many goals as we've managed in the league as a team this season (+/-). It would be a short-term gig, not sure we have much more to spend in Jan the way things are going.
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Post by Stretty on Nov 21, 2023 15:37:20 GMT
Love Griezmann, top player. We are desperate for a striker , he can rotate or partner with Hojlund upfront. Before people go all nuts remember the alternative is Martial. We may get only 2 years but that will do for now, just dont give crazy long contract.better still don’t give him a contract at all. if we sign him we’ve learned nothing no matter what the alternatives are. |
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Post by alwaysUnited on Nov 21, 2023 17:48:07 GMT
Love Griezmann, top player. We are desperate for a striker , he can rotate or partner with Hojlund upfront. Before people go all nuts remember the alternative is Martial. We may get only 2 years but that will do for now, just dont give crazy long contract.better still don’t give him a contract at all. if we sign him we’ve learned nothing no matter what the alternatives are. We have about 5 options here: - Throw a 17 or 18 old from academy into the deep end - Cheapest option and unlikely to work - Hope our scouts suddenly unearth some undiscovered gem and we move quickly before other clubs to sign him - LOL - Hope Martial does a last season Rashford ,run into a rich vein of form AND avoid injury - LOL - Sign actual proper world class striker - LOL and unlikely to be available in Jan - Sign Griezmann who can do a job for 1 or 2 seasons before Jim and his people hopefully find better players to sign. I know which one iam choosing. |
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Post by Stretty on Nov 21, 2023 18:05:37 GMT
better still don’t give him a contract at all. if we sign him we’ve learned nothing no matter what the alternatives are. We have about 5 options here: - Throw a 17 or 18 old from academy into the deep end - Cheapest option and unlikely to work - Hope our scouts suddenly unearth some undiscovered gem and we move quickly before other clubs to sign him - LOL - Hope Martial does a last season Rashford ,run into a rich vein of form AND avoid injury - LOL - Sign actual proper world class striker - LOL and unlikely to be available in Jan - Sign Griezmann who can do a job for 1 or 2 seasons before Jim and his people hopefully find better players to sign.I know which one iam choosing. im sure even the current fuckwits at our club should be more than capable of scouring world football and signing a better option than a past it soft arse who doesn’t really want to come here(and never has). |
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Post by DedRevil on Nov 21, 2023 18:46:44 GMT
If we sign Griezmann...What's really changed in getting rid of the current set-up above Erik?
Hard pass, I'll take the no European football next year and if we don't get out of the CL group I hope we finish bottom and dodge the Thursday nigh bollocks, cus Liverpool will end up smashing us at some point.
Take the one game a week to work on our fucking style of play instead.
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