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Post by fergiegiveusawave on Oct 4, 2023 7:58:19 GMT
Mount is fine, but he wasn't an immediate need. The money had to be spent smarter from the manager knowing we don't have unlimited funds, the same goes for ousting de Gea for the worst keeper I've seen at United since Taibi. Having said that, the manager's poor signings are another issue that goes back to the running of the club; a proper, modern club should have a transfer structure in place with a DoF.
I've almost lost all faith in ETH but I see nothing to be gained in sacking him. The same problems still exist within the club and squad that means whoever came in next would have an impossible job on their hands.
Still, lets start playing important players in their correct positions and start dropping underperforming shirkers.
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Post by seanie on Oct 4, 2023 8:04:53 GMT
We conceded a goal, that tore apart our midfield and both centre backs from a fucking header from their centre back in their 1/3 of the pitch.
Let that sink in
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Post by redcase on Oct 4, 2023 8:07:17 GMT
I wish he’d say something like the keepers fucked up badly etc etc rather than the same I believe he’s a top keeper nonsense. What’s that going to achieve though, really? It’s not going to show accountability. That would come from dropping him, which he can’t do as Heaton is injured (of course) and the other guy looks like a disaster in waiting. I think I just want him to stop saying he's a top keeper. He rightly called out Sancho for poor attitude, imo he’s got to say the keeper is far off what’s needed and needs to drastically improve. Maybe he said that and I missed it, but what I read today morning was infuriating tbh. |
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Post by redcase on Oct 4, 2023 8:15:47 GMT
Mount is fine, but he wasn't an immediate need. The money had to be spent smarter from the manager knowing we don't have unlimited funds, the same goes for ousting de Gea for the worst keeper I've seen at United since Taibi. Having said that, the manager's poor signings are another issue that goes back to the running of the club; a proper, modern club should have a transfer structure in place with a DoF. I've almost lost all faith in ETH but I see nothing to be gained in sacking him. The same problems still exist within the club and squad that means whoever came in next would have an impossible job on their hands. Still, lets start playing important players in their correct positions and start dropping underperforming shirkers. It’s taken Postecoglu 4 months but we can see a vast change in their team. |
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Post by diegof on Oct 4, 2023 8:33:32 GMT
Booting out ETH won't change anything. On the contrary.
I still think he can turn this around, although it's looking very bleak at the moment. I don't think we're actually that far off from looking a very decent team. I see players fighting, trying and doing well for periods of the game.
Glaring errors and too many players out of position are killing us, but I do see structure and a way to play - unlike Mourinho-ball or Moysey-ball. It's just all being undone by our clusterf*** of a defence atm.
I'm seeing signs of some the good traits of Van Gaal-football (strong in possession, winning ball back quickly) - but with more of a purpose going forward rather than playing sideways all over the pitch. That's the ideal of ETH, I think.
But its being undone by immensely bad defending and players played out of position. I agree with those of you who say that we need to get our key players playing in their favorite position. Let fringe players patch the rest; Bruno shouldn't be tucked away on the right side. Play Dalot LB, Lindelof at RB and bring Amrabat into midfield. CB's would be Varane and Maguire/McTominay.
Hope ETH can turn this around - I still reckon he could be a great manager for us. Come on United!
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Post by mightyez on Oct 4, 2023 8:33:55 GMT
Positive - Hojlund lastnight was top notch, he is a player. A lot of room to get better.
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Post by seanie on Oct 4, 2023 8:47:15 GMT
Onana isn't the problem, what's in front of him is. He was sensational at Inter getting to the CL final and I've never seen City so afraid to press a team.
Also how many mistakes and clangers did Dave make last few years. FA CUP FINAL ANYONE, EUROPA KNOCKOUT?
I said many times before he came that it would be chaos at times with him and what's in front of him, because of the type of keeper he is. We need two top CB's and 2 new central mids. You all saw a difference with Reguillon in his tidiness on the ball. The full backs are massively overrated too and can't deal with the press or properly defend.
Also a 31 year old Casemiro can't be a box to box mid at this level with that defense. He's a very clever player, but doesn't have the legs for it consistently. Varane is our best centre back and he needs to be shipped off to the Saudis in January. That's how bad it is
Every change of manager, changed the style of play and players. That's where the chaos comes from, not Onana. Van Gaal started that ball playing passing game, just didn't have the forwards. They sacked him and brought in the complete antithesis of that style in Mourinho, then sacked him and brought Ole, who wanted English players at a huge premium bs and just focused on counter attack football.
We are just so bad at holding onto the ball under any sort of pressure, because there has been no plan or style for 10 years. It's fucking chaotic management, not 1 player or 1 coach.
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Post by Karma on Oct 4, 2023 8:50:20 GMT
I actually feel sorry for Onana and I was one of the few defenders of De Gea right until he left.
This is probably karma for how he was treated.
I feel a goalkeeper who plays a certain way needs the right system and players ahead of him , unfortunately that didn’t appear a consideration in a Glazer riddled system of squad ‘development’.
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Post by Karma on Oct 4, 2023 8:56:03 GMT
Onana isn't the problem, what's in front of him is. He was sensational at Inter getting to the CL final and I've never seen City so afraid to press a team. Also how many mistakes and clangers did Dave make last few years. FA CUP FINAL ANYONE, EUROPA KNOCKOUT? I said many times before he came that it would be chaos at times with him and what's in front of him, because of the type of keeper he is. We need two top CB's and 2 new central mids. You all saw a difference with Reguillon in his tidiness on the ball. The full backs are massively overrated too and can't deal with the press or properly defend. Also a 31 year old Casemiro can't be a box to box mid at this level with that defense. He's a very clever player, but doesn't have the legs for it consistently. Varane is our best centre back and he needs to be shipped off to the Saudis in January. That's how bad it is Every change of manager, changed the style of play and players. That's where the chaos comes from, not Onana. Van Gaal started that ball playing passing game, just didn't have the forwards. They sacked him and brought in the complete antithesis of that style in Mourinho, then sacked him and brought Ole, who wanted English players at a huge premium bs and just focused on counter attack football. We are just so bad at holding onto the ball under any sort of pressure, because there has been no plan or style for 10 years. It's fucking chaotic management, not 1 player or 1 coach. Because when we sack managers we go for what’s most readily available/cheapest/less likely to slag off the management rather than building any kind of system. It’s why we hung onto Ole after the 5-0 rather than hire Conte and ended up with a manager who was better suited for a different role. We are run by football zombies and they’re equally brain dead minions. |
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Post by diegof on Oct 4, 2023 9:02:55 GMT
Onana isn't the problem, what's in front of him is. He was sensational at Inter getting to the CL final and I've never seen City so afraid to press a team. Also how many mistakes and clangers did Dave make last few years. FA CUP FINAL ANYONE, EUROPA KNOCKOUT? I said many times before he came that it would be chaos at times with him and what's in front of him, because of the type of keeper he is. We need two top CB's and 2 new central mids. You all saw a difference with Reguillon in his tidiness on the ball. The full backs are massively overrated too and can't deal with the press or properly defend. Also a 31 year old Casemiro can't be a box to box mid at this level with that defense. He's a very clever player, but doesn't have the legs for it consistently. Varane is our best centre back and he needs to be shipped off to the Saudis in January. That's how bad it is I agree. Onana's obviously a risk taker, but I don't know how many times I've cursed at DDG for booting it long and destroying our build-up play. Onana was clearly at fault yesterday, but there really should be better movement ahead of him to receive the ball from our midfield and full backs. Onana should have booted it giving the lack of options, but that's not way he' plays or how ETH wants him and the rest of the team to play. |
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Post by anti_social on Oct 4, 2023 9:05:27 GMT
I see that idiot Luckhurst is back talking about how Jassim’s bid is still on the table. Like clockwork, they take us all for idiots.
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Post by Karma on Oct 4, 2023 9:12:40 GMT
We better hope for all our sakes it still is back on the table.
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Post by kstandhand on Oct 4, 2023 9:16:42 GMT
In commentary last night they said ' even if United get an equaliser now,this is still a club in a complete mess'.
Anyone else notice TNT Sports muted down the Crowd noise immediately on the refs final whistle.
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Post by mightyez on Oct 4, 2023 9:47:27 GMT
Just on Onana, I may be alone but I am all for him.
I have not forgotten the brilliance of DDG but I also have not forgotten the gaffs. We needed a progress keeper, sadly he has come in when Casemiro has lost his legs, Eriksen too. Martinez played injured, Shaw out, Malacia out.
Onana has made some gaffs, massive ones but we simply will not see the best of the guy when there are so many issues in front of him. He has to do better, I believe he will, but he needs support from the manager and players.
ETH can support by getting Amrabat next to Casemiro, just help Case out with an experienced midfielder that has legs and intelligence.
That can provide us with better stability to support the defence and attack.
IMO it's Mount or Bruno, we simply are not strong enough to play both at present so for now, rotate them, keep them fresh and hungry.
Everyone from manager to plyers can and have to do better to get us out of this.
There is no point looking to those above them because they are absolutely useless. They have to pull this together, the mentality has to be 'we have no one but ourselves, we do this for ourselves and the fans'.
Anyone who is not in needs to be outted and banished to the reserves or elsewhere, this is serious serious stuff.
Lastly, other than the fact I like fact, I would would not be advocating for him being sacked. The best 2 managers in the world and most capable to help us right now play for our biggest rivals so it's pointless.
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Post by Karma on Oct 4, 2023 9:53:17 GMT
Just on Onana, I may be alone but I am all for him. I have not forgotten the brilliance of DDG but I also have not forgotten the gaffs. We needed a progress keeper, sadly he has come in when Casemiro has lost his legs, Eriksen too. Martinez played injured, Shaw out, Malacia out. Onana has made some gaffs, massive ones but we simply will not see the best of the guy when there are so many issues in front of him. He has to do better, I believe he will, but he needs support from the manager and players. ETH can support by getting Amrabat next to Casemiro, just help Case out with an experienced midfielder that has legs and intelligence. That can provide us with better stability to support the defence and attack. IMO it's Mount or Bruno, we simply are not strong enough to play both at present so for now, rotate them, keep them fresh and hungry. Everyone from manager to plyers can and have to do better to get us out of this. There is no point looking to those above them because they are absolutely useless. They have to pull this together, the mentality has to be 'we have no one but ourselves, we do this for ourselves and the fans'. Anyone who is not in needs to be outted and banished to the reserves or elsewhere, this is serious serious stuff. Lastly, other than the fact I like fact, I would would not be advocating for him being sacked. The best 2 managers in the world and most capable to help us right now play for our biggest rivals so it's pointless. If he was at City he’d have players comfortable on the ball and in possession. Their goalkeepers are basically accessories. He probably wouldn’t be so nervous , instead he has donkeys ahead of him. |
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