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Post by Karma on May 10, 2024 8:39:59 GMT
It took klopp a few years to get going at Liverpool, it's took arteta a few years too, pep came in and was able to buy who ever he wanted, but those three clubs seem to get it right most of the times when it comes to transfers, we have been getting it wrong for the last 10 years plus, if we are and if any manager is to have any success here that needs to be sorted, this season is a total shit show, but the options available too us imo are worse then Eth, give him next season but he has no say on transfers in or out and let's see from there, unless there is an actual decent manager available it all seems pointless, if it's Eth or Southgate then let's give Eth a new 10 year deal now. The thing with all of them is you could atleast see what they were trying to do, there was clear style of football. Not that it is enough, but it was something, ETH on the other hand no one seems to have any idea what he is doing. He keeps blaming injuries but its his job to find another way or system if his first choices are not available, we keep conceding shots on goal like a relegation fighting team. There comes a point when you have to ask what are they doing in training? Has he borrowed Moyes’s fitness for dummies handbook ? |
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Post by harvindhillon on May 10, 2024 9:38:18 GMT
The thing with all of them is you could atleast see what they were trying to do, there was clear style of football. Not that it is enough, but it was something, ETH on the other hand no one seems to have any idea what he is doing. He keeps blaming injuries but its his job to find another way or system if his first choices are not available, we keep conceding shots on goal like a relegation fighting team. There comes a point when you have to ask what are they doing in training? Has he borrowed Moyes’s fitness for dummies handbook ? You have to sit back and wonder though, we have gone through a couple of managers now and the complain is always style of play is not visible.
How much is that down to the manager itself, or the players at his disposal?
Let's not doubt there have been games under Ragnick and ETH were there were clear signs of a style.
It is easy to blame the manager but it is clear to me at least not all fault lies there, its is definitely the structure in the club that festered mediocrity and all aspects of it has to be gone before any manager can be successful here. It is not 100% on the manager.
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Post by mightyez on May 10, 2024 9:56:28 GMT
It took klopp a few years to get going at Liverpool, it's took arteta a few years too, pep came in and was able to buy who ever he wanted, but those three clubs seem to get it right most of the times when it comes to transfers, we have been getting it wrong for the last 10 years plus, if we are and if any manager is to have any success here that needs to be sorted, this season is a total shit show, but the options available too us imo are worse then Eth, give him next season but he has no say on transfers in or out and let's see from there, unless there is an actual decent manager available it all seems pointless, if it's Eth or Southgate then let's give Eth a new 10 year deal now. No it didn’t. 76 points in his second full season. We can laugh at him bottling the two cup finals in his first ( joined in October) but within 6 months you could see improvement in the way they played. Our football is dogshit and the injuries are a convenient excuse when the signs were there last season. Arsenal under Arteta never played football as dire as this as I recall. Yeah Karma is right that with Klopp you could pretty much see what he was trying to implement straight away. club backed him and got players to fit his vision, the results are clear to see. If not for Pep they likely would have won a lot more league titles |
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Post by bushy1987 on May 10, 2024 10:24:43 GMT
Brailsford has said Carrington isn't fit for elite sport and we need to look at relocating, I mean all these issues that the rats have let fester for 20 years no manager is ever going to succeed.
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Post by bushy1987 on May 10, 2024 10:32:39 GMT
No it didn’t. 76 points in his second full season. We can laugh at him bottling the two cup finals in his first ( joined in October) but within 6 months you could see improvement in the way they played. Our football is dogshit and the injuries are a convenient excuse when the signs were there last season. Arsenal under Arteta never played football as dire as this as I recall. Yeah Karma is right that with Klopp you could pretty much see what he was trying to implement straight away. club backed him and got players to fit his vision, the results are clear to see. If not for Pep they likely would have won a lot more league titles , That was never my actual point though, I never actually said you couldn't see what he was trying to implement ect, but it was about 3 seasons until the reached peak levels and that's similar to arsenal, the main point was more so that them clubs seem to get all the transfer deals correct most of the time so after a period of a few seasons they have a quality squad, we buy shit every single season and never actually get to a stage after say 3 years when we actually have a good strong team. This whole club just isn't made for success and it's been shown over the last five managers that success is unachievable regardless of who is in charge. |
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Post by mightyez on May 10, 2024 10:57:17 GMT
Yeah Karma is right that with Klopp you could pretty much see what he was trying to implement straight away. club backed him and got players to fit his vision, the results are clear to see. If not for Pep they likely would have won a lot more league titles , That was never my actual point though, I never actually said you couldn't see what he was trying to implement ect, but it was about 3 seasons until the reached peak levels and that's similar to arsenal, the main point was more so that them clubs seem to get all the transfer deals correct most of the time so after a period of a few seasons they have a quality squad, we buy shit every single season and never actually get to a stage after say 3 years when we actually have a good strong team. This whole club just isn't made for success and it's been shown over the last five managers that success is unachievable regardless of who is in charge. No one would argue with that point. You are definitely correct. We buy poorly, we setup poorly which highlights even further how bad players are or magnifies their short comings. Jorginho isn’t quicker than Casemiro but he has better legs and support around him therefore Jorginho looks better and Casemiro looks finished at this level. Antony an example of stupid recruitment and weak leadership, someone should have told ETH ‘cry all you want, we aren’t paying a penny over £25 million’. The Sancho situation, the guy is a twat but clearly he had no fear whatsoever of consequences or leadership therefore happily dug his heels in. We are a complete mess and the mix of it is what we see on the pitch. This summer we must accept taking loss’s and simply buy smart. I completely agree with SJR not wanting Mbappe but rather the next Mbappe. You buy a ready made player now and they will come into crap, we aren’t ready for those types. You buy the next one, give them a solid foundation and build and environment for success |
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Post by viking22 on May 10, 2024 12:19:45 GMT
I see absolutely no evidence of any improvements in style under Erik.
First season he just took advantage of our counter-attacking prowess that we developed under Jose and Ole and benefited from a purple patch from Rashford, Casemiro giving us one good season, and a more solid defence with the addition of Martinez and Varane having better luck with fitness. In other words much the same old but helped by having some better players than his predecessors and benefiting from Rashford's temporary good form.
This season he has admitted he is abandoning his philosophy developed at Ajax because we don't have the same players and is instead going to set us up to play direct football. What this seems to translate into is leave your midfield wide open, expose yourself to the risk of losing the ball in vulnerable positions, and gamble that you will create enough chances to score more goals than the opposition.
That is something that a pub football team manager could come up with and isn't something you'd expect from someone sold to us as a tactical genius.
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Post by Chris on May 14, 2024 9:33:53 GMT
Thomas Frank is the latest name to be linked.
Good times.
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Post by alt on May 14, 2024 9:49:27 GMT
Thomas Frank is the latest name to be linked. Good times. Would be a much better option than Southgate. |
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Post by mightyez on May 14, 2024 9:51:24 GMT
I think we all need to realise (as I am sure the majority do) that people are gonna make things up using us simply because it sells and gets the clicks.
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Post by alt on May 14, 2024 10:00:37 GMT
I think we all need to realise (as I am sure the majority do) that people are gonna make things up using us simply because it sells and gets the clicks. Whilst I agree, it wouldn't surprise me if we end up with someone like Frank or Potter. A good coach and someone who will be here long-term and would work with the vision that Ashworth, Wilcox etc have in mind. |
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Post by Chris on May 14, 2024 10:13:53 GMT
Thomas Frank is the latest name to be linked. Good times. Would be a much better option than Southgate. To be fair, so would you. |
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Post by fergiegiveusawave on May 14, 2024 12:47:33 GMT
I actually like Frank. Good coach and seems an engaging personality. But he’d get buried by this shitshow.
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Post by caino on May 14, 2024 15:28:27 GMT
Munich are interested in Frank too. It seams no 1 knows what to do really
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Post by ratbag on May 14, 2024 15:56:02 GMT
Munich are interested in Frank too. It seams no 1 knows what to do really Are you surprised? I ‘m not… Actually I really hope that for once we do know what we are doing, that the decision is made to get in the best person for the job ( whoever that is!!) and the deal has been done on the quiet… But whoever it is please not Southgate… I could just about stomach almost anyone else… |
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