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Post by Stretty on May 8, 2024 17:51:38 GMT
If it's Southgate, I'll be calling on everyone here to be a character witness after my murder spree. I’m doing a Bestie until he gets sacked if it happens. I’d be even more than a Debbie downer than usual. Surely they can’t think the majority of the fans would be on board with that absolute spoofer ? 🤮 Same. i think I would take a total hiatus from football and I’m not sure if I would have the motivation to return. |
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Post by dazjoe on May 8, 2024 23:08:25 GMT
I've been saying he should get another season under a proper set up for most of the season, but it's clearly way too far gone to consider that anymore.
I'm actually stunned by just how bad he's been this season. I'm not throwing the injuries at him, it may be due to the way the team plays and the coaching done in training, maybe it's not and it's just pure bad luck, and maybe it's 6 of one and half a dozen of the other, we really don't know (the likes of Newcastle have also had equally bad numbers of injured players so not like it's just United), but one of the things a manager has to do is find a way.
You've had a player sent off? You find a way to win.
You've got your 3rd choice 'keeper in goal? You find a way to win.
You're playing 5 games in 12 days? You find a way to win.
You've used 30 different defensive combinations? You find a way to win.
It, obviously, doesn't always work and you draw and lose games. But you find ways, you change things up, you show that you recognise you can't just leave things as they are and go out as you would if this were a typical BAU game, you maybe need to play a lot deeper, go to a back 5, play a false 9, push much higher up, play a diamond in midfield, play 2 holding players, go 4-4-2, etc, etc, etc. You do something different. He's just kept things the same, and seen more shots on goals than any other team in the history of the premier league (I see we're only about 10 shots away from Derby's record for most efforts at goal. So, statistically, we're the worst team in the history of the Premier league at letting opponents have efforts).
He's looked utterly clueless at how he's supposed to turn this round and change something. Poch has been the laughing stock all season yet Chelsea look 10 times the team United do, and really only a 25 goal striker has stopped them being higher up the league.
I don't know who the answer is, but he absolutely has to go this summer without any question.
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Post by Karma on May 8, 2024 23:11:55 GMT
Striped Maguire of the captaincy , froze him out practically and then did a complete turnaround to having him starting again when fit.
Sackable offence alone.
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Post by safariRed on May 9, 2024 11:09:25 GMT
Who would you sign as manager I think at this point we may need someone to get us out of the big hole we’ve dug for ourselves. So my picks won’t be popular. Tuchel
Simeone
ConteI don’t think Zidane is interested. Maybe even a punt on Inzaghi or Enrique ? This current turmoil isn’t a job for inexperience imo. Think you need to read what SJR has been saying about the process of turning the club around,deciding on a style of play and how players and managers fit within that plan. Those managers you've pointed out have no future here unless the club are going in that direction in terms of playing style, which would be ten million steps back. |
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Post by safariRed on May 9, 2024 11:39:47 GMT
At least under Tuchel we wouldn't get embarrassed every week. And he would hit the ground running . Look at what he achieved within 6 months of joining Chelsea: Champions League victory, a domestic cup final, and he also secured top 4 (Chelsea were sitting 9th in the league when Lampard was sacked). 2nd season he made top 4 again and got them to two domestic cup finals and was unlucky to be knocked out of the Champions League. His win rate at Chelsea was 60% only bested by Mourinho, Ancelotti and Conte who arguably had better squads at their disposal. His final season ended badly but that has a lot to do with Boehly having absolutely no clue what he is doing. Bayern are a team on the decline and there are issues with player power because you have a lot of senior players who have won a lot of trophies and think they know best and there is a lot of internal politics at Bayern as well. And he's in the Champions League semi finals and I wouldn't bet against him making the final. Yes the football might be uninspiring and he's a bit dull. But after Ole and Erik we could really do with a coach who can instil some tactical discipline and defensive organisation. So I think he is perfect for steadying the ship. And that is what we need while INEOS improve footballing operations behind the scene and recruit good young players. We will then be ready to give a chance to a young exciting manager and better able to identify which one will be the best fit. It's almost like he didn't take an inferior but exciting, well drilled Ajax squad deep into the CL knockouts before he joined us. Id bet my house that that Ajax squad he managed would rinse this current lot. The players he has here just cannot play together, they weren't bought with that intention they were bought to fill in the gaps and that's why any manager coming in will end up in this position if the structure above him doesn't change. Thankfully that shouldn't be an issue anymore. |
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Post by safariRed on May 9, 2024 11:42:57 GMT
Striped Maguire of the captaincy , froze him out practically and then did a complete turnaround to having him starting again when fit. Sackable offence alone. it's the managers fault for making do with what he has? you'd rather Case and Evans every week with maguire on the bench? |
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Post by mightyez on May 9, 2024 11:53:15 GMT
Striped Maguire of the captaincy , froze him out practically and then did a complete turnaround to having him starting again when fit. Sackable offence alone. it's the managers fault for making do with what he has? you'd rather Case and Evans every week with maguire on the bench? Maguire has been arguably our most consistent CB this season. He is not what we want but the man has turned up for us this season, played through injuries and chipped in with a couple of goals |
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Post by safariRed on May 9, 2024 12:39:09 GMT
it's the managers fault for making do with what he has? you'd rather Case and Evans every week with maguire on the bench? Maguire has been arguably our most consistent CB this season. He is not what we want but the man has turned up for us this season, played through injuries and chipped in with a couple of goals agreed, i can't fault Maguire this season, he was always up against it but he climbed above the noise and still gave his best for the club. i'll take a 100 Maguires than half a Sancho... |
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Post by viking22 on May 9, 2024 13:05:33 GMT
Can't fault him for bringing Maguire and Scotty back into the fold when everyone else was either injured or had lost their legs.
Everyone keeps using his Ajax team as evidence he's an amazing coach and the issue is with the players. But maybe he just had better players at Ajax that covered up the flaws in his tactics that are getting exposed here. Or maybe he is a one-trick pony as a manager who quickly realized that he couldn't play the way he did at Ajax with the players at his disposal and didn't have the tactical flexibility to come up with a different approach. Either way nothing will change if we keep him another season.
At least with someone like Conte or Tuchel they have experience managing at big clubs where they are used to coming up with different tactical approaches that suit the players they have because the expectation is for instant results.
Once we are on a more solid footing and we've recruited several good young players then we can think about a long-term project with a young innovative manager.
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Post by Kamilo on May 9, 2024 17:11:58 GMT
it's the managers fault for making do with what he has? you'd rather Case and Evans every week with maguire on the bench? Maguire has been arguably our most consistent CB this season. He is not what we want but the man has turned up for us this season, played through injuries and chipped in with a couple of goals It was unlikely and surprising but totally true. Where the fuck is bestie when you need him. |
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Post by bushy1987 on May 9, 2024 17:43:02 GMT
It took klopp a few years to get going at Liverpool, it's took arteta a few years too, pep came in and was able to buy who ever he wanted, but those three clubs seem to get it right most of the times when it comes to transfers, we have been getting it wrong for the last 10 years plus, if we are and if any manager is to have any success here that needs to be sorted, this season is a total shit show, but the options available too us imo are worse then Eth, give him next season but he has no say on transfers in or out and let's see from there, unless there is an actual decent manager available it all seems pointless, if it's Eth or Southgate then let's give Eth a new 10 year deal now.
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Post by unitedsotex on May 9, 2024 19:00:05 GMT
It took klopp a few years to get going at Liverpool, it's took arteta a few years too, pep came in and was able to buy who ever he wanted, but those three clubs seem to get it right most of the times when it comes to transfers, we have been getting it wrong for the last 10 years plus, if we are and if any manager is to have any success here that needs to be sorted, this season is a total shit show, but the options available too us imo are worse then Eth, give him next season but he has no say on transfers in or out and let's see from there, unless there is an actual decent manager available it all seems pointless, if it's Eth or Southgate then let's give Eth a new 10 year deal now. I don't want Southgate anywhere near this club so if it's him or ETH I'm choosing ETH. |
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Post by Karma on May 9, 2024 21:36:29 GMT
It took klopp a few years to get going at Liverpool, it's took arteta a few years too, pep came in and was able to buy who ever he wanted, but those three clubs seem to get it right most of the times when it comes to transfers, we have been getting it wrong for the last 10 years plus, if we are and if any manager is to have any success here that needs to be sorted, this season is a total shit show, but the options available too us imo are worse then Eth, give him next season but he has no say on transfers in or out and let's see from there, unless there is an actual decent manager available it all seems pointless, if it's Eth or Southgate then let's give Eth a new 10 year deal now. No it didn’t. 76 points in his second full season. We can laugh at him bottling the two cup finals in his first ( joined in October) but within 6 months you could see improvement in the way they played. Our football is dogshit and the injuries are a convenient excuse when the signs were there last season. Arsenal under Arteta never played football as dire as this as I recall. |
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Post by aussiegraham on May 9, 2024 22:43:31 GMT
It’s certainly a conundrum and one that I’m glad I don’t have to resolve!
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Post by alwaysUnited on May 10, 2024 6:31:06 GMT
It took klopp a few years to get going at Liverpool, it's took arteta a few years too, pep came in and was able to buy who ever he wanted, but those three clubs seem to get it right most of the times when it comes to transfers, we have been getting it wrong for the last 10 years plus, if we are and if any manager is to have any success here that needs to be sorted, this season is a total shit show, but the options available too us imo are worse then Eth, give him next season but he has no say on transfers in or out and let's see from there, unless there is an actual decent manager available it all seems pointless, if it's Eth or Southgate then let's give Eth a new 10 year deal now. The thing with all of them is you could atleast see what they were trying to do, there was clear style of football. Not that it is enough, but it was something, ETH on the other hand no one seems to have any idea what he is doing. He keeps blaming injuries but its his job to find another way or system if his first choices are not available, we keep conceding shots on goal like a relegation fighting team. |
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