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Post by Tatty on May 8, 2024 10:34:49 GMT
If it's Tuchel, see all you lads in the same thread in 12 months, yeah?
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Post by redcase on May 8, 2024 11:08:49 GMT
If it's Tuchel, see all you lads in the same thread in 12 months, yeah? I can't believe there are those clamoring for him. The first man to lose Bayern the title in a million years, outdated in style and method, not to mention all the charisma of a rotting corpse. |
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Post by viking22 on May 8, 2024 11:08:52 GMT
At least under Tuchel we wouldn't get embarrassed every week. And he would hit the ground running. Look at what he achieved within 6 months of joining Chelsea: Champions League victory, a domestic cup final, and he also secured top 4 (Chelsea were sitting 9th in the league when Lampard was sacked). 2nd season he made top 4 again and got them to two domestic cup finals and was unlucky to be knocked out of the Champions League. His win rate at Chelsea was 60% only bested by Mourinho, Ancelotti and Conte who arguably had better squads at their disposal. His final season ended badly but that has a lot to do with Boehly having absolutely no clue what he is doing. Bayern are a team on the decline and there are issues with player power because you have a lot of senior players who have won a lot of trophies and think they know best and there is a lot of internal politics at Bayern as well. And he's in the Champions League semi finals and I wouldn't bet against him making the final.
Yes the football might be uninspiring and he's a bit dull. But after Ole and Erik we could really do with a coach who can instil some tactical discipline and defensive organisation. So I think he is perfect for steadying the ship. And that is what we need while INEOS improve footballing operations behind the scene and recruit good young players. We will then be ready to give a chance to a young exciting manager and better able to identify which one will be the best fit.
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Post by redcase on May 8, 2024 11:09:50 GMT
At least under Tuchel we wouldn't get embarrassed every week. And he would hit the ground running. Look at what he achieved within 6 months of joining Chelsea: Champions League victory, a domestic cup final, and he also secured top 4 (Chelsea were sitting 9th in the league when Lampard was sacked). 2nd season he made top 4 again and got them to two domestic cup finals and was unlucky to be knocked out of the Champions League. His win rate at Chelsea was 60% only bested by Mourinho, Ancelotti and Conte who arguably had better squads at their disposal. His final season ended badly but that has a lot to do with Boehly having absolutely no clue what he is doing. Yes the football might be uninspiring and he's a bit dull. But after Ole and Erik we could really do with a coach who can instil some tactical discipline and defensive organisation. So I think he is perfect for steadying the ship. And that is what we need while INEOS improve footballing operations behind the scene and recruit good young players. We will then be ready to give a chance to a young exciting manager and better able to identify which one will be the best fit.  Almost as if he didn't get fired by the rents for being shit and just lost Bayern the league after 11 years or something. |
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Post by Tatty on May 8, 2024 11:13:43 GMT
At least under Tuchel we wouldn't get embarrassed every week. And he would hit the ground running. Look at what he achieved within 6 months of joining Chelsea: Champions League victory, a domestic cup final, and he also secured top 4 (Chelsea were sitting 9th in the league when Lampard was sacked). 2nd season he made top 4 again and got them to two domestic cup finals and was unlucky to be knocked out of the Champions League. His win rate at Chelsea was 60% only bested by Mourinho, Ancelotti and Conte who arguably had better squads at their disposal. His final season ended badly but that has a lot to do with Boehly having absolutely no clue what he is doing. Yes the football might be uninspiring and he's a bit dull. But after Ole and Erik we could really do with a coach who can instil some tactical discipline and defensive organisation. So I think he is perfect for steadying the ship. And that is what we need while INEOS improve footballing operations behind the scene and recruit good young players. We will then be ready to give a chance to a young exciting manager and better able to identify which one will be the best fit. But why hire a stop-gap Manager for a year or two, buy players he doesn't want or suit the football he plays, only to be back where we are, again, 12 months later? It's genuinely baffling. By all means Erik, probably has to go. But you might as well get someone in that INEOS actually want to build around, rather than a band aid for a bullet wound, which Tuchel will be. |
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Post by viking22 on May 8, 2024 11:17:45 GMT
Do I need to make a list of the embarrassments we have suffered under Erik?
Off the top of my head: Crystal Palace 4-0. Liverpool 7-0. Sevilla 3-0. Manchester City 6-3. Galatasaray 3-2. Copenhagen 4-3. Chelsea 4-3.
Bournemouth 3-0. Brentford 4-0. Coventry 3-3.
And I am not counting all the other narrow draws or victories against crap teams that required last minute goals from Scotty or Bruno.
And all this after taking over a team that Ole led to 2 consecutive top 4 finishes and spending £400m on players he handpicked.
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Post by viking22 on May 8, 2024 11:29:37 GMT
Tuchel would be quite happy for INEOS to take the lead on recruitment. Some of the issues at Chelsea under Boehly was because he was being pressed to make decisions on transfers. He's also very tactically flexible so would be quite capable of adapting to the players we currently have because let's face it it will take at least a few years to upgrade our squad and move on most of the current squad. And under INEOS the approach would be to bring in good young players who are quite capable of adapting to different managers.
And part of the issue is that the INEOS team isn't going to be in place until end of the summer. Berrada doesn't arrive until July. Ashworth still needs to get out of his contract which is going to arbitration. Wilcox has only been here for five minutes. So basically the idea of bringing in someone experienced and competent like Tuchel would be to steady the ship and buy INEOS some time to formulate a vision and identify the right long term candidate and that will take a lot of research and a thorough interview process.
In an ideal world we would be able to let Erik see out his contract which would give us a year to identify and interview possible replacements and develop a clear vision of the footballing style and philosophy we want and figure out the manager best aligned with that.
But unfortunately Erik has forced our hand with his utter incompetence and ineptness this season.
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Post by caino on May 8, 2024 11:38:12 GMT
If it's Tuchel, see all you lads in the same thread in 12 months, yeah? I can't believe there are those clamoring for him. The first man to lose Bayern the title in a million years, outdated in style and method, not to mention all the charisma of a rotting corpse. who would you go for ? |
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Post by bushy1987 on May 8, 2024 12:38:56 GMT
If we are being a serious football club, and hiring the right men behind the scenes, then let's actually do it properly for once, identify who we want, how we want to play and get someone who fits and is inline with the clubs ethos, this stop gap and hiring the wrong guy has been our biggest problem, let's try to not make the same mistakes again.
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Post by Karma on May 8, 2024 12:49:58 GMT
If it's Tuchel, see all you lads in the same thread in 12 months, yeah? If it’s Southgate the same. |
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Post by Tatty on May 8, 2024 13:00:27 GMT
If it's Tuchel, see all you lads in the same thread in 12 months, yeah? If it’s Southgate the same. If it's Southgate, I'll be calling on everyone here to be a character witness after my murder spree. |
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Post by ratbag on May 8, 2024 14:08:19 GMT
i wouldnt be against Tuchel . he went toe to toe with pep and klopp and won the champions league with an inferior squad Well we certainly have one of those!! 😂 |
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Post by redcase on May 8, 2024 14:13:34 GMT
I can't believe there are those clamoring for him. The first man to lose Bayern the title in a million years, outdated in style and method, not to mention all the charisma of a rotting corpse. who would you go for ? Well, you know who I would go for, and who I believe we must make every effort to sign  Who could be available? That's another story. Honestly I'm thinking may as well go with Motta, or someone else left field. It seems players these days only get along with coaches if they have an unbeatable resume as a coach, or were high performing players themselves. These fucking primadonnas these days cannot be controlled by people like Ten Hag who have a nothing resume besides winning nothing trophies in the Netherlands. We also need a clear out of such proportion that no manager should come near this festering mess unless promised with massive funds and instant removal of toxic elements from the squad. There are players here whose mere presence is a fucking anchor on progress. The clear-out and fresh blood has to happen simultaneously if I'm honest, under a DoF. Ratcliffe has so much to do that I don't envy him. |
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Post by viking22 on May 8, 2024 14:16:16 GMT
Agree in principle. Problem is all of this cannot be done in a matter of months. Especially as Ashworth and Berrada are still on gardening leave. I am sure the original plan was to let Erik see out his contract which would give us a year to identify a suitable replacement. But clearly we cannot let Erik do any more damage and he's losing the dressing room and lashing out and we are in a death spiral. Another year of Erik and we will end up midtable with an injury list a mile long and any manager with any sense won't want to go near us. So that is why I am in favour of giving a steady pair of hands like Tuchel a few years which will buy INEOS time to figure out their vision for the club and line up a manager who can help them achieve it. I understand the concerns about a stop gap recruiting the wrong players. But under the new structure the manager isn't going to have much input into who we sign and therefore it is less of a worry and we will sign good young players who can adapt under different managers. As I said it is a shame it has come to this. We tried to give Erik the benefit of the doubt and hoped things would get better. But they are getting worse and worse every week and he is turning us into a laughing stock. If we are being a serious football club, and hiring the right men behind the scenes, then let's actually do it properly for once, identify who we want, how we want to play and get someone who fits and is inline with the clubs ethos, this stop gap and hiring the wrong guy has been our biggest problem, let's try to not make the same mistakes again. |
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Post by Karma on May 8, 2024 17:12:18 GMT
If it’s Southgate the same. If it's Southgate, I'll be calling on everyone here to be a character witness after my murder spree. I’m doing a Bestie until he gets sacked if it happens. I’d be even more than a Debbie downer than usual. Surely they can’t think the majority of the fans would be on board with that absolute spoofer ? 🤮 |
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