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Post by Karma on Jan 2, 2024 12:35:42 GMT
No poll, just who do you want and why ?
The state we’re in now unfortunately we do need a quick fix because this situation is absolutely dire.
Unfortunately many won’t agree but we need some one these morons will respect before the majority need turfing out.
As Anchellotti has signed a new deal he’s off the table, Potter would be eaten alive here so there’s only one guy who’s out of contract and has a decent CV of actually winning something.
Our fans don’t have the appetite to shift the Glazers , so this is the bed we’ve made until we stumble across our version of Klopp.
Conte on a short term contract and a brutal culling of the squad.
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Post by dsilvaxx2 on Jan 2, 2024 18:29:35 GMT
The real question should be who would want to come in and deal with this squad along with the uncertainty of a new owner. Having said that if I could call Door Dash and have them pick up a manager to bring into the club that’s not named Pep it would be…. Simeone.
There are a lot of reasons for my opinion, number one is the guy is a winner and knows the game inside and out. Former international player who has managed clubs in different countries. He can make tactical changes during the match and instills great metal discipline in his players……my first choice.
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Post by Stretty on Jan 2, 2024 18:43:18 GMT
Hard to say until the SJR thing is sorted.
This time we need to build from the top down but I can’t see ETH bringing back the glory days even if we had city’s owners.
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Post by viking22 on Jan 2, 2024 19:41:29 GMT
I would rather we take our time and try to make the right appointment in the summer. We can start sounding out potential candidates. But ultimately we should have a professional recruitment process ideally with the new footballing director involved as well as Jean-Claude Blanc and SJR.
There is no point sacking Erik at this point and appointing some kind of caretaker manager. This season is a write-off. We aren't making top 4. We aren't getting relegated. So does it really matter where we finish? And there are a lot of benefits from not having to play Europa League football next season.
As for the summer I would be looking for someone who:
-Is comfortable working within a structure where he won't have full control over transfers
-Can get us playing better football right away rather than requiring years to assemble a squad that can understand his philosophy and follow his system
-Is pragmatic and tactically flexible and able to workaround the squad deficiencies
-Is good at developing young players
-Has some Premier League experience because there is always a certain risk hiring foreign managers without prior Premier League experience.
-Is charismatic and confident and can motivate the players. We've had two self-styled disciplinarians in Ralf and Erik and they got nowhere. Better to hire someone likeable that players enjoy playing for
De Zerbi seems to tick quite a few of those boxes and would be my choice. OK he hasn't won anything outside of the Ukrainian league. But you wouldn't expect him to with the clubs he has managed and he's at least had to work his way up and if we have competent experienced football people around him he can learn on the job to some extent.
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Post by Yusef on Jan 2, 2024 21:00:46 GMT
The attraction of De Zerbi is that his football tactics are actually quite simple and don't require world class players to make it click.
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Post by Stretty on Jan 2, 2024 21:39:48 GMT
The attraction of De Zerbi is that his football tactics are actually quite simple and don't require world class players to make it click. he sounds perfect because we don’t have any bar a couple of over the hill ones. |
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Post by alwaysUnited on Jan 3, 2024 11:14:30 GMT
I would rather we take our time and try to make the right appointment in the summer. We can start sounding out potential candidates. But ultimately we should have a professional recruitment process ideally with the new footballing director involved as well as Jean-Claude Blanc and SJR. There is no point sacking Erik at this point and appointing some kind of caretaker manager. This season is a write-off. We aren't making top 4. We aren't getting relegated. So does it really matter where we finish? And there are a lot of benefits from not having to play Europa League football next season. As for the summer I would be looking for someone who: -Is comfortable working within a structure where he won't have full control over transfers -Can get us playing better football right away rather than requiring years to assemble a squad that can understand his philosophy and follow his system -Is pragmatic and tactically flexible and able to workaround the squad deficiencies -Is good at developing young players -Has some Premier League experience because there is always a certain risk hiring foreign managers without prior Premier League experience. -Is charismatic and confident and can motivate the players. We've had two self-styled disciplinarians in Ralf and Erik and they got nowhere. Better to hire someone likeable that players enjoy playing for De Zerbi seems to tick quite a few of those boxes and would be my choice. OK he hasn't won anything outside of the Ukrainian league. But you wouldn't expect him to with the clubs he has managed and he's at least had to work his way up and if we have competent experienced football people around him he can learn on the job to some extent. Roberto De Zerbi: 'I don't work to win trophies, my target is to enjoy and be happy' Roberto De Zerbi on qualifying for Europa league - "This is more prestigious than winning the Premier League with one of the big-six teams" We have been here before , managers who play nice football, occasionally cause some upset wins and finish midtable consistently. The idea is they will kick on with better resources and win trophies. It almost never happens. |
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Post by viking22 on Jan 3, 2024 11:52:29 GMT
Not sure who you are referring to.
Moyes never played nice football. At best you can say it is functional and effective with hard working teams like Everton and West Ham. And he was too old and stubborn to adapt and rise up to the challenge. Instead he installed his old backroom team and tried to turn us into Everton.
De Zerbi gets his teams playing a brand of football which would sit well in much bigger teams. And he is right that he is achieving amazing things with Brighton. Last season he got them finishing 6th in the league and a penalty shootout away from the League Cup final. This season even after losing their entire midfield they are in 7th place and ahead of us on goal difference. He is also young enough that he can make the step up to a big club. And as the rebuild will take some time we can give him a year or two to learn on the job. And he will get plenty of support from experienced football people that we will appoint within our new structure.
We need to face reality. A big name manager isn't going to want to touch us. And would only consider it if they were given lots of money to spend and a lot of control.
We need to move away from that model and go for something more long term and sustainable.
So long as there is some progress under De Zerbi then when the club is in better shape and less of a laughing stock and a suitable big name manager becomes available we can get an upgrade. But right now no big name manager is going to want to touch us unless he is given a huge amount of money to spend and a huge amount of control which is incompatible with the structure we are trying to move towards. And we don't want someone who comes in, targets short term success, but ultimately leaves us in a much worse state.
We want someone who is prepared to work under a more data-driven transfer approach with heavy involvement from a transfer chief and DOF and develop young players and build a team.
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Post by ratbag on Jan 3, 2024 14:15:49 GMT
De Zerbi seems to be the obvious answer...
...probably available and does seem to have a discernible style of play...
But so did ETH before he came to this shitshow of a club...
I do still wonder that if he was to take a back seat on recruitment and was given the right kind of players, could ETH still get us where we want to be...
How can you go from the hottest young manager in Europe to a failure in just 18 short months?
Only United can do this both to players and managers...
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Post by Karma on Jan 3, 2024 15:05:24 GMT
De Zerbi seems to be the obvious answer... ...probably available and does seem to have a discernible style of play... But so did ETH before he came to this shitshow of a club... I do still wonder that if he was to take a back seat on recruitment and was given the right kind of players, could ETH still get us where we want to be... How can you go from the hottest young manager in Europe to a failure in just 18 short months? Only United can do this both to players and managers... Eric hasn’t helped himself. It goes right back to Ronaldo. Dog shit replacement. Followed by some half arsed attempt to improve the forward line last summer, fooled into thinking Rashford was going to repeat the previous season and Martial is still here. Instead of looking at the diminishing goals De Gea became the scapegoat, his replacement no upgrade. It’s almost like he’s made every mistake possible and the football is worse than any previous manager has managed. |
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Post by Stew on Jan 3, 2024 16:16:14 GMT
I would rather we take our time and try to make the right appointment in the summer. We can start sounding out potential candidates. But ultimately we should have a professional recruitment process ideally with the new footballing director involved as well as Jean-Claude Blanc and SJR. There is no point sacking Erik at this point and appointing some kind of caretaker manager. This season is a write-off. We aren't making top 4. We aren't getting relegated. So does it really matter where we finish? And there are a lot of benefits from not having to play Europa League football next season. As for the summer I would be looking for someone who: -Is comfortable working within a structure where he won't have full control over transfers -Can get us playing better football right away rather than requiring years to assemble a squad that can understand his philosophy and follow his system -Is pragmatic and tactically flexible and able to workaround the squad deficiencies -Is good at developing young players -Has some Premier League experience because there is always a certain risk hiring foreign managers without prior Premier League experience. -Is charismatic and confident and can motivate the players. We've had two self-styled disciplinarians in Ralf and Erik and they got nowhere. Better to hire someone likeable that players enjoy playing for De Zerbi seems to tick quite a few of those boxes and would be my choice. OK he hasn't won anything outside of the Ukrainian league. But you wouldn't expect him to with the clubs he has managed and he's at least had to work his way up and if we have competent experienced football people around him he can learn on the job to some extent. Roberto De Zerbi: 'I don't work to win trophies, my target is to enjoy and be happy' Roberto De Zerbi on qualifying for Europa league - "This is more prestigious than winning the Premier League with one of the big-six teams" We have been here before , managers who play nice football, occasionally cause some upset wins and finish midtable consistently. The idea is they will kick on with better resources and win trophies. It almost never happens. In the last ten years, 2 out of 30 trophies available in England have been won by teams outside the Big 6. So what is De Zerbi supposed to win at Brighton exactly? |
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Post by alwaysUnited on Jan 3, 2024 17:39:54 GMT
Roberto De Zerbi: 'I don't work to win trophies, my target is to enjoy and be happy' Roberto De Zerbi on qualifying for Europa league - "This is more prestigious than winning the Premier League with one of the big-six teams" We have been here before , managers who play nice football, occasionally cause some upset wins and finish midtable consistently. The idea is they will kick on with better resources and win trophies. It almost never happens. In the last ten years, 2 out of 30 trophies available in England have been won by teams outside the Big 6. So what is De Zerbi supposed to win at Brighton exactly? It kind if shows his small time mentality imo. Ole got a lot of criticism for his 'Trophies are for ego' comment and rightly so. These quotes from De Zerbi are not much different. Maybe iam bit too sceptical of managers like him after Ole and Moyes. Although his teams do play much better football , but so did Ten Hag's Ajax, look at him now. |
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Post by alwaysUnited on Jan 3, 2024 18:16:35 GMT
Not sure who you are referring to. Moyes never played nice football. At best you can say it is functional and effective with hard working teams like Everton and West Ham. And he was too old and stubborn to adapt and rise up to the challenge. Instead he installed his old backroom team and tried to turn us into Everton. De Zerbi gets his teams playing a brand of football which would sit well in much bigger teams. And he is right that he is achieving amazing things with Brighton. Last season he got them finishing 6th in the league and a penalty shootout away from the League Cup final. This season even after losing their entire midfield they are in 7th place and ahead of us on goal difference. He is also young enough that he can make the step up to a big club. And as the rebuild will take some time we can give him a year or two to learn on the job. And he will get plenty of support from experienced football people that we will appoint within our new structure. We need to face reality. A big name manager isn't going to want to touch us. And would only consider it if they were given lots of money to spend and a lot of control. We need to move away from that model and go for something more long term and sustainable. So long as there is some progress under De Zerbi then when the club is in better shape and less of a laughing stock and a suitable big name manager becomes available we can get an upgrade. But right now no big name manager is going to want to touch us unless he is given a huge amount of money to spend and a huge amount of control which is incompatible with the structure we are trying to move towards. And we don't want someone who comes in, targets short term success, but ultimately leaves us in a much worse state. We want someone who is prepared to work under a more data-driven transfer approach with heavy involvement from a transfer chief and DOF and develop young players and build a team. Ten Hag was all these things-Playing excellent football, overachieving with Ajax, working well within a system , clear style of play , setting up Ajax for long term success with all those young players. He is failing right now to step up at United. I think we United fans need to move away from this feel good tale of someone like Fergie coming in rebuilding the club back to full glory. Look at the successful clubs in last 10 years. We have city and PSG obviously with the oil money then we have Chelsea,Bayern and Real - they are not obsessed with any philosophy or developing young players or long term managers. Other than Klopp and Pep who are two of the best in the world every club has gone through many managers in recent times. |
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Post by mightyez on Jan 4, 2024 14:27:34 GMT
before any change is made the structure needs to be sorted out.
CEO
DOF and or head of recruitment
get rid of those that are just earning a wage
clearout squad deadwood especially seniors and rotten eggs
Managerial review is last on that list. Push come to shove just simply tell ETH he like everyone else is under review, he should be mature enough to realise the results are woeful and it needs looking at
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Post by ratbag on Jan 4, 2024 15:28:40 GMT
before any change is made the structure needs to be sorted out. CEO DOF and or head of recruitment get rid of those that are just earning a wage clearout squad deadwood especially seniors and rotten eggs Managerial review is last on that list. Push come to shove just simply tell ETH he like everyone else is under review, he should be mature enough to realise the results are woeful and it needs looking at This… |
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