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Post by dazjoe on May 27, 2024 22:52:52 GMT
Anchellotti also sucked at Bayern. Presumably you’re turning him down too then ? What you on about? He had priors plus he won the Bundesliga. No comparison So also winning the Bundesliga (which Tuchel did) and winning titles and the Champions League don't count as "priors"? I mean, I'm not exactly pro Tuchel but to basically write off his career and achievements because of one poor season? Really?
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Post by alt on May 28, 2024 7:35:40 GMT
What a difference a result makes. Had we lost 4-0 on Saturday there would barely be a positive comment on him in here. Someone mentioned the Brighton game and that being a positive as a trial run for the final or some bollocks, we could and probably should have been at least 2 or 3 nil down at halftime in that game.
One good result does not outweigh the shite we've been served all season. He does not deserve another season.
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Post by bushy1987 on May 28, 2024 8:02:33 GMT
What manager is available that is better then Eth at this moment in time? Going of titles won big clubs managed ect? For me it's only tuchel but the baggage he brings and then the fire that comes at the end imo isn't worth it.
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Post by harvindhillon on May 28, 2024 8:17:53 GMT
What you on about? He had priors plus he won the Bundesliga. No comparison So also winning the Bundesliga (which Tuchel did) and winning titles and the Champions League don't count as "priors"? I mean, I'm not exactly pro Tuchel but to basically write off his career and achievements because of one poor season? Really? With Tuchel we'll be here within a year calling for his head. Failed at PSG and Bayern and one CL with Chelsea
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Post by harvindhillon on May 28, 2024 8:18:58 GMT
What manager is available that is better then Eth at this moment in time? Going of titles won big clubs managed ect? For me it's only tuchel but the baggage he brings and then the fire that comes at the end imo isn't worth it. Exactly Mourinho 2.0 then back to square 1 and a rebuild bullshit
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Post by safariRed on May 28, 2024 8:30:07 GMT
What a difference a result makes. Had we lost 4-0 on Saturday there would barely be a positive comment on him in here. Someone mentioned the Brighton game and that being a positive as a trial run for the final or some bollocks, we could and probably should have been at least 2 or 3 nil down at halftime in that game. One good result does not outweigh the shite we've been served all season. He does not deserve another season. do you believe ETH is holding this squad back in its current form?
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Post by Kojak on May 28, 2024 9:15:59 GMT
What a difference a result makes. Had we lost 4-0 on Saturday there would barely be a positive comment on him in here. Someone mentioned the Brighton game and that being a positive as a trial run for the final or some bollocks, we could and probably should have been at least 2 or 3 nil down at halftime in that game. One good result does not outweigh the shite we've been served all season. He does not deserve another season. That was me and surely you can see that there was logic behind the starting 11 against Brighton given that was the template for how we played against City? He could’ve started Rasmus, but he had no intention of starting him against City so he didn’t. The result against Brighton wasn’t important to him as much as seeing Bruno in that false 9 role and the box midfield. We still had Casemiro at CB against Brighton, with Martinez recovering fitness next to him. The point is we weren’t nearly 2 or 3 down against City. Maybe he looked at the flaws against Brighton and did some more coaching on that shape through the week? Not really arsed about what you think of ETH. I’ve made this point about the Brighton game but I also don’t really mind if we sack him. But my point on the Brighton game isn’t bollocks is it. It’s literally what the manager has done, it was sensible and deserves a nod.
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Post by viking22 on May 28, 2024 10:05:31 GMT
Who bloody cares about the Brighton game? Erik certainly didn't. He took full advantage of the fact that City still hadn't secured the title while we were out of the running for top 4 and used Brighton as a dress rehearsal for the FA Cup final. And he knew that if he won the FA Cup he'd get Europa League football so it didn't really matter where we finished if his tactical masterplan came off. And the man cares about winning trophies first and foremost and pulled himself out of his depression and decided he would go out with his head held high. Besides we beat Brighton so he got away with it.
And his calculated risk came off because we were by far the better prepared team in the final and Pep was tactically outclassed to the extent that he resorted to lower league tactics (give the ball to the pacy wide player and hope he beats his man and gets a good cross in for the big lad to get on the end of). The City players were so rattled they lost their heads and tried to pick a fight with the Butcher. And then more humiliation as they collected their runners up medals that will be a constant reminder they were second best on the day and were forced to give us a guard of honour and watch us celebrate.
And maybe it is just one game. But it was our biggest game of the season facing our bitter rivals who cheated their way to becoming one of the best teams in the world managed by a guy who almost never loses cup finals.
And winning trophies is what keeps us relevant as a big club and makes players want to join us. Players care about who the manager is when they join a club. They want to play for coaches like Jose, Ancelotti, Conte, Pep, Tuchel because they want to win trophies. And Erik belongs to that category with 2 trophies in 2 seasons with a team that is a shadow of its former self. Football careers are short and at any time can be cut even shorter by injury. So it is difficult to sell a 5 year project and a young inexperienced manager who will hopefully grow into the role. But it is an easy sell to point to the 2 trophies we've won in the last 2 seasons and say that with the new structure recruitment is going to improve and we will upgrade the squad so that Erik can win even more trophies and do you want to help him do that?
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Post by Stew on May 28, 2024 16:25:03 GMT
I do think INEOS are being clever by letting the air out of things for a while. And I can absolutely see both sides of the argument. It’s a tricky situation to be sure.
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Post by kingkobbie on May 28, 2024 17:18:23 GMT
What manager is available that is better then Eth at this moment in time? Going of titles won big clubs managed ect? For me it's only tuchel but the baggage he brings and then the fire that comes at the end imo isn't worth it. Exactly Mourinho 2.0 then back to square 1 and a rebuild bullshit Think this is a bit unfair to Tuchel. He is generally regarded as a brilliant tactician by his peers and has won wherever he has managed. He has taken three different teams to the CL semis and beaten Pep in the CL final. The fact that he has disagreed with management at various clubs isn't necessarily a knock against him, in my view. The executives at PSG are not well regarded. At Chelsea, he did well under Abromavich, had to deal with the change of ownership, and is it really a knock against him that he didn't get along with Boehly? And at Bayern, the executives that recruited and hired him were sacked 2 months after he was appointed -- and he did win the Bundesliga and this year lost to a team that was historically great. If Ten Hag goes, I think he's the clear choice.
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Post by harvindhillon on May 28, 2024 18:29:56 GMT
Exactly Mourinho 2.0 then back to square 1 and a rebuild bullshit Think this is a bit unfair to Tuchel. He is generally regarded as a brilliant tactician by his peers and has won wherever he has managed. He has taken three different teams to the CL semis and beaten Pep in the CL final. The fact that he has disagreed with management at various clubs isn't necessarily a knock against him, in my view. The executives at PSG are not well regarded. At Chelsea, he did well under Abromavich, had to deal with the change of ownership, and is it really a knock against him that he didn't get along with Boehly? And at Bayern, the executives that recruited and hired him were sacked 2 months after he was appointed -- and he did win the Bundesliga and this year lost to a team that was historically great. If Ten Hag goes, I think he's the clear choice. He hasnt lasted more than 2 years and has been burning bridges everywhere since Mainz
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Post by viking22 on May 29, 2024 18:30:36 GMT
"For anyone who was around in the 90s the idea Jason Wilcox would one day, without ever having been a manager, have total control of the style of football to be played in every Man Utd team from youth to first team seems quite surreal"
This made me laugh from a random account on twitter.
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Post by alwaysUnited on May 30, 2024 4:34:42 GMT
"For anyone who was around in the 90s the idea Jason Wilcox would one day, without ever having been a manager, have total control of the style of football to be played in every Man Utd team from youth to first team seems quite surreal" This made me laugh from a random account on twitter. Iam little bit surprised people have so much faith in this guy or even Ashworth. What really have they done in their career to show these are the guys who can overthrow Abu dhabi backed city domination. Its initial days and better than glazers running things obviously , but all these reports coming out about INEOS seems so lacking in ambition - only young players under 25 , no super stars/galacticos , bunch of nobody managers.
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Post by redcase on May 30, 2024 6:42:28 GMT
"For anyone who was around in the 90s the idea Jason Wilcox would one day, without ever having been a manager, have total control of the style of football to be played in every Man Utd team from youth to first team seems quite surreal" This made me laugh from a random account on twitter. Out of whose arse are you pulling this nonsense from? The same source who told you that Shearer and Lineker in their primes wouldn't go toe to toe with Varane Lisandro and Evans? "Wilcox will work with all technical areas of the football department to "achieve the highest standards of performance", the Old Trafford club said in a statement." He is involved in performance and technical areas. It is to maximise player performance and standards. All of which are fucking ABYSMAL at this moment. Have you seen Carrington? There are University campuses with better facilities. He would have very minimal involvement in "style of football". All that is still on a manager who in 2 years doesn't have one. You know what's surreal? To suddenly jump behind a guy you wanted gone in the summer, because of a one-off cup result. It's equally surreal to want the same guy who has spent nigh on 200-300 million on talent ranging from dogshit to average, to continue having final say on transfers without no oversight. That's fucking surreal to me.
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Post by redcase on May 30, 2024 6:47:42 GMT
"For anyone who was around in the 90s the idea Jason Wilcox would one day, without ever having been a manager, have total control of the style of football to be played in every Man Utd team from youth to first team seems quite surreal" This made me laugh from a random account on twitter. Iam little bit surprised people have so much faith in this guy or even Ashworth. What really have they done in their career to show these are the guys who can overthrow Abu dhabi backed city domination. Its initial days and better than glazers running things obviously , but all these reports coming out about INEOS seems so lacking in ambition - only young players under 25 , no super stars/galacticos , bunch of nobody managers. Because all of these approaches have worked wonders for us in the past decade? Because United as a club are in a position to outspend a state-funded enterprise which is entirely fraudulent? Because you still want to throw money at everything without having a foundation to build on? I wanted a Sheikh to take us over as well believe me. But I am fucking sure that Sheikh would first come in and fix the rotting core of this bloated Be'elzebub rather than spend money on players. Some of the shit I read here
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