New Manager

[caino]

PN that a decision will not be made on his own future until it's known who the manager will be next season. [@robdawsonespn]


Wouldn’t surprise me if that’s Bruno and I don’t blame him or anyone else not committing until they know a plan

[viking22]

Luckily most of our key players (Bruno, Martinez, Mainoo, Garnacho, Hojlund) are under contract until 2027/2028. The one advantage of the Glazers mania for preserving value.

But if we appoint Southgate it will seriously hinder our ability to attract top young talent to the club. Young ambitious players would line up to play under Tuchel or Pochettino and Erik has a good reputation for developing youngsters at Ajax and has brought through Mainoo and Garnacho for us. But if you were young and talented would you entrust your development to Southgate?

And we aren't finishing top 4 or winning anything with Southgate in charge so no Champions League football and no trophies will also put players off.

[Kojak]

Jun 10, 2024 18:46:13 GMT DedRevil said:

We're like Todd Boehly, but worse AND with no money.

If we appoint Southgate, there's a genuine question to be asked...

Did the Glazers make one single decision worse than that?

Moyes.

[Chris]

Southgate has said that if he doesn't win the Euro's, he will probably quit.

It's happening isn't it.

[redcase]

Jun 11, 2024 8:36:19 GMT Chris said:

Southgate has said that if he doesn't win the Euro's, he will probably quit.

It's happening isn't it.

I wonder - are fans going to do the usual topred and bAcK thE MaNAgEr or will there be any feelings vented over it? IF it does happen of course.

[Chris]

Jun 11, 2024 8:38:16 GMT redcase said:

Jun 11, 2024 8:36:19 GMT Chris said:

Southgate has said that if he doesn't win the Euro's, he will probably quit.

It's happening isn't it.

I wonder - are fans going to do the usual topred and bAcK thE MaNAgEr or will there be any feelings vented over it? IF it does happen of course.

On this one, surely it’s a no. I’ll be against him from the start and I don’t like saying that. He would fail.

[bushy1987]

I hope they announce in a week or so that Eth is staying and then he immediately comes out and resigns, this has turned into an absolute shit show and doesn't fill me with confidence going forward.

[juanveron]

What are we missing? What the hell could make anyone think Southgate is a good manager?

[viking22]

Southgate had a 25.4% win rate as a Premier League manager. He took a mid-table team and within a few seasons got them relegated. And that was the extent of his club management experience. And it was 15 years ago. Unfortunately memories in football are short and a lot of young fans probably don't remember how bad he was in club football. And most of the players probably won't either and will judge his appointment principally based on what they remember of his time as England manager.

And he has done a decent job for England. His win rate is over 60% which has been bested only by Capello and he's had quite a bit of luck in avoiding big teams early in the competition and as a result has made the semis and finals and quarter finals. He's also had a great PR machine behind him.

But international football is a different ballgame. The issue with previous generations of England players is they let their club rivalries spill over and didn't bond as a team and they also struggled with the weight of the nation's expectations. When Southgate took over expectation were a lot lower. Club rivalries were far less heated which made it easier for players to bond. he also benefited massively from the media deciding to back the players and manager rather than tearing them down. Southgate did a good job encouraging all of this with team-building events such as pool parties with inflatable unicorns and his sincerity appealed to many people and his touchy-feely management style meshed well with modern snowflakes. And as mentioned in the international competitions he got quite lucky with the draw avoiding the big team until the semis or finals. But just like all his predecessors as soon as he came up against a big team he lost. He also draws heavily on a strong coaching setup at England which compensates in part for his inadequacies although even then he cannot help himself in setting England up too cautiously. And because in international football you only get to spend a relatively limited amount of time with your players it means that man-management/team spirit is more important than coaching and tactics especially when as England manager you have a squad of higher quality than most of the teams you face during qualifying and in international competitions. 

So unfortunately I think that INEOS and a significant minority of the fanbase will have to find out the hard way that he will fail badly.

[viking22]

Strachan has hit the nail on the head:

“To get to this stage where the season finished a couple of weeks ago, I think that's enough time to decide whether you want ten Hag to continue in the job next season. The silence is deafening. Everyone will know that he doesn’t have the full backing of the club and that undermines you as a manager. I’m surprised that the club have let this drag on. I think that says everything about where Man United are at the moment that they are incapable of making this decision. They can’t make this decision after two weeks.”

[mightyez]

The silence to the media is deafening, the silence to the fans is painful but not one person knows if they have been silent to ETH.
People are coming out making up stuff on the basis of how they see things or on the basis of what they would do.

Do I think they have had long enough to make a decision on the manger? Yes. It's not just 2 weeks, it's since they came in.

What I would say is that INEOS know when it comes to the manager, player sales and purchases, they really can't afford to get it wrong.
The managerial decision is far far too important to get wrong, I don't want them taking more time but if they need it to make the right decision then I am ready to afford them that.

Gareth Southgate talks very well and there is no doubt that he has done good things at England but that's as far as it goes, he is not a Manchester United manager, INEOS have to realise that whilst they should not make decisions based on what fans will think, this is one decision that if they make and it goes wrong, they will be absolutely ruined.
All goodwill etc goes out the window, the fanbase will be completely united in this along with the media.

Lastly for anyone thinking ETH will walk, I think he has £9 million reasons not to.

[redcase]

How can it take this long to make a decision? What a fucking novice Ratcliffe seems to be.

[Stew]

As much as it pains me to say it, England have incredible strength in depth and are on a par with France when it comes to talent in Europe. Anything other than a final appearance should be regarded as failure. In a similar fashion to Deschamps, no serious club would appoint him based on what he’s achieved at national level. And at least Deschamps has some silverware to back him m up.

[Stretty]

Jun 11, 2024 9:43:07 GMT juanveron said:

What are we missing? What the hell could make anyone think Southgate is a good manager?

He’s the mason mount of managers.

seems a decent bloke and has the odd good moment but other than that he’s bang average(I’m probably doing a disservice to mount tbh but i didn’t want mount and I don’t want Southgate).

[Karma]

Jun 11, 2024 15:48:05 GMT Stretty said:

Jun 11, 2024 9:43:07 GMT juanveron said:

What are we missing? What the hell could make anyone think Southgate is a good manager?

He’s the mason mount of managers.

seems a decent bloke and has the odd good moment but other than that he’s bang average(I’m probably doing a disservice to mount tbh but i didn’t want mount and I don’t want Southgate).

The recent team photo should have been an all beige assemble in homage to the manager.
In fact concrete grey is more fitting.