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Post by seanie on Aug 6, 2024 11:57:51 GMT
We were talking about a Sancho-Ugarte swap on here before the papers were reporting on it. I brought it up over a month ago as a hope, but since then it has had some traction at least in reports. I still believe that makes huge amount of sense for both parties.
We will never get our money back on Sancho and neither will PSG on Ugarte if they stay. They have too many deep lying mids and we have too many wide forwards and 10's. Sancho would suit their style more than ours and same with Ugarte.
They both get under 24 top assets. I don't understand why deals like that don't get done more often, but I am guessing PSG need cash, which is hard to believe but hey FFP and all that same with us.
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Post by seanie on Aug 6, 2024 12:13:03 GMT
PSG held initial talks with Manchester United over signing of Jadon Sancho. Discussions over the conditions of potential deal. Sancho could be open to move - personal terms not expected to be problem. Dialogue open between clubs as they have discussed Manuel Ugarte. #MUFC #PSG
That's today from Darmesh Sheth Sky Sports.
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Post by Stew on Aug 6, 2024 12:54:05 GMT
Quite a few of us wanted Robertson after he was relegated with Hull. Most could see his qualities but there were a couple of ‘if he’s so good why did Hull go down?’ posts.
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Post by mightyez on Aug 6, 2024 15:02:39 GMT
the fee for Berge if that's who we want is the key for me. £20 million or less is more than reasonable, as said the trump card can be Hannibal albeit he has been linked with rangers and Celtic. I'd like to believe that he would be a starter there and will get the games needed to kick on, we in return get a DM.
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Post by viking22 on Aug 6, 2024 15:46:16 GMT
I'd be fine with loaning them Collyer. It would toughen him up and he'd get a lot more gametime than he would for us. And it would sweeten the pot and give them a readymade replacement which would help negotiate the fee down.
If signing Berge for around £20m means we can afford De Ligt then Martinez can provide occasional cover at CDM. But it probably won't be needed because Berge is pretty bulletproof. He featured in 37 Premier League games for Burnley last season which is pretty good going.
Then next season depending on Collyer's progress on loan and how well Berge does for us we can decide what profile of midfielder to sign next summer.
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Post by seanie on Aug 6, 2024 15:49:55 GMT
You are all convincing yourselves that second tier bargain bucket is good enough now. I suppose the other side to it is, our midfield is so shit and jaded that it is an upgrade!
I said it last year apart from Kobbie, we have one of the worst midfield in the PL. A mixture of past it and poor technical footballers. That's why we were run ragged for most of the year, but still managed to have a better GA than the 4 above us. The defense actually did their best considering
They are going to overspend on defense and completely miss the point on midfield!
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Post by Stew on Aug 6, 2024 15:54:32 GMT
You are all convincing yourselves that second tier bargain bucket is good enough now. I suppose the other side to it is, our midfield is so shit and jaded that it is an upgrade! I said it last year apart from Kobbie, we have one of the worst midfield in the PL. A mixture of past it and poor technical footballers. That's why we were run ragged for most of the year, but still managed to have a better GA than the 4 above us. The defense actually did their best considering They are going to overspend on defense and completely miss the point on midfield! When you said it last year, did anyone disagree with you?
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Post by alwaysUnited on Aug 6, 2024 17:49:43 GMT
Just pay the money and get Ugarte in. No more compromising on quality.
We saw how much impact a world class DM had when Casemiro came. That should be the standard from now on.
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Post by mightyez on Aug 6, 2024 20:38:00 GMT
From Phil de bruin:
Unlike previous years, Utd are very willing sellers this summer. They want to bring in more players, they know they need too but selling players with a year to go on their contracts is not that easy or lucrative. A number of Utd players negotiated a clause in their contract that if the club extended their contract by a year to protect resale value, the player gets half of the fee. None of this is INEOS’s fault, they are trying to clean up a mess they inherited but there are many different factors why Utd can’t sell as well as other clubs.
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Post by johnboy14 on Aug 6, 2024 21:02:33 GMT
From Phil de bruin: Unlike previous years, Utd are very willing sellers this summer. They want to bring in more players, they know they need too but selling players with a year to go on their contracts is not that easy or lucrative. A number of Utd players negotiated a clause in their contract that if the club extended their contract by a year to protect resale value, the player gets half of the fee. None of this is INEOS’s fault, they are trying to clean up a mess they inherited but there are many different factors why Utd can’t sell as well as other clubs. Sounds unbelievable but it's utd. Absolutely possible.
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Post by dazjoe on Aug 6, 2024 21:24:07 GMT
From Phil de bruin: Unlike previous years, Utd are very willing sellers this summer. They want to bring in more players, they know they need too but selling players with a year to go on their contracts is not that easy or lucrative. A number of Utd players negotiated a clause in their contract that if the club extended their contract by a year to protect resale value, the player gets half of the fee. None of this is INEOS’s fault, they are trying to clean up a mess they inherited but there are many different factors why Utd can’t sell as well as other clubs. Fully believable knowing the asshats in charge of the club. For people obsessed with money they really have absolutely no clue about business at all. Can't blame any player for digging their heels in then and demanding money to go, also can't blame other clubs not wanting to pay over the top for our cast offs just because we owe the player half of it. We're years away from sorting this shit out, I'm seeing people slagging off Ineos already for Casemiro/Sancho/McTominay still being at the club, and/or a midfielder not signed (not necessarily on here, just elsewhere in the wonderful web), honestly, they need about 5 years before they get judged for me, because they've inherited the worst run big club in the world.
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Post by mightyez on Aug 6, 2024 21:45:48 GMT
From Phil de bruin: Unlike previous years, Utd are very willing sellers this summer. They want to bring in more players, they know they need too but selling players with a year to go on their contracts is not that easy or lucrative. A number of Utd players negotiated a clause in their contract that if the club extended their contract by a year to protect resale value, the player gets half of the fee. None of this is INEOS’s fault, they are trying to clean up a mess they inherited but there are many different factors why Utd can’t sell as well as other clubs. Fully believable knowing the asshats in charge of the club. For people obsessed with money they really have absolutely no clue about business at all. Can't blame any player for digging their heels in then and demanding money to go, also can't blame other clubs not wanting to pay over the top for our cast offs just because we owe the player half of it. We're years away from sorting this shit out, I'm seeing people slagging off Ineos already for Casemiro/Sancho/McTominay still being at the club, and/or a midfielder not signed (not necessarily on here, just elsewhere in the wonderful web), honestly, they need about 5 years before they get judged for me, because they've inherited the worst run big club in the world. Please preach. It’s like people think INEOS have wand that will make all the financial failings of 20 years go away in one summer. A hard dose of research and reality is needed. If we can achieve sales and few more incomings I am satisfied
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Post by viking22 on Aug 6, 2024 22:27:54 GMT
I think they are doing as well as can be hoped for on player sales. The Greenwood deal was very well structured. They were quick to shift Kambwala once it became clear he wouldn't extend. And they even managed to sell Donny (even though any payoff will be far in the future assuming he can resurrect his career at a much lower level).
Fulham are taking the piss offering £20m for Scotty but even if they raised their offer he turned them down last summer and would probably do the same again. Not even Saudi clubs are willing to pay Casemiro £350k a week because they are also trying to be more financially sustainable. Eriksen is on £150k a week which puts him out of reach of most of his potential suitors. Neither Dortmund or Juventus can afford Sancho and PSG only have a mild interest and he's another one on crazy wages. And AWB has a lot of leverage because he can refuse to move this summer and leave on a free. And all of our players are under contract and on very good wages so they have little incentive to move. Especially as it would mean taking a step down. And they all know that if they don't move then we can't replace them so they will get games. Especially with all our injuries.
And while I think the prices Bayern and PSG want are not unreasonable again they are being forced into their current strategy which is probably the most rational in the circumstances.
We want De Ligt and Ugarte but we cannot afford both at the asking prices that Bayern and PSG have set. We've agreed personal terms with both players. So we have no choice except to try and call their bluff and in the meantime line up alternative targets and continue to explore player sales. And if no compromise can be found then we will have to go for just one of them and choose a cheaper alternative to the other (or make do with the players we have).
It is frustrating that we cannot complete our business before the season starts. But we are trying to squeeze every last drop out of a very limited budget to strengthen a very mediocre squad that finished 8th last season. And the ultimate size of that budget depends on player sales where there could still be some movement as other clubs also are in a similar position to us and therefore doing business late in the window.
And it is comforting that we are exploring potential midfield alternatives which means that whatever happens we will be signing a midfielder this summer and any of the names mentioned such as Berge, Fofana and Gomes are upgrades on Casemiro and Amrabat.
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Post by viking22 on Aug 6, 2024 22:47:55 GMT
Kone latest on the list.
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Post by Paul on Aug 7, 2024 5:40:00 GMT
From Phil de bruin: Unlike previous years, Utd are very willing sellers this summer. They want to bring in more players, they know they need too but selling players with a year to go on their contracts is not that easy or lucrative. A number of Utd players negotiated a clause in their contract that if the club extended their contract by a year to protect resale value, the player gets half of the fee. None of this is INEOS’s fault, they are trying to clean up a mess they inherited but there are many different factors why Utd can’t sell as well as other clubs. I'm not even shocked by this either. Just another example of how pathetic this club has been run and something else to add to the list of fixes for INEOS.
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