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Post by johnboy14 on Aug 7, 2024 7:29:44 GMT
Fully believable knowing the asshats in charge of the club. For people obsessed with money they really have absolutely no clue about business at all. Can't blame any player for digging their heels in then and demanding money to go, also can't blame other clubs not wanting to pay over the top for our cast offs just because we owe the player half of it. We're years away from sorting this shit out, I'm seeing people slagging off Ineos already for Casemiro/Sancho/McTominay still being at the club, and/or a midfielder not signed (not necessarily on here, just elsewhere in the wonderful web), honestly, they need about 5 years before they get judged for me, because they've inherited the worst run big club in the world. Please preach. It’s like people think INEOS have wand that will make all the financial failings of 20 years go away in one summer. A hard dose of research and reality is needed. If we can achieve sales and few more incomings I am satisfied Radcliffe has already hinted multiple times in interviews about how bad things are at the club. All his focus right now seems to be on getting the right people in positions of power at the club and it makes total sense. The squad needs hallowed out before it can be rebuilt.
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Post by mightyez on Aug 7, 2024 8:41:53 GMT
Please preach. It’s like people think INEOS have wand that will make all the financial failings of 20 years go away in one summer. A hard dose of research and reality is needed. If we can achieve sales and few more incomings I am satisfied Radcliffe has already hinted multiple times in interviews about how bad things are at the club. All his focus right now seems to be on getting the right people in positions of power at the club and it makes total sense. The squad needs hallowed out before it can be rebuilt. The logical approach, one we have called for and then when we get it, people start freaking out. Gotta be in this for the long haul and that means 2 summers potentially 3 depending on stadium funding.
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Post by alt on Aug 7, 2024 9:18:37 GMT
We need to start taking hits on players. We can't let the likes of Casemiro, Lindelof, Antony etc remain purely because of the wages they are on.
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Post by redcase on Aug 7, 2024 10:14:06 GMT
Radcliffe has already hinted multiple times in interviews about how bad things are at the club. All his focus right now seems to be on getting the right people in positions of power at the club and it makes total sense. The squad needs hallowed out before it can be rebuilt. The logical approach, one we have called for and then when we get it, people start freaking out. Gotta be in this for the long haul and that means 2 summers potentially 3 depending on stadium funding. We finished 8th. We have now approximately 5 players injured or questionable to start the season. We're fucking about on an entirely decent fee for 2 players who will instantly improve our defense. We spent the entire last half of the season wanting the coach gone. Then we reconciled by saying he had a poor squad, riddled with injuries, and mismanaged by those above him. What is the use if we're going into this season in exactly the same fucking position squad-wise as last year? How does the team build momentum and impetus if the start isn't good enough? Is playing catch-up part of the plan? Yes they did well selling Greenwood and landing Yoro. Zirkzee is something we'll have to see how it works out later. But it's also ok to say they've been shit at adding others. Doesn't have to be black or white all the time. Two things can be right.
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Post by Paul on Aug 7, 2024 10:14:31 GMT
Radcliffe has already hinted multiple times in interviews about how bad things are at the club. All his focus right now seems to be on getting the right people in positions of power at the club and it makes total sense. The squad needs hallowed out before it can be rebuilt. The logical approach, one we have called for and then when we get it, people start freaking out. Gotta be in this for the long haul and that means 2 summers potentially 3 depending on stadium funding. Dont think it's a case of freaking out. Think most if not all of us realise INEOS need them to turn it around. You can't correct a decade of mistakes and fuck ups in one summer window. Did expect a bit more attention to be made to sorting out the midfield though given how badly it needs it. We really need a top 4 finish this season. If we don't address that midfield then it's not happening.
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Post by mightyez on Aug 7, 2024 10:36:41 GMT
People need to accept our reality. We have to sell to buy. What did anyone expect? They have been telling us this for months now.
All good and well taking hits on certain players but it won't make sense when the money that comes in doesn't allow us to replace them.
The people running the football side of things aren't daft, they all know we need a midfielder but do we overpay in the case of Ugarte? No. that approach has seen us look stupid in the years gone by and we need to stop that. I get overpaying for a generational talent in a position but let's be honest that's not Ugarte nor is it De ligt.
Yoro clearly came in to fill the gap varane left and then Zirkzee for martial. We have sold a couple players to offset the costs. The approach is clear. We just need to be patient for a little longer and hope that Casemiro, Eriksen and MCT (Decent fee) leave thus we can bring 2 in that position. AWB likely top leave and also the club are trying to sell Lindelof and Antony and Sancho.
We know the tough job inherited and the challenges in the market that is hampering most clubs.
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Post by Stew on Aug 7, 2024 11:10:08 GMT
People need to accept our reality. We have to sell to buy. What did anyone expect? They have been telling us this for months now. All good and well taking hits on certain players but it won't make sense when the money that comes in doesn't allow us to replace them. The people running the football side of things aren't daft, they all know we need a midfielder but do we overpay in the case of Ugarte? No. that approach has seen us look stupid in the years gone by and we need to stop that. I get overpaying for a generational talent in a position but let's be honest that's not Ugarte nor is it De ligt. Yoro clearly came in to fill the gap varane left and then Zirkzee for martial. We have sold a couple players to offset the costs. The approach is clear. We just need to be patient for a little longer and hope that Casemiro, Eriksen and MCT (Decent fee) leave thus we can bring 2 in that position. AWB likely top leave and also the club are trying to sell Lindelof and Antony and Sancho. We know the tough job inherited and the challenges in the market that is hampering most clubs. I think people expected more than a 60 million net spend on a team that finished 8th. I know I did.
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Post by Stew on Aug 7, 2024 11:14:59 GMT
Also, Ten Hag is fucked if things stay as they are, squad-wise. What was the point in keeping him and then not fixing the single biggest problem in the team?
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Post by mightyez on Aug 7, 2024 11:18:03 GMT
People need to accept our reality. We have to sell to buy. What did anyone expect? They have been telling us this for months now. All good and well taking hits on certain players but it won't make sense when the money that comes in doesn't allow us to replace them. The people running the football side of things aren't daft, they all know we need a midfielder but do we overpay in the case of Ugarte? No. that approach has seen us look stupid in the years gone by and we need to stop that. I get overpaying for a generational talent in a position but let's be honest that's not Ugarte nor is it De ligt. Yoro clearly came in to fill the gap varane left and then Zirkzee for martial. We have sold a couple players to offset the costs. The approach is clear. We just need to be patient for a little longer and hope that Casemiro, Eriksen and MCT (Decent fee) leave thus we can bring 2 in that position. AWB likely top leave and also the club are trying to sell Lindelof and Antony and Sancho. We know the tough job inherited and the challenges in the market that is hampering most clubs. I think people expected more than a 60 million net spend on a team that finished 8th. I know I did. why? The big talk was that it was £40 million.
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Post by viking22 on Aug 7, 2024 11:19:12 GMT
We need to wait until the END of the transfer window before we can assess.
The difference this year is that we are paying attention to our budget and trying to stretch it and also working on multiple deals at the same time. So sensibly we are waiting to see if a breakthrough can be achieved in negotiations while continuing to explore alternative targets and player sales. And then closer to deadline day we will make our final decisions.
Previous team would have done one deal at a time, not even bothered considering alternatives, wasted time making multiple bids but ended up paying close to the initial asking price, run out of money (or overspent opening us up to potential liability for fines) and then business would grind to a halt and we would resort to desperate deadline day loan moves to try and fill any remaining gaps.
I know which approach I prefer!
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Post by mightyez on Aug 7, 2024 11:21:40 GMT
If we got 2 mids, you would have people coming out saying Hojlund didn't score enough, the team didn't, where is the replacement for Martial. We have have equal questions in the CB position. Reality is the team needed work through the spine (Striker, Mid and CB). Are we going to get the DM? I have complete confidence we will, would have liked it 2 weeks ago but with all the names we are linked with and what I have seen thus far, I know one is coming and before the league starts
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Post by viking22 on Aug 7, 2024 11:30:23 GMT
Net spend currently is around £50m (Yoro £50m + Zirzkee £35m - Mason £25m - Kambwala £5m - Alvaro £5m).
Our budget is probably around £120m. That means we have around £70m left to spend.
The problem is that PSG want £50m for Ugarte and Bayern want £40m for De Ligt. And that seems to correlate with the rumoured valuation gap of £10m in relation to both deals. Our offers are clearly capped by what we have left to spend!
So we have three options:
Option 1: keep negotiating and see if closer to the deadline PSG and Bayern lower their valuations or if we manage to sell someone allowing us to increase our offers Option 2: buy De Ligt and buy a cheaper alternative to Ugarte (Fofana, Berge, Kone have all been mentioned) Option 3: buy Ugarte and as we wouldn't have enough left to buy a decent centre back make do with what we have (e.g. Shaw can play CB)
Option 1 is clearly the preferred option which is why we are still negotiating with both clubs (French media is saying we've dropped our interest in Ugarte but I suspect that is just a negotiating tactic).
And I suspect Option 2 is most likely given we are exploring alternative DM targets although personally I would go for Option 3.
So what I believe we are seeing is a competent recruitment team that is simply trying to squeeze the most out of their budget and taking advantage of the remaining weeks of the window to keep their options open before deciding what to do.
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Post by viking22 on Aug 7, 2024 11:33:34 GMT
And yeah there is no way we aren't buying a midfielder this summer. The question at this point is whether it will be Ugarte or a cheaper alternative such as Fofana/Berge/Kone and that is outside our control (depends on whether Bayern and PSG drop their asking prices, whether anyone bites at the players we are trying to offload etc). And there is also an added complication with the AWB deal and that might effect the net spend impact of selling AWB and buying Mazrouia. So I imagine that is the next deal we will be looking to finalize.
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Post by Paul on Aug 7, 2024 11:40:01 GMT
Also, Ten Hag is fucked if things stay as they are, squad-wise. What was the point in keeping him and then not fixing the single biggest problem in the team? The only thing that gives me a bit of faith in this is the appointment of some of the new staff, Ruud especially. Squad wise we still have the same problems. If he can address the tactics and implement a system that works then he's winning half the battle. But yeah not fixing that midfield especially is doing him and us no good whatsoever going into a new season.
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Post by Paul on Aug 7, 2024 11:56:14 GMT
Net spend currently is around £50m (Yoro £50m + Zirzkee £35m - Mason £25m - Kambwala £5m - Alvaro £5m). Our budget is probably around £120m. That means we have around £70m left to spend. The problem is that PSG want £50m for Ugarte and Bayern want £40m for De Ligt. And that seems to correlate with the rumoured valuation gap of £10m in relation to both deals. Our offers are clearly capped by what we have left to spend! So we have three options: Option 1: keep negotiating and see if closer to the deadline PSG and Bayern lower their valuations or if we manage to sell someone allowing us to increase our offers Option 2: buy De Ligt and buy a cheaper alternative to Ugarte (Fofana, Berge, Kone have all been mentioned) Option 3: buy Ugarte and as we wouldn't have enough left to buy a decent centre back make do with what we have (e.g. Shaw can play CB) Option 1 is clearly the preferred option which is why we are still negotiating with both clubs (French media is saying we've dropped our interest in Ugarte but I suspect that is just a negotiating tactic). And I suspect Option 2 is most likely given we are exploring alternative DM targets although personally I would go for Option 3. So what I believe we are seeing is a competent recruitment team that is simply trying to squeeze the most out of their budget and taking advantage of the remaining weeks of the window to keep their options open before deciding what to do. We keep dragging out half a window trying to sign one player. We do it all the time. At what point so we turn around and say fuck this we're looking elsewhere. The part that concerns me is we've been pissing around with Bayern for De Ligt for a month now, wasting time with other areas that need as much if not more attention. The longer that time goes we're gradually lowering the standard of player aswell to the point it'll end up being a last ditch desperation signing like Amrabat was. It's like pulling Maya Jama in the nightclub and ending up going home with Sonia from Eastenders.
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