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Post by Kojak on Aug 7, 2024 12:38:01 GMT
This is a shame.
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Post by mightyez on Aug 7, 2024 12:38:41 GMT
saw on twitter an hour ago that we have made a bid. Not sure if that's credible or not. However it might be odd considering he cost the same as Ugarte. Buyout in full or pay a bit more like Zirkzee to not have to pay the lump sum. Either way would be the same as Ugarte
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Post by seanie on Aug 7, 2024 12:45:00 GMT
The logical approach, one we have called for and then when we get it, people start freaking out. Gotta be in this for the long haul and that means 2 summers potentially 3 depending on stadium funding. We finished 8th. We have now approximately 5 players injured or questionable to start the season. We're fucking about on an entirely decent fee for 2 players who will instantly improve our defense.
We spent the entire last half of the season wanting the coach gone. Then we reconciled by saying he had a poor squad, riddled with injuries, and mismanaged by those above him. What is the use if we're going into this season in exactly the same fucking position squad-wise as last year? How does the team build momentum and impetus if the start isn't good enough? Is playing catch-up part of the plan? Yes they did well selling Greenwood and landing Yoro. Zirkzee is something we'll have to see how it works out later. But it's also ok to say they've been shit at adding others. Doesn't have to be black or white all the time. Two things can be right. Yeah but spending 60m+ on Yoro was a risk if they are strapped. de Ligt and Mazraoui should be at the club 5 weeks ago and we should be accepting that fee for McT and have 2 mids done by now.. The window could still be huge, we don't really know what they have or what can get done in August so best to hold off until then. If this is all about buying for the future, then fair enough, but as you say if we start the season with a worse squad than last year, then people better be prepared for more of the same this year and next.
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Post by seanie on Aug 7, 2024 12:56:13 GMT
City selling Alvarez for nearly 100m Euro all in is sickening. I always thought he was excellent and way too good to be a mere squad player, but it shows how good they are at buying and how deep their squad is. The shit they did aside the people at City who focus on running the football club are first class!
We are basically where they were in 2011. We're full of over rated players and past it names on massive wages!
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Post by viking22 on Aug 7, 2024 13:06:02 GMT
Definitely INEOS should be judged at the end of this transfer window. They were dealt with a bad hand and inherited a lot of legacy issues as well as a pretty mediocre squad which can't be fixed in one summer.
But INEOS do seem to be a bit cheap. There isn't much room to haggle with big clubs like Bayern and PSG. And the prices they want aren't unreasonable for quality players that have just fallen out of favour for various reasons. So either pay their asking price or move on. Especially as we do now seem capable of identifying alternative targets. And it also isn't fair on the players as we have agreed terms with them and got their hopes up. So if we don't sign them simply because of a £10m valuation differential it doesn't reflect well on us.
Also if the issue is lack of funds then selling Scotty even if it is only for £20m would solve that problem and allow us to meet Bayern and PSG's asking prices for De Ligt and Ugarte and get our 1st choice targets. And I think he is expendable. Mount looked decent in pre-season and Zirzkee can play as a number 10. And last season Scotty turned down a deadline week move so if we leave it too late he might do the same.
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Post by mightyez on Aug 7, 2024 13:06:13 GMT
City selling Alvarez for nearly 100m Euro all in is sickening. I always thought he was excellent and way too good to be a mere squad player, but it shows how good they are at buying and how deep their squad is. The shit they did aside the people at City who focus on running the football club are first class! We are basically where they were in 2011. We're full of over rated players and past it names on massive wages! Part of me agrees but the other part can't trust any numbers coming out that club considering some allegations I have seen.
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Post by viking22 on Aug 7, 2024 13:07:27 GMT
Ralf recommended we buy Alvarez. Probably he would have always chosen City. But we could have at least made a pitch based on a better route to the 1st team. But Glazers refused to let Ralf spend any money and then sacked him before he could advise on summer signings.
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Post by seanie on Aug 7, 2024 13:14:17 GMT
Why can't Zirkzee start for us at the beginning of the season with Hojlund out for 2 months? Why are they talking about playing Sancho as a striker
He's not injured, he had a gentle Euro campaign in the Dutch squad and he will be at the club for 7 weeks by the start of the season.
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Post by viking22 on Aug 7, 2024 13:25:35 GMT
Because Sancho is still in the shop window!
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Post by seanie on Aug 7, 2024 13:30:16 GMT
Because Sancho is still in the shop window! Playing him as a striker won't do that any favors!
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Post by johnboy14 on Aug 7, 2024 13:33:58 GMT
People need to accept our reality. We have to sell to buy. What did anyone expect? They have been telling us this for months now. All good and well taking hits on certain players but it won't make sense when the money that comes in doesn't allow us to replace them. The people running the football side of things aren't daft, they all know we need a midfielder but do we overpay in the case of Ugarte? No. that approach has seen us look stupid in the years gone by and we need to stop that. I get overpaying for a generational talent in a position but let's be honest that's not Ugarte nor is it De ligt. Yoro clearly came in to fill the gap varane left and then Zirkzee for martial. We have sold a couple players to offset the costs. The approach is clear. We just need to be patient for a little longer and hope that Casemiro, Eriksen and MCT (Decent fee) leave thus we can bring 2 in that position. AWB likely top leave and also the club are trying to sell Lindelof and Antony and Sancho. We know the tough job inherited and the challenges in the market that is hampering most clubs. I think people expected more than a 60 million net spend on a team that finished 8th. I know I did. You ever ask why Bayern are willing to sell? Bayern don't sell players they want and need. Despite that, it's clear we can't buy unless we sell. I'm as frustrated as the next supporter but those are the realities. It's another season of scrapping for CL football, can't see it changing much.
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Post by redcase on Aug 7, 2024 13:35:52 GMT
I think people expected more than a 60 million net spend on a team that finished 8th. I know I did. You ever ask why Bayern are willing to sell? Bayern don't sell players they want and need. Despite that, it's clear we can't buy unless we sell. I'm as frustrated as the next supporter but those are the realities. It's another season of scrapping for CL football, can't see it changing much. This argument doesn't hold water considering Bayern have been a complete clusterfuck over the past 2 years. This is not the same Bayern who we considered impeccably run. This is Bayern entering their United era.
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Post by Stew on Aug 7, 2024 13:42:51 GMT
If we got 2 mids, you would have people coming out saying Hojlund didn't score enough, the team didn't, where is the replacement for Martial. We have have equal questions in the CB position. Reality is the team needed work through the spine (Striker, Mid and CB). Are we going to get the DM? I have complete confidence we will, would have liked it 2 weeks ago but with all the names we are linked with and what I have seen thus far, I know one is coming and before the league starts If we’d taken a poll in here at the start of the summer on our most pressing need, I’d say 90% of people would have said CM.
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Post by mightyez on Aug 7, 2024 13:58:03 GMT
If we got 2 mids, you would have people coming out saying Hojlund didn't score enough, the team didn't, where is the replacement for Martial. We have have equal questions in the CB position. Reality is the team needed work through the spine (Striker, Mid and CB). Are we going to get the DM? I have complete confidence we will, would have liked it 2 weeks ago but with all the names we are linked with and what I have seen thus far, I know one is coming and before the league starts If we’d taken a poll in here at the start of the summer on our most pressing need, I’d say 90% of people would have said CM. Probably but it doesn't negate the fact that people will still complain about the other areas that have not been addressed. Whichever way it's buttered we are where we are and there is time to get more in and out
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Post by mightyez on Aug 7, 2024 14:00:10 GMT
You ever ask why Bayern are willing to sell? Bayern don't sell players they want and need. Despite that, it's clear we can't buy unless we sell. I'm as frustrated as the next supporter but those are the realities. It's another season of scrapping for CL football, can't see it changing much. This argument doesn't hold water considering Bayern have been a complete clusterfuck over the past 2 years. This is not the same Bayern who we considered impeccably run. This is Bayern entering their United era. They are a mess but the fact they believe in Upmancano and Dier more than De ligt is just baffling. The only thing that gives me some hope with de ligt coming from Bayern is that he did well at Juve injuries aside and Bayern have not done a job with Kim who was outstanding in Italy.
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