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Post by keanosdog16 on Jun 14, 2024 9:00:27 GMT
BBC now reporting Everton want 80m! how in gods name can they think he is worth that, hope we walk away He's also apparently on £40k pw now and we are offering between £150k and £160k. Idiots. Stick him on £80k. Exactly, doubled his wages, don't need to be offering silly money straight away, give him more if and when he's earnt it |
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Post by alwaysUnited on Jun 14, 2024 9:43:28 GMT
I havent see too much of Branthwaite , but is he really that good or is it another case of young English player hyped up.
Its one thing for a CB to look good in Sean Dyche's low block, low possession side, totally different ball game when you are expected to maintain the same standards while keeping a high line ,resisting the press ,keeping possession and help in building up the play.
Does he have the recovery pace and quality on the ball or will end up getting Maguire 2.0
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Post by keanosdog16 on Jun 14, 2024 10:26:48 GMT
I havent see too much of Branthwaite , but is he really that good or is it another case of young English player hyped up. Its one thing for a CB to look good in Sean Dyche's low block, low possession side, totally different ball game when you are expected to maintain the same standards while keeping a high line ,resisting the press ,keeping possession and help in building up the play. Does he have the recovery pace and quality on the ball or will end up getting Maguire 2.0 The games i've seen of him i've not been overly convinced he's all that but he's only young, not too many other clubs being linked with him either is there? i certainly wouldn't be paying what's being banded about |
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Post by Karma on Jun 14, 2024 10:36:03 GMT
That would empty our transfer kitty if you believe the reports of very little cash to spend .
I wouldn’t pay more than 30 million for him.
We need to learn our lesson from the past.
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Post by viking22 on Jun 14, 2024 10:37:25 GMT
Player wants to join us. Has already agreed terms. No one else seems to be seriously interested. Hasn't made the England squad underlining his inexperience. So we really should just be saying £50m + add-ons final offer. Everton aren't going to want to be stuck with an unhappy player and need the money so will eventually cave.
Similar situation to Hojlund really. Atlanta also wanted crazy money in the beginning wanting £86m upfront but we negotiated it down to £64m + add-ons. Although that probably owed a lot more to us not being able to afford the asking price after blowing over £100m on Mount and Onana rather than reflecting good negotiating skills from tough but fair Murtough. But it goes to show what can be achieved and we shouldn't just cave whenever a selling club quotes a crazy price.
Of course the downside is that it means negotiations can drag on for a month or two and Erik is understandably keen to get new players on board before pre-season tour starts. But FFP is a bitch and I'd rather we stretch our limited budget as much as we can rather than overpay to bring in players early in the window and then struggle at the back-end of the window because we need to sell to raise funds.
And time is on our side. Branthwaite isn't involved in the Euros and has already agreed personal terms. So we have over a month before pre-season to negotiate the price done. Our other targets are likely involved in the Euros and therefore not going to be open to discussions about their future until after the competition and that leaves a lot less time for negotiations if we want them on board before the pre-season starts (and remember that players involved in the Euros usually join the pre-season tour later than the other players). So let's get Branthwaite for a good price which will give us more money to spend on a striker and a midfielder.
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Post by caino on Jun 14, 2024 11:04:19 GMT
Branthwaite is quick for a CB. if they get him for 50-60m then id be happy with that.
Toney is not worth the 60m banded about but if they can pick him up for in the region of 40m that isnt bad business. if anything above that its probably better to look at alternative options.
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Post by caino on Jun 14, 2024 11:13:24 GMT
Good video on branthwaite. presses well and wins the ball high up the pitch. wins a lot of headers. moves his feet well to jockey / tackle. a lot of pace to recover. can actually ping a ball. picks up the odd goal. its a perfect signing imo
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Post by viking22 on Jun 14, 2024 11:19:05 GMT
If we get Branthwaite and Toney for a combined total of no more than £100m I think that would be pretty good business especially by our standards.
Are their better players out there and better values? Most likely. But it's INEOS's first transfer window and we have a skeleton recruitment team with Ashworth still on gardening leave and the Euros is an added complication when Erik is keen to bring players in before the season starts so he can work with the squad over pre-season. So I can understand the rationale for playing things safe so long as we don't overpay and leave plenty of capacity to sign a quality defensive midfielder without having to rely on impossible player sales.
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Post by seanie on Jun 14, 2024 11:51:49 GMT
Can someone explain to me why we need to pay that for a 20 year old left footed, left sided center back? 90% of the time he is on the left in all those videos and he clearly favors his left foot. Obviously they know this, but aren't we looking for a replacement for Varane and Maguire and a partner for Martinez.
Unless the intention is to buy two center backs and have one that can play in case Martinez is injured.
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Post by seanie on Jun 14, 2024 12:23:27 GMT
Apart from the fact that Branthwaite is massively over hyped anyway and those clips don't highlight his errors or weakness. If he was really that good and with Ben White and Maguire out you would think England and Steve Clark a well regarded defensive coach would want him in the squad.
If we're talking about Toney and Branthwaite for most of the budget before sales, what's the point of all these people running the football club and recruitment. It doesn't sound very ambitious to me and if Antonio Silva can be bought for the same amount then that should be where we go!
Here's an alternative view for what it's worth. I think all these YouTube clips are meh, but at least this highlights the other side.
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Post by ratbag on Jun 14, 2024 12:59:14 GMT
I reckon Leny Yoro is a better bet than Branthwaite…
Right footed and cheaper but probably at least as good if not better…
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Post by seanie on Jun 14, 2024 13:09:32 GMT
I reckon Leny Yoro is a better bet than Branthwaite… Right footed and cheaper but probably at least as good if not better… Yes, but if Real are that interested we have little hope. It would be a bit of a test of how good the new team are in selling a project, but he has his head at Real we have no chance. The only reason he is cheaper is because he is in the last year of his contract and wouldn't sign a new one. Real probably been telling him to wait and run it down, so Lille desperate to sell. He would cheaper, but it's really up to him! |
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Post by ratbag on Jun 14, 2024 13:14:31 GMT
I reckon Leny Yoro is a better bet than Branthwaite… Right footed and cheaper but probably at least as good if not better… Yes, but if Real are that interested we have little hope. It would be a bit of a test of how good the new team are in selling a project, but he has his head at Real we have no chance. The only reason he is cheaper is because he is in the last year of his contract and wouldn't sign a new one. Real probably been telling him to wait and run it down, so Lille desperate to sell. He would cheaper, but it's really up to him! It’s a fair point and I did read that RM were interested so if his head really is there then it’s a no go for us… Then there’s Todibo who is again probably better than Branthwaite… At the money that Everton are asking for we should steer well clear… |
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Post by seanie on Jun 14, 2024 13:20:31 GMT
Yes, but if Real are that interested we have little hope. It would be a bit of a test of how good the new team are in selling a project, but he has his head at Real we have no chance. The only reason he is cheaper is because he is in the last year of his contract and wouldn't sign a new one. Real probably been telling him to wait and run it down, so Lille desperate to sell. He would cheaper, but it's really up to him! It’s a fair point and I did read that RM were interested so if his head really is there then it’s a no go for us… Then there’s Todibo who is again probably better than Branthwaite… At the money that Everton are asking for we should steer well clear… Who knows wtf is actually going on or how much they can spend or what we may or may not get from player sales. They have just announced they are spending 50M to revamp Carrington, which is good news at least |
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Post by caino on Jun 14, 2024 13:44:56 GMT
Can someone explain to me why we need to pay that for a 20 year old left footed, left sided center back? 90% of the time he is on the left in all those videos and he clearly favors his left foot. Obviously they know this, but aren't we looking for a replacement for Varane and Maguire and a partner for Martinez. Unless the intention is to buy two center backs and have one that can play in case Martinez is injured. supposedly he can play on the right side of CB too and theres not much difference in it imo. CBs should be able to play on both sides of it. Rio Ferdinand - right footed Vidic - right footed terry - right footed Carvalho - right footed van Dijk - right footed matip - right footed Stones - right footed dias - right footed puyol - right footed Mascherano - right footed Piqué - right footed maldini - right footed nesta - right footed |
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