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Post by Karma on Oct 6, 2024 17:43:43 GMT
and according to the media and new born fans we suppose to be ok with it....disrespectfully fuck. off. Those goons would argue relegation is in our DNA. They are enjoying this. |
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Post by alwaysUnited on Oct 6, 2024 18:35:24 GMT
ETH obviously has to go, but no matter what combination the next guy tries there is simply not enough goals in this team.
There is potential in Hojlund and Garnacho. But that is for the future, couple of years under similar setup and they will likely go the Martial way.
Rashford and Bruno are going to be somewhere around current level with occassional run of games where they will score.we have seen enough of them.
Rest of them i dont have much hope right now.
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Post by johnboy14 on Oct 6, 2024 18:40:23 GMT
ETH obviously has to go, but no matter what combination the next guy tries there is simply not enough goals in this team. There is potential in Hojlund and Garnacho. But that is for the future, couple of years under similar setup and they will likely go the Martial way. Rashford and Bruno are going to be somewhere around current level with occassional run of games where they will score.we have seen enough of them. Rest of them i dont have much hope right now. Garnachos progress has stalled I think. |
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Post by Paul on Oct 6, 2024 19:54:51 GMT
Fuck me why did I watch his interview. 4th clean sheet and it shows were in a good direction. We're fucking 14th in the league ffs.
So much fucking delusion.
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Post by unitedsotex on Oct 6, 2024 21:35:06 GMT
Fuck me why did I watch his interview. 4th clean sheet and it shows were in a good direction. We're fucking 14th in the league ffs. So much fucking delusion. Who listens to this and goes "yay he's right" because is he fucking serious? We can have 30 clean sheets, but if we can't score then we will still be relegated... what kind of brain dead thought process is he on about. We can't score because he has no plan for the attack. Bruno looks flat. Rashford while showing some life recently isn't scoring. Garnacho as Johnboy said has stalled, I was literally thinking that this morning. ETH is starting to put Antony in as a sub over Amad. Zirkzee and Holjand are doing it right now. |
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Post by johnboy14 on Oct 6, 2024 21:54:17 GMT
Fuck me why did I watch his interview. 4th clean sheet and it shows were in a good direction. We're fucking 14th in the league ffs. So much fucking delusion. Who listens to this and goes "yay he's right" because is he fucking serious? We can have 30 clean sheets, but if we can't score then we will still be relegated... what kind of brain dead thought process is he on about. We can't score because he has no plan for the attack. Bruno looks flat. Rashford while showing some life recently isn't scoring. Garnacho as Johnboy said has stalled, I was literally thinking that this morning. ETH is starting to put Antony in as a sub over Amad. Zirkzee and Holjand are doing it right now. The lack of goals is a huge worry because we don't look capable of winning a game 1-0 or 2-0 even if we play defensively. I think we're in big trouble here and the club needs to react before the wheels come off completely. |
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Post by viking22 on Oct 6, 2024 22:17:18 GMT
I think we are being far too complacent. Chelsea finished 12th a few seasons back. And we could well finish around there or even lower.
This is literally our worst ever start to a Premier League season. Worse even than the seasons in which things went pear shaped for Ole and Jose. And it follows our worst ever Premier League finish. What more do you really need to make the decision to sack him?
And the players haven't even downed tools. They just seem confused like the rest of us with what Erik wants from them and what the plan is and at this point are probably shot of confidence.
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Post by redcase on Oct 7, 2024 5:37:26 GMT
“It’s the fourth clean sheet this season. You can see we had very good organisation and togetherness. There was good character and good spirit as a team. Determined, resilient.... It's a long term project and we have to keep improving the process."
I mean, at least he's consistent.
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Post by Karma on Oct 7, 2024 10:29:38 GMT
Was anyone shocked he started Maguire after the equaliser against Porto?
Found a new safety blanket after Scott.
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Post by Paul on Oct 7, 2024 11:09:50 GMT
Was anyone shocked he started Maguire after the equaliser against Porto? Found a new safety blanket after Scott. Think that was part of the reason. Other being how poor and out of sync Licha and De Ligt were. But then that was on Dalot anyway for wandering into midfield so much leaving the left side exposed causing Licha to cover that aswell. Baffles me how a manager that did so well at Ajax, even in Europe against top sides can't get the basics right here. So much of it is obviously to most of us yet for whatever reason he's too stubborn to let the penny drop. |
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Post by seanie on Oct 7, 2024 11:20:22 GMT
What's really boring is watching sub standard or totally inexperienced forwards, who can't finish or link/ make a simple pass when it counts or create for each other. The question is whose fault is it to believe that that forward line can compete at this level.
ETH is obviously part of the problem, but is he really asking for young unproven forwards or just having to deal with what he gets or some misguided notion of for the future. We literally haven't bought a world class striker in their prime since RVP and that's also the last time we won the PL. If he gets sacked and another coach came in, they would be off their rocker not to demand the club corrects that immediately, or you accept mediocrity until they reach the level if that ever happens!
190,000,000 spent on Zirkzee, Hojlund and Antony alone and I can't be bothered adding up all the money and cost spent on ageing strikers, who did well for a year or so.
Garnacho, Amad and Rashford cost fuck all, so not adding top class strikers to that good base was the main error! It's a complete disaster at any club, when they go and spend that much money on that many punts or because they can't negotiate or are desperate. If that's down to him and Antony is partly his fault, but not the amount payed, then he signed his own downfall.
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Post by viking22 on Oct 7, 2024 11:37:28 GMT
We have scored 5 goals in 7 Premier League games. Only Southampton have scored fewer goals than us and a poor Crystal Palace team (that we couldn't beat) is tied with us.
In his first two Premier League seasons we scored 58 goals and then 57 goals. So this has been a long term problem.
Scotty helped paper over some of the cracks last season and Erik is probably butthurt INEOS sold him and might be benching Ugarte as a show of defiance.
But Erik continues to just repeat the mantra that he trusts the players and things will eventually click. And our defence is getting ropier every week. You can't expect Evans to roll back the years every week and the Dalot issue has been a problem all season but Erik isn't addressing it.
So basically Erik's plan to turn things around is just to hope that players pick up form rather than using his supposed tactical expertise to change the tactics and gameplans.
If that is all can come up with I'd rather give Ruud the interim job as the players are far more likely to pick up form if they have a new manager who will probably go back to basics and remove some of the shackles. And we have already seen that in action when Ole was caretaker manager.
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Post by viking22 on Oct 7, 2024 11:42:44 GMT
Our forward line is a little bit raw so you do have to make some allowances for that and no-one is expecting us to be top of the table or top of the goalscoring charts.
But Bruno and Rashford are both proven goal-scorers and Erik isn't getting the best out of them. And you can't say that our forward line is equal 2nd worst in the league as with 5 goals the only club who has scored less than us is Southampton on 4 goals and Crystal Palace are tied on 5 goals. The forward line doesn't seem to be clicking but that is partly on the manager. Even when Hojlund was fully fit last season he wasn't getting much service and the same was true against Aston Villa.
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Post by seanie on Oct 7, 2024 13:16:47 GMT
We have scored 5 goals in 7 Premier League games. Only Southampton have scored fewer goals than us and a poor Crystal Palace team (that we couldn't beat) is tied with us. In his first two Premier League seasons we scored 58 goals and then 57 goals. So this has been a long term problem. Scotty helped paper over some of the cracks last season and Erik is probably butthurt INEOS sold him and might be benching Ugarte as a show of defiance. But Erik continues to just repeat the mantra that he trusts the players and things will eventually click. And our defence is getting ropier every week. You can't expect Evans to roll back the years every week and the Dalot issue has been a problem all season but Erik isn't addressing it. So basically Erik's plan to turn things around is just to hope that players pick up form rather than using his supposed tactical expertise to change the tactics and gameplans. If that is all can come up with I'd rather give Ruud the interim job as the players are far more likely to pick up form if they have a new manager who will probably go back to basics and remove some of the shackles. And we have already seen that in action when Ole was caretaker manager. That's standard over the past 11 years. We've only had a couple of seasons were we scored 68 and 73 goals I think. We've seen glimpses of how world class strikers operate. Ibra, Cavani, Ronaldo for a season at the end of their careers. |
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Post by kingkobbie on Oct 7, 2024 15:46:43 GMT
Was anyone shocked he started Maguire after the equaliser against Porto? Found a new safety blanket after Scott. Think that was part of the reason. Other being how poor and out of sync Licha and De Ligt were. But then that was on Dalot anyway for wandering into midfield so much leaving the left side exposed causing Licha to cover that aswell. Baffles me how a manager that did so well at Ajax, even in Europe against top sides can't get the basics right here. So much of it is obviously to most of us yet for whatever reason he's too stubborn to let the penny drop. I think Maguire started because Martinez was absolutely awful the last time he played. |
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