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Post by dudemeister on Sept 2, 2014 14:44:01 GMT
Seems like everyone has forgotten the way Ashley Young opened up and tore apart Arsenal when we beat them 8-2. That's the Young I would try to bring back, that's where he is supposed to play where he gets to challenge his opponent, cut into the field and curl it to the far post. Januzaj is still very young and we have to be cautious with him and slowly integrate him into being #1 at a wing. I don't want him to burn out like Torres did constantly playing since he was 18. That made his body literally reach his 30's when he was 26-27. I get a feeling that a lot of you look at this without considering realism, tactics, balance and a lot of other circumstances. Looks like you all look at the names and just splash them out on the field. I hope I'm wrong but that's the picture I get.
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Post by NR7 on Sept 2, 2014 14:44:17 GMT
After serious thought, here is mine -----------DDG---------- Small Jones Evans Blackett ------Fletch---Clev------ Val------Ando-------Young ----------CC----------- Subs: Anders, Rojo, Shaw, Blind, Herrera, ADM, Falcao Get out. Jokes aside, my XI shows there has to be more clear out and afro is not even in the squad.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2014 14:47:28 GMT
Seems like everyone has forgotten the way Ashley Young opened up and tore apart Arsenal when we beat them 8-2. That's the Young I would try to bring back, that's where he is supposed to play where he gets to challenge his opponent, cut into the field and curl it to the far post. Januzaj is still very young and we have to be cautious with him and slowly integrate him into being #1 at a wing. I don't want him to burn out like Torres did constantly playing since he was 18. That made his body literally reach his 30's when he was 26-27. I get a feeling that a lot of you look at this without considering realism, tactics, balance and a lot of other circumstances. Looks like you all look at the names and just splash them out on the field. I hope I'm wrong but that's the picture I get. I get a feeling that since that Arsenal game, you've not watched Young play again. He cut's infield all the time, and shanks it way past the far post, at the first man, or turns around and runs back to where he came from.
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Post by dudemeister on Sept 2, 2014 14:50:05 GMT
I've really lost my faith in Rafael. He feels like Evans, just never becomes the top defender we all wait for him to be. Sure, he does some great matches but he mixes it with a lot of immature decisions and poor performances. I would love for us to sign a new RB, but good wingbacks are truly rare these days. Seamus Coleman would be the dream. Adnan can surely take that spot from Young, I don't mind it but personally I feel Young still has some contribution to give and we should milk it all out of him before Ladnan slowly takes over and becomes the #1 choice on the wing for a decade to come.
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Post by NR7 on Sept 2, 2014 15:00:07 GMT
No Blind, Herrera, Adnan or RVP but Young LW? Delightful! CC as CM? Double delight Like I said; I placed Carrick next to Rooney for balance. He could easily be replaced depending on what kind of game we're up to. Young still has a lot to give, although not as a wingback. Januzaj could just aswell take that position from Young, it's even steven among those two. RVP is injury prone and isn't getting any younger, surely we have to consider Falcao as #1. I've made what I believe is a realistic and balanced tactic. I could have gone for a FIFA-eleven where all the big names are squeezed on to the field on positions that may not fit them properly. I reckon it's impossible to actually field them all and have a proper balance and get good results. We've all seen Real Madrid's Galacticos-editions fail now and then because they only consist of big names and star-players rather than tactically chosen players. How are Blind, Herrera big names? And how in the world do you think a CM pairing of Carrick-CC is balanced than the former 2? Young has a lot to give yes. Migraines and infuriation by being shite. If you are going by that Arsenal game, Clev and Ando have a lot give aswell. Why not play those 2 in CM?
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Post by dudemeister on Sept 2, 2014 15:05:46 GMT
Like I said; I placed Carrick next to Rooney for balance. He could easily be replaced depending on what kind of game we're up to. Young still has a lot to give, although not as a wingback. Januzaj could just aswell take that position from Young, it's even steven among those two. RVP is injury prone and isn't getting any younger, surely we have to consider Falcao as #1. I've made what I believe is a realistic and balanced tactic. I could have gone for a FIFA-eleven where all the big names are squeezed on to the field on positions that may not fit them properly. I reckon it's impossible to actually field them all and have a proper balance and get good results. We've all seen Real Madrid's Galacticos-editions fail now and then because they only consist of big names and star-players rather than tactically chosen players. How are Blind, Herrera big names? And how in the world do you think a CM pairing of Carrick-CC is balanced than the former 2? Young has a lot to give yes. Migraines and infuriation by being shite. If you are going by that Arsenal game, Clev and Ando have a lot give aswell. Why not play those 2 in CM? Well, I'll take that back about big names but it's not just all about signings. I haven't seen enough of Blind and Herrera to throw them into a starting eleven, I want to see them prove themselves for it in our red shirt and I have made it clear twice that Carrick doesn't have to start every game, it all depends on opposition. I chose him next to Rooney because I feel that Carrick is a comfortable option and the one bringing the best balance. Young has at least shown that he has something to give unlike Ando for example, Clevz falls out because of competition against other midfielders. Young just doesn't have many others to compete against. As the squad looks today I would choose him first on that spot.
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Post by stringer on Sept 2, 2014 15:09:12 GMT
I'm not Rooney's biggest fan in the world, but jesus christ, people do realise he is a world class player right? Well this is awkward
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Post by thechemist on Sept 2, 2014 15:10:57 GMT
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Post by _ on Sept 2, 2014 15:26:05 GMT
I've really lost my faith in Rafael. He feels like Evans, just never becomes the top defender we all wait for him to be. Sure, he does some great matches but he mixes it with a lot of immature decisions and poor performances. I would love for us to sign a new RB, but good wingbacks are truly rare these days. Seamus Coleman would be the dream. Adnan can surely take that spot from Young, I don't mind it but personally I feel Young still has some contribution to give and we should milk it all out of him before Ladnan slowly takes over and becomes the #1 choice on the wing for a decade to come. I posted elswhere that Rafa can be world class one minute and look a mug the next but at the moment he's the best we have either at right back or wingback - Young on the other hand has got so predictable (cutting inside EVERY time) that he's basically worthless - defenders know what he'll do next and that is 90% of their job done - Adnan is unpredictable - he can go inside, outside or through the defender and that makes him infinitely more dangerous
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Post by Tatty on Sept 2, 2014 15:44:53 GMT
I'm not Rooney's biggest fan in the world, but jesus christ, people do realise he is a world class player right? Well this is awkward There are lies, damned lies and statistics.
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Post by nothingwithkids on Sept 2, 2014 16:13:33 GMT
I think we have the perfect wing backs for 3 at the back and Herrera and Blind will get about pitch couple this with Falcao work rate and Di Maria work rate and I think it could work.Think I would prefer 433 but not sure on defence with 433 and dont believe we have bought that outstanding DM to play it just yet. RVP would walk into this side if fit but he wont leave Rooney out so we have to get over it. Mata would be on bench
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Post by stringer on Sept 2, 2014 16:20:24 GMT
An extra CB seems like a waste with our attacking options. We should play to our strength.
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Post by nothingwithkids on Sept 2, 2014 16:26:41 GMT
An extra CB seems like a waste with our attacking options. We should play to our strength. Agree but we havnt bought a Hummels etc and Rojo has played most of his career as a LB or left cb of a three.I certainly dont have enough trust in Evans and Jones on their own yet although I think given a run of games Jones will make a top centre half just needs to take away that instinct to put his body where he is bound to get injured and be out for long spells.There is a fine line between putting your body on the line like Vidic,Terry,Bruce etc nd just stupidity.I do see your point and for me it is totally dependent on how quickly and well Blind settles as I believe that Herrera is quality.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2014 19:14:09 GMT
Good read from Paul Parker uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/blogs/paul-parker/falcao-coup-brilliant-for-united---but-rooney-will-be-left-out-in-the-cold-114609509.html?soc_src=mediacontentstoryManchester United caught everyone by surprise by signing Radamel Falcao on the last day of the transfer window - it was a total shock to me considering that City, Arsenal and Juventus were all meant to be in for him. Was it good luck? A good piece of work? It's hard to say just yet, but I'd guess that having Louis van Gaal as manager was key in attracting him. For the player himself it's a slight worry that he's now missing out on Champions League football once again - but in every other respect I've got huge admiration for the choice he's made. I've always said that a club like Manchester United should be able to attract players simply for its status in the game, regardless of how they're doing at any given moment. When I went there in 1991 I didn't care that they hadn't won the league in 20-odd years, I just cared that I was going to United - because for a player, there is nothing like testing yourself at a big club. I really questioned Falcao's motives and commitments when he went to Monaco last summer, but taking this new move shows that he really does have the ambition and drive to be a top player. It's great to see.
And for United, it's a huge relief to see him arrive because they've been tepid up front so far this season. Worse than tepid actually. Very, very, very poor. Robin van Persie clearly just isn't right - there's a lot of talk about him maybe needing an operation, and it sure seems like there's something big that's holding him back. As for Wayne Rooney, he's been awful. There he was at Burnley this weekend, supposedly captaining the team - but I saw a player interested only in himself, doing nothing to try and lift his game or inspire his team-mates. The only thing in any way remarkable about his performance is that he collects £300,000 a week to play that badly. .Once Van Persie is fully-fit again, Rooney must be the person to be dropped from United's new attacking line-up: for me, it'll be RVP and Falcao every time. And though there's lots of talk about him playing in the hole behind that front two, I think that'd be a huge mistake - why would you have Rooney there when Juan Mata or Angel Di Maria would do the job so much better?
That'll leave Van Gaal with a big call to make: dropping Wayne Rooney. He's always shown in his career that he's not afraid of the big decisions; he showed it most recently with his goalkeeper substitution for the shoot-out at the World Cup, and he'll have to show it once again because the way things are looking there will be no place for Rooney in that starting line-up soon. A few weeks ago, I read Jamie Redknapp's column saying more or less the exact opposite - saying (ahead of the arrival of Di Maria and Falcao) that Rooney would be the only United player who'd get into the side at Chelsea or Manchester City. I actually laughed out loud when I read it, because it's just total rubbish - maybe Jamie's a friend of Wayne and doesn't want to upset him, but it's miles away from the truth. He's not a patch on the likes of Diego Costa or Sergio Aguero - and as we've seen in the past, rather than react by upping his game and sharpening up his act, he's more likely to down tools and start sulking about his treatment. In retrospect he should probably have been sold to Chelsea last summer - I said at the time that it was probably the right moment for him to move on. It certainly looks like the end of the road is coming soon though. United do look strong up front though, despite the fact that Danny Welbeck and Javier Hernandez have gone. Hernandez was what he was - an impact sub and a decent finisher, no more and no less, like a Mexican Tony Cottee. But Welbeck is a different story, and a lot of people will be sad to see him go. He's really come through at United, and is a proper all-round footballer rather than just an out-and-out striker. For Arsenal, £16m for an international regular seems like a fantastic bargain - especially when you think that he's still just 23 and has years of improvement ahead of him. The Gunners will fit him well - I think his sale is one that United will live to regret. They'll also live to regret the failure to sign at least one more centre-half. Daley Blind looks good, and as part of a back-three you'd say at least one of the players will be solid with him in the side. But the likes of Phil Jones and Chris Smalling look outpaced and outclassed in the Premier League - not quick enough, not good enough positionally, and with little idea what to do with the ball when they have it. If Van Gaal persists with 3-5-2 you're talking about a team that has only one player in the back three that you'd trust to play the ball out of his own half. There's some talk about United maybe moving to 4-3-3 instead - but I can't help thinking that the lack of top players on the right will be a problem. Antonio Valencia is a great player in many ways, but he's rightly nicknamed Dracula in some quarters because he appears to have an appalling phobia of crosses. And Van Gaal doesn't seem to rate Rafael either - so while having another man at the back would be a huge help in a defence that looks bad, it'd mean that the team loses its width in midfield. Given the talent that has arrived this summer, that'd be a real shame especially as that's where Di Maria is at his best. The Argentine's debut was one of the great positives of the weekend, since he was United's best player by some distance and a man who can make an enormous difference to the side. I've always thought that United will get back into the top four this season, probably at the expense of Liverpool, and - despite all those worries in defence - there's now even more reason to think they'll return to the Champions League next year. - Paul Parker
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Post by Bestie on Sept 2, 2014 21:50:31 GMT
Paul Parker, I love you.
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