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Post by caino on Jun 2, 2024 11:39:01 GMT
some biog results last night and an entertaining card.
Dubois v AJ be mega to see in the summer
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Post by mightyez on Jun 2, 2024 16:51:54 GMT
Dubois lovely jobly take a bow.
Something mentally has clicked and with his fists he will hurt people.
Does have to be careful though as takes a lot of shots flush.
Wilder, he ain’t interested anymore, he will get hurt, needs to call it a day.
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Post by Karma on Aug 1, 2024 21:31:05 GMT
Nice loophole for blokes to take advantage of punching women under the guise of ‘equality’ .
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Post by smithy2 on Aug 1, 2024 22:43:33 GMT
Nice loophole for blokes to take advantage of punching women under the guise of ‘equality’ . She’s not a bloke. She was born a woman and represents a country where gender transition is illegal. Head of the IBA that started this rumor is a Russian troll of the highest order. |
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Post by Kojak on Aug 2, 2024 5:10:27 GMT
The lady in question has knocked about four people out in her career. Competed in the last Olympic Games and made the quarters. Pretty sure an Irish lass beat her.
They’re acting like Algeria put Francis Ngannou in a dress and sent him out there. Unbelievably thick.
The Italian boxer said she’s never been punched that hard in her life. Again, the lady isn’t knocking people out left, right and centre. Lazy jab, lead hand down, chin hanging in the air like Amir Khan after eight jars, got caught, couldn’t handle it, had a cry, couldn’t possibly have lost fair and square, must be something nefarious at play. There’s also, as I’ve said before on here, an issue around putting a live microphone in front of someone who has just been punched in the head.
Honestly the likes of JK Rowling, Tate, Fox, Trump. Spreading dangerous misinformation. The kind of shite that has people on the streets attacking mosques up and down the country. They’re sat back, feet up, laughing their tits off.
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Post by unitedsotex on Aug 2, 2024 14:20:54 GMT
She potentially has Swyer Syndrome, where he has a XY Chromosome and produces more Test than a normal woman... she also isn't out here dominating the boxing world either. The girl she fought just is a quitter and people are just easily emotionally manipulated.
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Post by redcase on Aug 3, 2024 7:08:44 GMT
This is a contentious, and extremely complex issue that is plaguing world sport today. I am of the opinion that biology is undeniable and in the same way that chromosomal aberrations cause diseases, they also affect human development in the context of sports. Sporting integrity depends on it and it is weird that people would dismiss the impact that gender biology has on sports.
Yesterday was the first I ever heard of Imane Khelif and I thought of finding out a bit more about her and another Taiwanese athlete who is also embroiled in controversy. I found something below which I find interesting to say the least. Feel free to dissect and discuss.
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1. "L & K are just women with high testosterone!"
Khelif and Lin were never tested for their testosterone levels.
The claims that they were disqualified from the 2023 Women's World Boxing Championship due to simple testosterone abnormalities were made by their respective national sporting bodies, who, obviously, have some motivation to lie here.
2. "L & K have female ID!"
Khelif and Lin are not believed to be transgender, and
@reduxxmag
made that VERY clear in our July 28 article.
They are believed to be impacted by a Difference of Sexual Development, in which there is a developmental abnormality in secondary sex characteristics. This is a medical condition which can manifest with children being born with ambiguous or disfigured genitalia. Male children impacted by DSDs are often "assigned female at birth" due to these genital defects, as there is a genuine assumption they are girls.
Thus, their identification documents would be completely irrelevant in this case. As is the fact they were "raised as girls." That's entirely expected for male children with DSDs.
Even more so for male children with DSDs in socially conservative countries.
Is a boy without a penis more likely to be raised as a boy or a girl? Exactly.
3. "The IBA never said they had XY chromosomes!"
On March 25, 2023, IBA President Umar Kremlev said that the boxers disqualified at the championships had XY chromosomes. He said this in a statement to TASS News.
There were only two boxers disqualified at the championships: Lin and Khelif.
4. "But Kremlev could be lying!"
Over the last 72 hours, the IBA has released two separate statements confirming that Khelif and Lin were not subject to testosterone testing, but had instead been subjected to a separate test validated by two independent laboratories.
That test confirmed they were not eligible to compete in women's boxing as per the IBA guidelines.
Crucially, the IBA defines "woman" as "an individual with XX chromosomes." In their guidelines, they also indicate that the gender tests they use to determine if a person is eligible to compete with women is a chromosomal test, not a hormone test.
In their second statement, the IBA condemned the IOC for allowing Khelif and Lin to proceed as they believed it was putting female boxers at risk and that they did not support "boxing between the genders."
5. "Why doesn't the IBA release the test!"
They cannot. It is protected medical information. They would be sued.
Khelif and Lin, however, can agree to have the laboratories release those tests themselves... Why haven't they?
6. "The IBA didn't let L & K appeal their disqualification!"
Yes they did. They have no choice in the matter. The Court of Arbitration for Sport (CAS) is a fully independent tribunal which oversees all disputes in elite athletics. Every athlete has a right to bring a case to the CAS.
Lin did not challenge the disqualification.
Khelif challenged the disqualification but withdrew the appeal before it could proceed through the court.
Please ask yourself why. If they were genuinely female, why would they have chosen to refuse their opportunity to establish that in an irrefutable and legally binding way at a fully independent venue? Literally none of this would have happened had they simply submitted their tests to the CAS.
Buuuut... Consider that all decisions at the CAS are public information. It was through a CAS challenge that the world became aware that Caster Semenya had XY chromosomes, for example.
If Khelif and Lin had proceeded through the CAS, there would have been irrefutable evidence, documented by an independent body, that they were either male or female.
So why? Why did they not want the CAS to examine their tests? Why did they not want this information to be public? I think the reason is obvious.
7. "But the IOC approved their eligibility for 2024!"
The IOC stopped sex testing athletes in 1999. Since then, they have deferred to individual sporting bodies to ensure athletes were eligible.
HOWEVER, for the purposes of the 2024 Paris Olympics, there is no formal oversight body for boxing. This is the first time this ever happened.
As a result, the IOC created an ad-hoc boxing unit to temporarily oversee the boxing competitions in Paris. This unit has no guidelines for gender eligibility, and has apparently just been allowing boxers to compete "as females" if they have female gender markers on their passports/legal documents.
8. "The IBA is corrupt and cannot be trusted!"
The IOC has long had an issue with the IBA because the IBA has refused to disqualify Russian athletes on the basis of their national identity.
Claims of the IBA's "corruption" can basically be summarized to "Russia bad, Russians evil." The IBA has literally no history of bullshitting about the sex of boxers involved and it doesn't benefit them in any kind of way to do so.
9. "The IBA only disqualified L & K because they beat Russian boxers at the 2023 championships!"
No they did not. I started seeing this weird, completely false claim circulating over the last 24 hours.
Khelif beat Thailand's Janjaem Suwannapheng and was set to compete against China's Yang Liu for gold in the Welterweight category.
Lin beat Bulgaria's Svetlana Kamenova Staneva for bronze in the Featherweight category.
They were scheduled to fight no Russian boxers in either one of their categories, and only one Russian boxer won a gold medal in the entire championship (Anastasiia Demurchian, Light Middleweight).
India won the most gold medals (4) at the 2023 Women's Championship. China won the most medals overall (7). Kazakhstan won the second most medals overall (6). Russia only won 3 medals at the championship.
Also worth noting that another Taiwanese boxer, Huang Hsiao-wen, won gold in the Bantamweight category. So for all the Taiwanese mouthpieces claiming Lin's disqualification was just "discrimination against Taiwan"... lol no.
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There is absolutely no place for gender politics in sport. Trans athletes or athletes with testable, provable genetic abnormalities which put them clearly apart from the genetic statistics of their peers must not be allowed to compete with people of that particular gender set. Integrity demands it. Sports bodies need to be scientific about this rather than political. The Lia Thomas case is a clear example of sports bodies utterly failing in their task by even allowing Lia to compete in the NCAA as a woman. This nonsense must not be allowed to happen. In the case of Khelif, the IOC should have presented everybody with clear facts about whatever testing was done and these facts would have then prevented any misinformation regarding Khelif and Lin.
A clear, honest, scientific way of handling these issues and the subsequent dissemination of information is the only way to prevent misinformation and unnecessary controversy.
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Post by Karma on Aug 10, 2024 20:40:34 GMT
Another bloke wins a gold medal in the women’s boxing.
You can shout all you want that he’s a woman.
Time will do its thing.
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Post by Paul on Sept 21, 2024 21:39:53 GMT
Fair play to Dubois. He battered AJ.
That's him done now. Worst fight I've seen from him.
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Post by DedRevil on Sept 21, 2024 21:44:21 GMT
Fair play to Dubois. He battered AJ. That's him done now. Worst fight I've seen from him. He's finished, going into journeyman territory now. |
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Post by Paul on Sept 21, 2024 21:48:07 GMT
Fair play to Dubois. He battered AJ. That's him done now. Worst fight I've seen from him. He's finished, going into journeyman territory now. Be a few Saudi fights for a decent payday but I don't see a way back for him now. Not after that fight. |
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Post by Paul on Sept 21, 2024 21:55:29 GMT
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Post by mightyez on Sept 22, 2024 0:22:39 GMT
Good fight
Dubois is cooking right now, hopefully any issue with his dad and Charles can be sorted because he needs his trainer more than anything.
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Post by Kojak on Sept 22, 2024 1:32:10 GMT
Been finished for years and wasn’t all that in his pomp.
You can tell when he’s in bother because his head fully goes. Struggled his whole career when in the deep water.
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Post by Tatty on Sept 28, 2024 21:31:15 GMT
Four Kings on Amazon is an amazing doc. But forever fuck Lennox Lewis.
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