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Post by tommyred on Aug 15, 2011 14:08:21 GMT
This may sound stupid, but would anyone else feel bad about taking him?
It seems unethical to steal a youngster from another top club when they have put the effort into developing him, and we have only arrived on the scene after seeing him flourish in their first team.
To me that's worse than poaching 16 year olds because you notice potential. At least that requires good scouting. Pinching Goetze would be the sort of thing Madrid would do. They've produced him, he's their player and a credit to their academy and coaching staff, let them reap the rewards, at least for a few good years.
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Post by fletchabey on Aug 15, 2011 15:04:59 GMT
This may sound stupid, but would anyone else feel bad about taking him? It seems unethical to steal a youngster from another top club when they have put the effort into developing him, and we have only arrived on the scene after seeing him flourish in their first team. To me that's worse than poaching 16 year olds because you notice potential. At least that requires good scouting. Pinching Goetze would be the sort of thing Madrid would do. They've produced him, he's their player and a credit to their academy and coaching staff, let them reap the rewards, at least for a few good years. No way in hell is it worse than that when we poach 16 year olds. In Italy/Spain maybe some others, they can't offer them full time contracts till their 18, but we can and so avoid paying a fee. That seems way more harsh than stumping the necessary cash to prize away a player from a club. If the hype around the kid is largely correct then we'd probably have to bid £30mill to even turn their heads. |
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Post by Bestie on Aug 15, 2011 15:33:10 GMT
This may sound stupid, but would anyone else feel bad about taking him? It seems unethical to steal a youngster from another top club when they have put the effort into developing him, and we have only arrived on the scene after seeing him flourish in their first team. To me that's worse than poaching 16 year olds because you notice potential. At least that requires good scouting. Pinching Goetze would be the sort of thing Madrid would do. They've produced him, he's their player and a credit to their academy and coaching staff, let them reap the rewards, at least for a few good years. HELL NO! It's not we'll be taking him for free. I think £20 odd million is fair enough for a guy who's not even in his twenties. What, we shouldn't ever buy established talent anymore because it's 'unethical'?   |
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Post by tommyred on Aug 15, 2011 15:55:59 GMT
Didn't say established talent, I said young kids just breaking through at other big clubs.
Guess it's just me.
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Post by fletchabey on Aug 15, 2011 16:02:49 GMT
Didn't say established talent, I said young kids just breaking through at other big clubs. Guess it's just me. I don't really get your point. Imagine Gotze was Italian and not German, its some how better if we take him when he's 17 and pay a few hundred k compensation than paying them £30mill for a 19 year old? I wonder which scenario the owning team would prefer. |
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Post by tommyred on Aug 15, 2011 16:05:22 GMT
You make a good point. Both are unethical, but I think when teams create such a great young player they deserve to keep them at least for a few years.
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Post by Bestie on Aug 15, 2011 16:08:24 GMT
You make a good point. Both are unethical, but I think when teams create such a great young player they deserve to keep them at least for a few years. But. . . the money? I'm still not grasping what the issue is, we're (would be) paying handsomely to buy his contract. What's the problem? |
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Post by tommyred on Aug 15, 2011 16:10:07 GMT
You make a good point. Both are unethical, but I think when teams create such a great young player they deserve to keep them at least for a few years. But. . . the money? I'm still not grasping what the issue is, we're (would be) paying handsomely to buy his contract. What's the problem? Nevermind. |
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Post by bharris on Aug 15, 2011 17:38:25 GMT
As much as I would take him (from what I have seen he is quality) can't see it happening TBH. He was only saying a couple of weeks or so ago that he has no reason to leave; he is young, has his family around him, & dortmund aren't exactly a bad team they are going places.
Theres another youngster who I would also love to have but seems to have an equally mature head on his shoulders; Eriksen from ajax... shitty tried to buy him this summer & there has been a lot of rumours (more last summer) of him & loserpool or arsenal being interested. I'd be gutted if he did move in the future to a club in the premier league other than us.
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Post by fletchabey on Aug 15, 2011 17:48:05 GMT
Probably true but hopefully united still has some allure for players on the continent.
I see a couple of papers have run with a story linking us with him, including a German paper. Guess the media got bored of the back and forth sneijder nonsense and want something fresh for the last couple of weeks.
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Post by Tatty on Aug 15, 2011 21:08:42 GMT
Dortmund are hardly a big club.
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Post by johnboy14 on Aug 15, 2011 21:53:20 GMT
Dortmund are hardly a big club. Highest attendances in europe. There a big club in germany, i remember them winning the european cup at our expense once. |
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Post by Bestie on Aug 15, 2011 22:02:58 GMT
Dortmund are hardly a big club. Highest attendances in europe. They're a big club in germany, i remember them winning the european cup at our expense once. Yep, 1997. Never forget the semi-final second leg. Battered them but couldn't score away. Nightmare. They were pretty big during the 90's and are coming up again. |
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Post by tommyred on Aug 15, 2011 22:10:01 GMT
They've always been a big club. They were getting the highest attendances in Europe even when they were shit.
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Post by mltezr on Aug 16, 2011 0:39:07 GMT
This may sound stupid, but would anyone else feel bad about taking him? It seems unethical to steal a youngster from another top club when they have put the effort into developing him, and we have only arrived on the scene after seeing him flourish in their first team. To me that's worse than poaching 16 year olds because you notice potential. At least that requires good scouting. Pinching Goetze would be the sort of thing Madrid would do. They've produced him, he's their player and a credit to their academy and coaching staff, let them reap the rewards, at least for a few good years. i get what your saying but thats football. its always been like that and always will be. the 'not so bigger clubs' will develop their own talent. if these talents are any good they will most probably be bought by a club with more finances. but in saying that these 'smaller' clubs need the money to invest (should be) in their club so they can work their way up to becomming a club with more finances and more groundwork to make more money in the long run |
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