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Post by NR7 on Sept 3, 2013 11:41:55 GMT
wow.. just wow!!!! that went well Brilliant low balling tactic to pay 4 more than release clause.. Ironically, that extra quid could have been used to sign Herrera.. Rather than celebrating our 1st proper MF signing in years, there is mass mourning.. Wish we had pulled the plug on Felli and signed Ander instead.. He is exactly the type of player our midfield is crying out for and a more complete footballer than afro.. I know, it's unfair and no fault of Fellaini but can't shake away the empty feeling.. Can you imagine any CEO besmirching and dragging their firm through the mud surviving the day? cuntward in a couple of seasons will have us transfer market blacklisted.. Lowest I have felt as a supporter  |
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Post by mocthezuma on Sept 3, 2013 11:41:59 GMT
I think Moyes deserves some blame too. He must have power or at least authority as manager to say which players we are going for and how much should we be willing to pay. If it had been Woodward and Ferguson this would have not went like this. He told Woodward what players he wanted. Woodward failed to get them. Also, Moyes isn't in charge of the money. So, how is this Moyes fault? Maybe he should have told him sooner? The Herrera deal seems to be lost due to time restriction. Not money. I don't blame anyone as I'm not in a position to say what and who was to blame, and neither are any of us, but I do think that it's the manager's responsibility to identify the players he wants to bring in and do so in a manner that gives the executives enough time to complete the deals. Was that done? Who knows? |
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Post by Jayrannasaurus on Sept 3, 2013 11:43:44 GMT
Dudes, I know we're all staunchly defensive of Moyes, and with good reason, but to say he's not even a little at fault here is a bit naive. Sure, it's not his fault he doesn't have the influence within the club that Fergie had, being able to force a move (at whatever price) for a player he thought was worth it, but he had over two and a half mponths to get Fellaini in or haggle Ed to get it done. All we heard was "I can't tell you anything, apparently we've bid for the player but Ed's handling it." Surely, surely, he needs to know what is going on with regards to player recruitment? In any case, the way it worked out, the blame will fall on Woodward as Moyes pretty much distanced himself from all transfer activity. I just wish he'd not said anything about not having a budget etc. Sigh. In the end it seems like there was a discordance between what the Gaffer wanted and what they were willing to trust him with. Clearly not much.
The main point, and one which I'm slightly glad occurred as it's pretty much illustrated his incompetence, is Woodward letting the clause expire and then paying 4 million more for Fellaini. That is, in business terms (which I think applies fairly well to a CEO), unthinkable.
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Post by Rene Meulensteen on Sept 3, 2013 11:44:53 GMT
The fact is, we don't actually need Ozil. We have Kagawa and Ozil isn't the player we need right now and maybe Moyes knew that and didn't want to just buy someone for the sake of it causing even more headaches and causing players problems about playing time. I don't think we need Ozil, we just needed that signing that has the media talking about for all the right reasons, look at Arsenal now, they're media darlings today even though they should/could have bought a striker and a defender also.
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Post by karthy on Sept 3, 2013 11:45:07 GMT
Signed the Petition. Hope it gets all the signatures it needs. Won't mean much i suppose ,have gotten about 100 mails and FB posts trolling already and this ain't gonna go away. There is little expectation that the petition has any effect on actually ridding us of Woodward whatsoever. It's more to try and garner some media coverage of our complete disgust and distrust of Woodward and the way he handles the footballing side of United. Maybe try to keep media pressure on this shambles for more than 5 minutes. I Know and Understand that Completely ,Bestie ,My worry is this will not affect them ( Ed and the Gimps) as much as it will Moyes and the Team and Fellaini. The only thing that will get the gimp cunts attention is if someone came up with an irrestible offer ( mean personally gun to their balls - Club or new holes your choice). But Moyes and Fellaini you have to feel for them. THey are at a club they they could only imagined and they end up with this shit.  |
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Post by Stew on Sept 3, 2013 11:46:46 GMT
The Herrera deal was not to do with time.
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Post by reefer on Sept 3, 2013 11:50:34 GMT
I would imagine Herrera's own press conference will some how bend the truth on what happened as the poor guy has to some how save himself from the wrath of the fans. So I won't be to convinced on his version of events.
As above on "Moyes is to blame in part, on the transfer windows lack of players" Not so sure about that, he can only ask for players and it's up to Ed the cunt to get it sanctioned and then go out and get them. How much we pay or how little we offer is surely down to the board. Ok the board may ask Moyes what is your value of the player as a guide line but that's not to say the board listen to it. However Im not going to agree that Moyes has had none, zero, zip and nowt to do with why we ended up with just Fellaini. Im sure he would of had a part in it but in my mind a very insignificant part that in the grand scheme of it all amounts to none, zero, zip and nowt! So IMO only the fault lays squarely at Ed the cunts feet...
Just keep in mind, SAF asked us to back Moyes, so I will. We still have a squad of players who know how to win the EPL and now we have a beast added to the squad that will make a lot of teams change there shape to deal with him and that can open up all sorts of probabilities for our attackers.. I guess we have to hold the press on this one and see what happens...
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Post by NR7 on Sept 3, 2013 11:52:17 GMT
Can we get Laffers to sue the cunt piece of shit?
Also, there was sufficient time to complete Herrera deal. Only, it appears we intentionally botched it by choosing to leave it too late.. First rejected bid was Friday and with Martinez precedent, ample time to do the homework and cough up the required fee.. I don't give a shit if it went as high as 45 or whatever.. Far better to overpay on players than line up the pocket of Yankee fuckers
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Post by benji09 on Sept 3, 2013 11:53:24 GMT
woodward, dont drag this club through this mess again.
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Post by karthy on Sept 3, 2013 11:53:29 GMT
Dudes, I know we're all staunchly defensive of Moyes, and with good reason, but to say he's not even a little at fault here is a bit naive. Sure, it's not his fault he doesn't have the influence within the club that Fergie had, being able to force a move (at whatever price) for a player he thought was worth it, but he had over two and a half mponths to get Fellaini in or haggle Ed to get it done. All we heard was "I can't tell you anything, apparently we've bid for the player but Ed's handling it." Surely, surely, he needs to know what is going on with regards to player recruitment? In any case, the way it worked out, the blame will fall on Moyes as Moyes pretty much distanced himself from all transfer activity. I just wish he'd not said anything about not having a budget etc. Sigh. In the end it seems like there was a discordance between what the Gaffer wanted and what they were willing to trust him with. Clearly not much. The main point, and one which I'm slightly glad occurred as it's pretty much illustrated his incompetence, is Woodward letting the clause expire and then paying 4 million more for Fellaini. That is, in business terms (which I think applies fairly well to a CEO), unthinkable. Yes and NO Jay. Agreed that Moyes must have drawn up plans and followed and all. But Given his position and all i'd think it'd really difficult for him to have the clout even a fraction of what Fergie had n his first few months. I , for one ,actually never thought that we'd sign big names till the " Unlimited' , "marquee" nonsense came out. First season , Biggest CLub , think Moyes would have wanted to play it safe , it was always gonna be Fellaini , Baines prob after whatever he saw of Evra or Missed from Evra. He was never gonna sell anybody cos he wouldn't have known them or watched them closely and bought anyone in Big either ,let's face it it would be the First Time for him and no matter what that'd Huge pressure. Its same with the reason to stick with Giggs and the play safe attitude. He needs to see his players and know his best XI at the same time make assessment on who fits his team and formations and strategies. If Moyes is to be blamed then it has to be for trying to give himself the time and being within himself |
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Post by mocthezuma on Sept 3, 2013 11:53:31 GMT
The Herrera deal was not to do with time. What was it then? Seems like all reliable sources are reporting that the price was met and the salary was agreed. The problem, as it seems, was that the lawyers were not authorized to pay the fee on our behalf. Something which could have been solved with more time. |
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Post by Bestie on Sept 3, 2013 11:53:40 GMT
The Herrera deal went to shit because we tried to haggle out of paying the tax on the deal. It's all over everywhere.
We had loads of time. All day actually, until 2300. Ed wouldn't sanction the extra spending.
Moyes must be fucking furious right now.
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Post by Jayrannasaurus on Sept 3, 2013 11:53:57 GMT
Also, there's a difference between backing the manager & players and seeking accountability for complete incompetence in the market.
The blame isn't all at Ed's feet. Likely about 90% of it, sure, but it's a combination of a new manager, who hasn't recruited at this level, and a new CEO who's more used to driving hard bargains and squeezing possible commercial partners for every last dime, that resulted in this Chernobyl-like window.
God I'd like to punch Ed. This can't be healthy, I've been clenching my teeth the entire day.
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Post by Stew on Sept 3, 2013 11:55:53 GMT
The Herrera deal went to shit because we tried to haggle out of paying the tax on the deal. It's all over everywhere. We had loads of time. All day actually, until 2300. Ed wouldn't sanction the extra spending. Moyes must be fucking furious right now. Exactly this. The fucking player was willing to drop wage demands to make up the shortfall. |
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Post by henrik90 on Sept 3, 2013 11:55:55 GMT
David Moyes is the head of the club. He has power to push things in the right direction. He can't demand the board to give him as much money as he wants but surely his influence is huge. He was able to do nothing with it. Therefore he deserves his share of blame. I'm not calling to sack him or anything and I'm completely behind him but to say he's just the innocent victim here is hiding yourself from the fact that we probably don't have the best manager in the game any more. If you think Moyes is head of the club and is actually at fault, theres the door, hope it slams you in the arse on the way out. Clown. oh my god. I don't want to waste time on such irrelevant thing but since you say i'm a clown i feel i'm obliged. 1. Clearly you must understand that with the head of the club I'm not claiming he's the chairman, it's ridiculous that this is the part you focus on. As manager he's represents a figurehead of the club who is the key person behind bringing the club to success and therefore he has great authority and power inside the club. He could have used his influence better, Ferguson would have not let things get this out of hand. 2. Which is why i said that he probably should share some of the blame. I didn't say he's the person at fault. I've seen that in other topics too, I fucking hate how you take a post and interpret it the way you find suitable instead of actually focussing on the point, that's the way children and people with not very high intelligence act. |
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