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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2012 12:15:34 GMT
... [or doesn't want him] ... [or has other targets] ... [or knows he's not available] ... Again, if Ferguson doesn't want him, then he's blind or stubborn. If he has other targets, then where are they. I'm working on the basis that Sahin is available because apparently he is. If he isn't then clearly I have no problem with our not having a serious look. Thinking out loud here, but: Sahin in on loan = More money for the possible RVP/Moura deals. If he were to be a success, surely we'd stump up the cash in January or next Summer. Sounds like a plan to me. This is just, a terrific, terrific, plan. Blind or stubborn??? Hardly the attributes I would associate with the great man. If sahin is this wonderful, wonderful player how come he cant make the madrid team?  Why isnt every club in europe fighting over him??? |
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Post by jimbonda on Jul 31, 2012 12:17:25 GMT
... [or doesn't want him] ... [or has other targets] ... [or knows he's not available] ... Again, if Ferguson doesn't want him, then he's blind or stubborn. don't be a tit |
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Post by Jayrannasaurus on Jul 31, 2012 12:37:38 GMT
Again, if Ferguson doesn't want him, then he's blind or stubborn. If he has other targets, then where are they. I'm working on the basis that Sahin is available because apparently he is. If he isn't then clearly I have no problem with our not having a serious look. This is just, a terrific, terrific, plan. Blind or stubborn??? Hardly the attributes I would associate with the great man. If sahin is this wonderful, wonderful player how come he cant make the madrid team? Why isnt every club in europe fighting over him??? Because he was injured. He was the youngest player ever to score in the Bundesliga, whilst also being kicker Bundesliga player of the year the season he left for Real. We all know what Real can do to careers, let's not read too much into an injury and the fact that he's at a warehouse for midfielders. now bare n mind he only made 15 appearances in this specific season. If that's not what we require in our midfield then we have differing opinions 99. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2012 12:48:41 GMT
I have seen Sahin play at least a dozen times for Dortmund and he was always the best player on the park, his passing, vision, control of tempo, free kicks and shooting are all top drawer, the only bad thing I would say of him is his lack of pace.
He is a very "intelligent" Footballer, has a lot of Scholes` qualities.I would be delighted if we signed him, we could certainly do a lot worse.
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Post by jimbonda on Jul 31, 2012 12:54:11 GMT
whether or not he's any good isn't the point, well at least mine. my point to bestie is Fergie isn't necessarily 'blind' or 'too stubborn' if he isn't after the player you fancy. there are potentially dozens of reasons, as u well know
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Post by Jayrannasaurus on Jul 31, 2012 12:58:03 GMT
You're 100% right there jim, but you have to admit our tranfer policy in central midfield has been strange to say the least in the last 5 years or so. If the tabloids, papers and fans are all able to see what we're lacking I'm fairly sure SAF does too.
The big thing here is that we see what is needed and, in all likelihood we'll bring in no-one, experience the same problems and hear there's no value or something similar.
Still, the gaffer did say we're in for maybe two more players, one can only hope someone at OT will have been alerted by his availability and perhaps we're considering it - especially since the relationship between SAF and Mourinho seems relatively healthy.
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Post by jimbonda on Jul 31, 2012 13:01:30 GMT
You're 100% right there jim, but you have to admit our tranfer policy in central midfield has been strange to say the least in the last 5 years or so. If the tabloids, papers and fans are all able to see what we're lacking I'm fairly sure SAF does too. yeah this was the basis for the other thread, why have so few of his center mid signings since he signed keane in 93 been a success? arguably only one or two in nearly 20 years. he's still waiting on ando and he's also got big faith in cleverley. that could explain why he's not intent on bringing someone in |
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Post by ratbag on Jul 31, 2012 13:31:29 GMT
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I think this is the answer to what's going on....having said that, I think Sahin would be great for us but sadly I think SAF has made his mind up....
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Post by karthy on Jul 31, 2012 13:57:36 GMT
While i go with Jim's opinion , I'd still say that in itself means that Fergie is Stubborn to think that we don't need anyone else or that Anderson will probably eventually make the cut and as far as Cleverley goes as much as i admire and like him , i think its fairly too early to give him the kind of hype he is being given.
Besides if we go repeatedly after wingers when we do have plenty i fail to see the reason why Fergie can't do the same with CM's. I mean even for wingers it is still 2 positions only to fight for isn't it.
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Post by fletchabey on Jul 31, 2012 16:19:23 GMT
You're 100% right there jim, but you have to admit our tranfer policy in central midfield has been strange to say the least in the last 5 years or so. If the tabloids, papers and fans are all able to see what we're lacking I'm fairly sure SAF does too. yeah this was the basis for the other thread, why have so few of his center mid signings since he signed keane in 93 been a success? arguably only one or two in nearly 20 years. he's still waiting on ando and he's also got big faith in cleverley. that could explain why he's not intent on bringing someone in What transfer policy in the last 5 years? We haven't signed anyone since Ando and Hargreaves came in 07, well except Powell anyway. No idea what SAF thinking has been over that time, hes been more than happy to take a punt on a winger or striker for a few mill and test them in the first team. With Hargreaves injuries and Scholes age, you'd have thought at some point we'd have tried to sign someone but no. Then with Fletchers condition and Schoels retirement further compounding the issue you'd think something would have been done but no. We screwed up when Modric went to spurs for £15mill. No doubt Fergie mistakenly thought he'd be too lightweight and was proved wrong. He'd have been ideal at the time, the right age the right price and good talent. I've said it many times before but I'll say it again. It doesnt bother me so much that we haven't splashed out £30mill at some point to get us a midfielder. What bothers me is inactivity to take punts here or there on a cheaper alternative. We've been lazy in this regard. Fergies certainly been stubborn. I believe he looks at Scholes and Giggs and thinks he cant do better so why go out and spend. Its ironic then that he has Rooney, Welbeck, Kagawa, Hernandez and Berbatov but still goes in for a god damn striker. It looks like ablindspot to me, he just isn't as good at spotting midfield talents as he has been wingers, strikers and CB's. |
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Post by sleel6 on Aug 1, 2012 8:55:58 GMT
yeah this was the basis for the other thread, why have so few of his center mid signings since he signed keane in 93 been a success? arguably only one or two in nearly 20 years. he's still waiting on ando and he's also got big faith in cleverley. that could explain why he's not intent on bringing someone in What transfer policy in the last 5 years? We haven't signed anyone since Ando and Hargreaves came in 07, well except Powell anyway. No idea what SAF thinking has been over that time, hes been more than happy to take a punt on a winger or striker for a few mill and test them in the first team. With Hargreaves injuries and Scholes age, you'd have thought at some point we'd have tried to sign someone but no. Then with Fletchers condition and Schoels retirement further compounding the issue you'd think something would have been done but no. We screwed up when Modric went to spurs for £15mill. No doubt Fergie mistakenly thought he'd be too lightweight and was proved wrong. He'd have been ideal at the time, the right age the right price and good talent. I've said it many times before but I'll say it again. It doesnt bother me so much that we haven't splashed out £30mill at some point to get us a midfielder. What bothers me is inactivity to take punts here or there on a cheaper alternative. We've been lazy in this regard. Fergies certainly been stubborn. I believe he looks at Scholes and Giggs and thinks he cant do better so why go out and spend. Its ironic then that he has Rooney, Welbeck, Kagawa, Hernandez and Berbatov but still goes in for a god damn striker. It looks like ablindspot to me, he just isn't as good at spotting midfield talents as he has been wingers, strikers and CB's. Good post. I think it is fair to say Fergie has been stubborn in recent years when it comes to the midfield area. |
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Post by Dan United on Aug 1, 2012 9:03:22 GMT
You could say that, unlike most fans, he has had faith in our midfield. We all see the way our midfield has been dominated by better teams at times, but he could throw back the fact that we've won the CL, come second to one of the greatest teams of all time twice, and won 4 of the last 6 PLs.
Personally, I do think we need more in midfield. I think Fergie agrees. Nasri and Sneijder last year, Ozil the year before. It seems, quite understandably, that Fergie doesn't want to buy just anyone, and when he misses out on his preferred option, he doesn't then want to just buy for the sake of it. I wouldn't necessarily call that stubborn. That's just having standards.
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Post by fletchabey on Aug 1, 2012 9:23:24 GMT
You could say that, unlike most fans, he has had faith in our midfield. We all see the way our midfield has been dominated by better teams at times, but he could throw back the fact that we've won the CL, come second to one of the greatest teams of all time twice, and won 4 of the last 6 PLs. Personally, I do think we need more in midfield. I think Fergie agrees. Nasri and Sneijder last year, Ozil the year before. It seems, quite understandably, that Fergie doesn't want to buy just anyone, and when he misses out on his preferred option, he doesn't then want to just buy for the sake of it. I wouldn't necessarily call that stubborn. That's just having standards. There's not buying for the sake of it and then there's not buying any midfielders for 5 years. 5 years in which we've only lost midfield players. And out of those 5 years at least 3 have been almost unanimously identified as our weakest area. Fergie could have bided his time if he'd actually done as I suggested and actually punted on someone here or there. Its not really about what ifs, last season we already paid the price for our inactivity. Like I said, I think it says a lot that he's probably happy with his midfield options yet wants to add RVP upfront. If only he had that ambition, if thats the word, for his midfield options. |
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Post by jimbonda on Aug 1, 2012 9:23:58 GMT
It's a hard pill to swallow when Sahin got brought for £7.5 million & we are forking out £12-20 million (depending on what press you choose to listen) for Kagawa, a player in the last year of his contract -albeit we will make a shed load from shirt sales. Last year we paid £16 million on Young who was also in the last year. Tad ridiculous don't tell me you got wind kagawa had signed for that money and thought FUCK!!! madrid got sahin for 7 and a half!!!! who gives a shit, we just bought a quality player for under 20 million quid, that's a feat in todays market. you do have a point generally though, when nasri was in his last 12 months and the whispers started that he was off i thought arsenal would do well to get 8mil. the value doesn't seem to drop so much these days when a player is running down his contract. |
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Post by traffordbrown on Aug 2, 2012 8:29:23 GMT
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