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Post by Rustin Cohle on May 15, 2019 7:59:35 GMT
I will also say that a lot hangs on the final episode. There’s a few story threads that need to be paid off that could have a big impact. For me, the biggest one is whether Bran does anything.
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2019 20:49:53 GMT
The decision to reduce this season to 6 episodes (probably a financial one) I think has crippled parts of the story and makes everything seem so fast. But the negativity surrounding the season is borderline embarrassing. This is a show built on most characters getting murdered and what happens afterwards.
People saying it has been predictable are talking out of their rear ends. In fact, it's been the single most unpredictable season so far. I read the books before I watched the show, and sure they changed things and ommitted characters here and there, but they have done a hell of a job to make it a fun and engaging show. Not without fault, but absolutely worth every hour I've watched of it.
Looking forward to seeing how it all ends.
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2019 21:15:19 GMT
I still absolutely adore the show. The first 4 or 5 seasons is the best t.v I've ever seen. Pure 10/10 stuff. I'll probably continue to watch it in it's entirety every couple of years and will definitely look forward to seeing the prequel shows they've got lined up afterwards.
Problem is that they set such high standard early on that anything less than perfection is going to be criticised. Little things are going to be picked up on because people were used to everything being absolutely spot on.
It's still mostly excellent, the visuals are excellent, the music is excellent, some of the characters are still brilliant and very engaging and they've still managed to knock it completely out of the park with some episodes but there are definitely holes that weren't there in the first few seasons.
Nothing wrong with loving the show but also wanting them to do and have done some things differently.
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Post by Bestie on May 15, 2019 21:29:53 GMT
The decision to reduce this season to 6 episodes (probably a financial one) I think has crippled parts of the story and makes everything seem so fast. But the negativity surrounding the season is borderline embarrassing. This is a show built on most characters getting murdered and what happens afterwards. People saying it has been predictable are talking out of their rear ends. In fact, it's been the single most unpredictable season so far. I read the books before I watched the show, and sure they changed things and ommitted characters here and there, but they have done a hell of a job to make it a fun and engaging show. Not without fault, but absolutely worth every hour I've watched of it. Looking forward to seeing how it all ends. HBO offered them full budget for ten episodes. Turned it down. As I say, haven't even watched the thing but I've caught parts of this season. Even I reckon your bleached blonde woman going from wanting to bring peace to the realm to cooking an entire city is a bit of a WTF. Where is the character progression to that point? A bunch of different characters bitching about her da being mental doesn't really count. |
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Post by dazjoe on May 15, 2019 21:47:32 GMT
The decision to reduce this season to 6 episodes (probably a financial one) I think has crippled parts of the story and makes everything seem so fast. But the negativity surrounding the season is borderline embarrassing. This is a show built on most characters getting murdered and what happens afterwards. People saying it has been predictable are talking out of their rear ends. In fact, it's been the single most unpredictable season so far. I read the books before I watched the show, and sure they changed things and ommitted characters here and there, but they have done a hell of a job to make it a fun and engaging show. Not without fault, but absolutely worth every hour I've watched of it. Looking forward to seeing how it all ends. HBO offered them full budget for ten episodes. Turned it down. As I say, haven't even watched the thing but I've caught parts of this season. Even I reckon your bleached blonde woman going from wanting to bring peace to the realm to cooking an entire city is a bit of a WTF. Where is the character progression to that point? A bunch of different characters bitching about her da being mental doesn't really count.
It's always been there. Admittedly, she has previously seemed to direct her venom at the actual soldiers, warriors, etc; not the general public, but the people trying to make out she's went from sweetness and puppy tails to insane fucking mad woman are just wrong.
She previously declared "When my dragons are grown, we will take back what was stolen from me and destroy those who have wronged me. We will lay waste to armies and burn cities to the ground!”
She crucified 163 keepers of slaves because the same amount of slaves had been crucified. Didn't bother trying to work out who was guilty, or give anyone a trial, just horribly murdered them.
She's also said “I will crucify the masters. I will set their fleets afire. I will kill every last one of their soldiers and return their cities to the dirt. That’s my plan.” Again, you could argue she's only targeting the soldiers, but if you burn the city to the ground, where do the civilians live? What happens to the one's hiding in their houses as you burn it to the ground?
There have been other examples, but she has always had a real mad, mean streak that other people have managed to talk her round from. Those people are either all dead now, or have betrayed her (in her eyes), or given her bad advice (Tyrion). She thought she would be beloved back in Westeros, and finds this is far from true. She comes north, putting her own life, the life of her dragons and her army at risk to save the north, again thinking they would worship her for this, and finds they still dislike her and all love Jon.
Whilst is wasn't perfectly written, I'd agree, the idea that Dany could turn pretty fast had always been there.
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2019 22:20:17 GMT
Yeah I'm not entirely sure what people who are taken totally by surprise at Dany's actions have been watching. The possibility of this kind of act being in her has been touted right from the start.
It was a shocking scene to watch in the sense of the absolute chaos and devastation she caused but it certainly wasn't out of the blue.
It was totally brilliant as well in a sick kind of way.
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2019 22:24:03 GMT
Also, just a word on The Hound. One of the best characters in the show, certainly had the best lines. He got the ending he deserved.
We got the satisfaction of Cleganebowl, which was completely fucking bonkers and brilliant, also finding time for humour, as well as a rather poetic ending of him throwing them both into the fire to their deaths.
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Post by dazjoe on May 15, 2019 22:45:32 GMT
Also, just a word on The Hound. One of the best characters in the show, certainly had the best lines. He got the ending he deserved. We got the satisfaction of Cleganebowl, which was completely fucking bonkers and brilliant, also finding time for humour, as well as a rather poetic ending of him throwing them both into the fire to their deaths.
Yeah, loved The Hound. Which was good writing as he was hated to begin with; big, evil fucker who killed the butchers boy for absolutely nothing. But then he saved Sansa, left Joffrey, and warmed to Arya and you started to see the best of him.
The writing was excellent in making you see different sides to people. I re-watched the first couple of episodes not long ago (was going to try to re-watch the lot before the last season but realised I wouldn't make it in time) and there was a scene with Joffrey and Cersei that had you sympathising with him. It was when he saw Arya and the butchers boy sparring and Arya knocked him on his arse. Robert is basically disgusted that he got beat by a girl, and he was crying to Cersei afterwards, about how he wants to be a man like his "dad" but just wasn't like him.
As much as I fucking loathed Joffrey, I felt for him in that scene. He's just a spoilt little kid who has a huge, menacing, war hero as a father (forget the fat old man Robert is in the show, in the books it's clear that as a younger man he was a huge, ferocious bear of a man), and wants to be the same as him, wants to impress his father, but it's just not in his nature and he's aware that his dad looks down on him for him. You actually felt for this kid, just for a moment.
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Post by Monty on May 15, 2019 22:46:35 GMT
HBO offered them full budget for ten episodes. Turned it down. As I say, haven't even watched the thing but I've caught parts of this season. Even I reckon your bleached blonde woman going from wanting to bring peace to the realm to cooking an entire city is a bit of a WTF. Where is the character progression to that point? A bunch of different characters bitching about her da being mental doesn't really count.
It's always been there. Admittedly, she has previously seemed to direct her venom at the actual soldiers, warriors, etc; not the general public, but the people trying to make out she's went from sweetness and puppy tails to insane fucking mad woman are just wrong.
She previously declared "When my dragons are grown, we will take back what was stolen from me and destroy those who have wronged me. We will lay waste to armies and burn cities to the ground!”
She crucified 163 keepers of slaves because the same amount of slaves had been crucified. Didn't bother trying to work out who was guilty, or give anyone a trial, just horribly murdered them.
She's also said “I will crucify the masters. I will set their fleets afire. I will kill every last one of their soldiers and return their cities to the dirt. That’s my plan.” Again, you could argue she's only targeting the soldiers, but if you burn the city to the ground, where do the civilians live? What happens to the one's hiding in their houses as you burn it to the ground?
There have been other examples, but she has always had a real mad, mean streak that other people have managed to talk her round from. Those people are either all dead now, or have betrayed her (in her eyes), or given her bad advice (Tyrion). She thought she would be beloved back in Westeros, and finds this is far from true. She comes north, putting her own life, the life of her dragons and her army at risk to save the north, again thinking they would worship her for this, and finds they still dislike her and all love Jon.
Whilst is wasn't perfectly written, I'd agree, the idea that Dany could turn pretty fast had always been there.
I genuinely don't understand these people. Dany battling with her inner Targaryen and the whole will she/won't she go mad has been has been one of the main themes of her story since season 3. |
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Post by Monty on May 15, 2019 22:49:44 GMT
Also, just a word on The Hound. One of the best characters in the show, certainly had the best lines. He got the ending he deserved. We got the satisfaction of Cleganebowl, which was completely fucking bonkers and brilliant, also finding time for humour, as well as a rather poetic ending of him throwing them both into the fire to their deaths. The Hound and Tormund were the best characters in the show. I loved Cleganebowl. Having them fight on a staircase in a tower was a masterstroke. I wasn't expecting it to go down like that at all. |
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2019 23:18:27 GMT
It's always been there. Admittedly, she has previously seemed to direct her venom at the actual soldiers, warriors, etc; not the general public, but the people trying to make out she's went from sweetness and puppy tails to insane fucking mad woman are just wrong.
She previously declared "When my dragons are grown, we will take back what was stolen from me and destroy those who have wronged me. We will lay waste to armies and burn cities to the ground!”
She crucified 163 keepers of slaves because the same amount of slaves had been crucified. Didn't bother trying to work out who was guilty, or give anyone a trial, just horribly murdered them.
She's also said “I will crucify the masters. I will set their fleets afire. I will kill every last one of their soldiers and return their cities to the dirt. That’s my plan.” Again, you could argue she's only targeting the soldiers, but if you burn the city to the ground, where do the civilians live? What happens to the one's hiding in their houses as you burn it to the ground?
There have been other examples, but she has always had a real mad, mean streak that other people have managed to talk her round from. Those people are either all dead now, or have betrayed her (in her eyes), or given her bad advice (Tyrion). She thought she would be beloved back in Westeros, and finds this is far from true. She comes north, putting her own life, the life of her dragons and her army at risk to save the north, again thinking they would worship her for this, and finds they still dislike her and all love Jon.
Whilst is wasn't perfectly written, I'd agree, the idea that Dany could turn pretty fast had always been there.
I genuinely don't understand these people. Dany battling with her inner Targaryen and the whole will she/won't she go mad has been has been one of the main themes of her story since season 3. I was personally team Dany since ep 1 so bit upset and surprised with how little push she needed to reach that but It made sense. Still kinda hoping she stays there tbh. I wouldn't be upset anyway. Might be nice is she does away with houses and blood succession. She could just be open about being the mad Queen. |
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2019 23:53:54 GMT
The decision to reduce this season to 6 episodes (probably a financial one) I think has crippled parts of the story and makes everything seem so fast. But the negativity surrounding the season is borderline embarrassing. This is a show built on most characters getting murdered and what happens afterwards. People saying it has been predictable are talking out of their rear ends. In fact, it's been the single most unpredictable season so far. I read the books before I watched the show, and sure they changed things and ommitted characters here and there, but they have done a hell of a job to make it a fun and engaging show. Not without fault, but absolutely worth every hour I've watched of it. Looking forward to seeing how it all ends. HBO offered them full budget for ten episodes. Turned it down. As I say, haven't even watched the thing but I've caught parts of this season. Even I reckon your bleached blonde woman going from wanting to bring peace to the realm to cooking an entire city is a bit of a WTF. Where is the character progression to that point? A bunch of different characters bitching about her da being mental doesn't really count. If someone watched an episode of season 1 and then watched last weeks episode they very well could say that was her progression, but it absolutely wasn't. Even if we just look at the episode before this, her most trusted advisor was executed during a parlay with the enemy and the advisors last words to her were "Dracarys" which is the command for the dragons to burn everything. If we really want to get to the bottom of it,
*She fled the country of her birth to evade death
*she was tortured by her older brother
*She was passed between rich foreigners as they tried to sell her to warlords
*She was then raped repeatedly until she became a victim of Stockholm syndrome
*She watched her brother being smelted alive.
*She made a terrible mistake and her husband died because of it
*Her baby died and she was told she would never have another child
*Her people abandoned her
*She walked into fire and exited with 3 baby dragons. Now believing herself to be their mother.
*She wandered the desert aimlessly begging for help
*her dragons get stolen. She loses the plot as she tries to get them back and then burns the guy who stole them alive
*She decides to free slaves and burn their masters alive. This was documented above.
*she burns all the leaders of the Dothraki horde alive.
*Her bodyguard betrayed her, redeemed himself, then sacrificed his life for her.
*she loses tactical battles, blames advisor. Threatens to kill him if he fails her again.
*Executes prisoners instead of imprisoning them. Including noblemen and their kin.
*her first dragon is killed
*She loses half her army
*She realised the people of the country she is to rule hate her
*Another advisors betrays her. She executes him by burning him alive.
*She learns her lover is now her Nephew AND has a better claim to her throne,
*Second of her dragons is killed
And that's what I can remember off top of my head.
The other characters also predicted what she ended up doing as far back as season 2, then again in season 6. People who didnt see her potentially going mad after the failed parlay with the enemy alone are a bit naive! |
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Post by aussiegraham on May 16, 2019 3:25:53 GMT
The decision to reduce this season to 6 episodes (probably a financial one) I think has crippled parts of the story and makes everything seem so fast. But the negativity surrounding the season is borderline embarrassing. This is a show built on most characters getting murdered and what happens afterwards. People saying it has been predictable are talking out of their rear ends. In fact, it's been the single most unpredictable season so far. I read the books before I watched the show, and sure they changed things and ommitted characters here and there, but they have done a hell of a job to make it a fun and engaging show. Not without fault, but absolutely worth every hour I've watched of it. Looking forward to seeing how it all ends. My very clever arse told my wife that Ayra would kill the Night King when she requested the weapon be made, that nothing would happen to Bran, that the Hound was travelling to settle a score with his brother (not Cersi), that Jamie would kill Cersi's latest beau, that the battle would continue after the bells had been rung and that Ayra would survive to the last episode. I'm either a genius (I assure you I'm not!  ), or it's predictable! |
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2019 4:02:10 GMT
The decision to reduce this season to 6 episodes (probably a financial one) I think has crippled parts of the story and makes everything seem so fast. But the negativity surrounding the season is borderline embarrassing. This is a show built on most characters getting murdered and what happens afterwards. People saying it has been predictable are talking out of their rear ends. In fact, it's been the single most unpredictable season so far. I read the books before I watched the show, and sure they changed things and ommitted characters here and there, but they have done a hell of a job to make it a fun and engaging show. Not without fault, but absolutely worth every hour I've watched of it. Looking forward to seeing how it all ends. My very clever arse told my wife that Ayra would kill the Night King when she requested the weapon be made, that nothing would happen to Bran, that the Hound was travelling to settle a score with his brother (not Cersi), that Jamie would kill Cersi's latest beau, that the battle would continue after the bells had been rung and that Ayra would survive to the last episode. I'm either a genius (I assure you I'm not! ), or it's predictable! Ah the hindsight bullshitter  You predicted Dany murdering everyone after the City surrendered? If you predicted her doing the big villain turn that way then you are ahead of the curve. In hindsight I can see they laid the foundations for it but I never saw anyone predicting how this was going to go down. Did you predict Jamie and Cersei would die together in the dragon skull room? Everyone predicted a MUCH bigger death for Cersei. Most people thought Arya was going to do the faceless man gimmick to kill Cersei. Or the prophesy from the books that one of her younger brothers would kill her. Most thought Tyrion but others thought that because technically Jamie was born after she was made him the younger brother. Well done predicting Arya killing the NK though. I genuinely didnt think she was going to be in Winterfell at all, I thought she was going straight to Kings Landing. Even when she was there getting the weapon made I didnt reckon they would make the whole fecking episode about her and then she got him with Brans blade and not the special weapon Gendry made. Will say that everyone predicted the CLEGANEBOWL. It was always going to happen. It is literally fan fiction that made it's way into the TV show. So what happens in next episode then? I'm fucking stumped personally! |
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Post by aussiegraham on May 16, 2019 9:29:00 GMT
It is what it is, and I’m not bull s’ing. It’s all relative though, of course there’s stuff I didn’t get but compared to the earlier episodes when the left balls were being bowled left, right and centre ..... it’s predictable!
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