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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2012 20:29:16 GMT
Aye Jimbo, hes got competition for his place now which is healthy for him and those around him, It hopefully will push him to improve. When we signed RVP our instant thought was RVP and Rooney up from. This could and probably still will happen. If Rooney can sort his head out then that partnership can be fuckin deadly. I for one hope it pulls off. I love nothing more than proving doubters wrong so we can laugh in their faces even more.
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Post by jimbonda on Aug 28, 2012 20:36:23 GMT
yeah i expect the plan is still for roonbat and van perse to play together. all going well that will happen.
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Post by reddub on Aug 28, 2012 20:44:03 GMT
Jim, yeah you were asking how we thought Rooney would do now that he has genuine competition for a place.
Think i mentioned it earlier in this thread, i expect him to take his game to the next level and meet the challenge. Absolutely.
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Post by Bestie on Aug 28, 2012 21:17:18 GMT
I asked this two days ago in this thread. I'd love to know who we'll be bringing in instead of chubby, zero form, ball control-less, Wayne Rooney? The silence has been deafening. Says it all. We're not saying replace him outright (yet), we're having a discussion about how we think he could be better and more productive for us. I don't think that's anything to be snide about. |
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Post by reddub on Aug 28, 2012 21:24:15 GMT
If that came across as being a bit snide, i apologise Bestie.
That wasn't my intention.
I'm a bit of a fan of Wayne's and sometimes my emotions can get the better of me! I respect everybodys views though, good, bad and indifferent.
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Post by fletchabey on Aug 28, 2012 21:41:33 GMT
yeah i expect the plan is still for roonbat and van perse to play together. all going well that will happen. Together as in both up front or both happening to be on the pitch? Both upfront doesn't really work unless we plan on dropping Kagawa or shifting him elsewhere. At the moment every indication is we shouldn't want to be doing that. It an interesting conundrum. It could be tough for Rooney if he's out for several weeks (which is possible if there was muscle damage) which will give Kagawa and RVP time to gel in typical positions. I said a fair bit during the summer, pre-RVP, we'd move Rooney further on and have Kagawa in behind him. It seems sensible still to me, so its a direct scrap between RVP and Rooney for the striker role. Once all options are available to us, it'll be interesting to see if one of them does gets pushed outwide. Its happened to Rooney before, he was efficient but no where as involved. Maybe we wont need him too. Or maybe we'll eventually adopt over strategy of dropping the more orthodox wing play and going for a more flexible attacking unit that I fap over. interesting times, but we are United. we'll never have everyone available anyway. |
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Post by ginger18legend on Aug 28, 2012 21:50:05 GMT
^ I don't think we have to drop Kagawa to play both Rooney and RVP. I'd go with the formation Bestie posted on another thread. Valencia on the right wing with Rooney, RVP and Kagawa interchanging as striker, attacking midfielder and left winger. Wouldn't give the opposition defence a moment's rest. That would be the deadliest strike force in Europe!
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Post by reddub on Aug 28, 2012 21:54:35 GMT
Just a personal opinion here but i can recall the times that Rooney was pushed out wide, effectively on the wing, and it didn't really work.
He was okay but as fletch says he wasn't as involved in the game or near as effective.
If memory serves me correct we pushed Rooney out wide during some Champions League games previously. He was blunt out there.
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Post by ginger18legend on Aug 28, 2012 21:58:02 GMT
He was quite good on the left when Ronaldo was around, and ever since he has pretty much played up top. Anyway, like I say, if it isn't working out he can always switch with Van Persie or Kagawa. That is the beauty of this system.
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Post by Bestie on Aug 28, 2012 21:59:41 GMT
If that came across as being a bit snide, i apologise Bestie. That wasn't my intention. I'm a bit of a fan of Wayne's and sometimes my emotions can get the better of me! I respect everybodys views though, good, bad and indifferent. Oh, it's alright. It just, hurt, a little.  Everybody' cool here! |
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Post by fletchabey on Aug 28, 2012 22:18:20 GMT
^ I don't think we have to drop Kagawa to play both Rooney and RVP. I'd go with the formation Bestie posted on another thread. Valencia on the right wing with Rooney, RVP and Kagawa interchanging as striker, attacking midfielder and left winger. Wouldn't give the opposition defence a moment's rest. That would be the deadliest strike force in Europe! but do we necessarily want much interchanging when Kagawa seems the ideal man to knit midfield and upfront together? Is Rooney or RVP going out to left a better choice than having a actually proper winger out there? Don't get me wrong I love the idea of flexible formations, but the personnel for it are as easy to call. No mention of Nani either, who alongside Kagawa is our best player in tight, high pressure area's. If its a flexibility and intricate play you want, we'd want him in there. |
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Post by ginger18legend on Aug 28, 2012 22:23:40 GMT
That would be my fantasy team at least. Kagawa might be superb in his current role but he too will have days when he finds the going tough. As for having a proper winger there, both Nani and Young are expendable in my book if the alternative is playing those three together. Nani might have good close control but he first needs to up his level of consistency for me to have more faith in him. Besides, I'm not to sure if he'll be here beyond August.
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Post by fletchabey on Aug 28, 2012 22:42:38 GMT
That would be my fantasy team at least. Kagawa might be superb in his current role but he too will have days when he finds the going tough. As for having a proper winger there, both Nani and Young are expendable in my book if the alternative is playing those three together. Nani might have good close control but he first needs to up his level of consistency for me to have more faith in him. Besides, I'm not to sure if he'll be here beyond August.Why not? It would be retarded to sell Nani. the only conceivable reason would be some extreme level of drama we haven't been privy too and at what point? He wouldn't then have started at Everton. On the consistency point all i'll add is this and then will discontinue on talking about him in this thread for my own benefit. Last season in terms of goals and assists he produced almost as much as Valencia did his own bestest award winning season and with the Nani vitriol around here the impression is Nani had quite a terrible year, which seems ironic. Also he showed a hell of a lot of consistency over the period of Jan 2010- March 2011. He dragged us through that time period where Rooney had his contract tantrum and disappeared for 3 months, setting up more goals than anyone that year by a clear margin. Over the time period mentioned he was scoring and assisting at a combined rate of once per game. Last year wasn't good by the standard he set before, fair enough. Lets not pretend he's never shown any consistency ever though. That would just be goldfish syndrome, which seems to be a bit of a problem on here at times. If we were to sell him and regains that form, well done, we'd have just sold a £50m player. Me though I'd rather we just keep him as he enter his peak years and get him back to his best and maybe even another step beyond. A best that is better than certain other players in our squad. |
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Post by Raf's Hairdryer Treatment on Aug 28, 2012 22:48:31 GMT
Think that there's a possibility that he's stagnated because the pressure got too much makes a lot of sense. When he's out of form the lack of touch and clean strike screams of someone forcing their game. Sharing the burden/responsibility could work wonders. Think dropping him could kick start the return of a certain prodigious 18 yr old white Pele.  |
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Post by fletchabey on Aug 28, 2012 22:54:05 GMT
Think that there's a possibility that he's stagnated because the pressure got too much makes a lot of sense. When he's out of form the lack of touch and clean strike screams of someone forcing their game. Sharing the burden/responsibility could work wonders. Think dropping him could kick start the return of a certain prodigious 18 yr old white Pele. He worked well in tandem with Ronaldo so its not like has the be the main man I think. I do think it could help bring the best out of him. It'll be interesting to see him deal with what I currently see as direct competition. |
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