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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2014 23:55:23 GMT
Off-load Fellaini and as others have mentioned, play Tunnicliffe, Pearson, and Ekangamene in his stead. That at least we build for the furtue by either blooding good enough youngsters or we know we need to find others. While I like the idea of getting the young players involved, teenage CMs are a damn rarity. Tunnicliffe isn't good enough unless something drastic happened in his loan and its too early for the others*. This is my point, we still need a squad for next year, if he still doesn't fit summer 2015 and we have a player to step up, then it becomes a good idea. At this very moment we have room for at least 1 CM, with Ando and Giggs gone, at least 2. Combine that with a LB, a CB and winger, I just dont see the resources to ditch and replace a 3rd CM for the sake of it. *Secretly I hope Pearson will emerge as Carrick replacement in time anyway. Carrick being another who is probably about to decline relatively soon. I'd agree most centre mids take a while to really be ready for regular football, as it is quite a physical position. But the best ones are in the team before they hit 20. Fabregas was a regular at 16/17. Pogba a regular at 19. Keane was a regular at Forest at 19. Robson was a regular in the 1st div with West Brom at 19. Carrick a regular at 19. Lampard became a real regular at West Ham at 19. Regardless of those kids we have being 18/19, lets at least give them a sniff. Others have done it at the top level at their age. We'd still have the experience of Carrick and Fletcher to help them out, hell even Cleverley will be a pretty experienced player by next season with international football, Champions league football, and a title medal to his name. If you add another top class international player into the mix then we should be fine. And giving an 18 year old Pearson a go HAS to be better in every way then just wheeling out old man Giggs to totter around. |
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Post by Chelsea Rentboy on Jan 14, 2014 0:01:08 GMT
Mentioned this in the other thread, Ando to Fiorentina in this window. Done and dusted from what I'm reading anyway!
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Post by mocthezuma on Jan 14, 2014 7:51:04 GMT
Fellaini is 26?? Anderson is only 25... We're selling the wrong player. Just no. Anderson has had a huge amount of chances and sadly done very little with them. It's a shame as he was outstanding in the early part of his career but a combo of factors stopped him from becoming what we hoped. I don't think he ever recovered from Rome in 09. Yet he started and controlled the midfield in the 7-1 win over Blackburn in 2010, and the 8-2 win over Arsenal in 2011. Clearly didn't recover from 09 then... But I'd rather see him leave and play than stay and not play. That being said, I'd rather see us sell Fellaini. Or release him for free. |
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Post by kstandhand on Jan 14, 2014 8:05:16 GMT
Fabio has gone to Cardiff on loan.
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Post by Jayrannasaurus on Jan 14, 2014 8:35:54 GMT
Anderson leaving means we need to strengthen, Moyes has showed his hand as we're too short in that area to compete for CL spots.
Quite frankly I'm surprised they let him go without already lining up an incoming transfer - a real one, not this Pogba/Vidal shite.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2014 8:47:52 GMT
Anderson leaving means we need to strengthen, Moyes has showed his hand as we're too short in that area to compete for CL spots. Quite frankly I'm surprised they let him go without already lining up an incoming transfer - a real one, not this Pogba/Vidal shite. In total we have Carrick, Giggs, Cleverley, Fletcher, Fellaini, Jones am I missing anyone? Rooney in an emergency. Thats 6-7 midfielders, average though they are they are all better than Anderson. If we can recall Powell then he is too. Anderson needs to go to revive his career. |
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Post by mightyez on Jan 14, 2014 8:57:57 GMT
As mentioned either we have someone coming in or ando leaving means they are fully confident in Fletcher's fitness.
To be honest getting rid of midfielders is not a bad idea, we are bloated there and bar, fletcher, carrick and fellaini( I still believe he will come good) the rest are not of any quality (ando, giggs and cleverley) quality over quantity I say.
I would rather ando is sold than loaned incase he goes and breaks down or is very poor. Sell cleverley he should be nowhere near starting for us, it then leaves room to add a quality attacking mid.
Left back concerns me, evra is off in the summer, buttner can't defend and Fabio is going on loan, my guess with a view to leave as he is out of contract in the summer, we need to get someone in and extend fabio's contract, I'd sell buttner
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Post by Jayrannasaurus on Jan 14, 2014 8:57:58 GMT
Powell isn't being recalled.
Carrick > Fletcher > Jones > Cleverley > Giggs > Fellaini (out for at least another month or even two) - in order of importance/performance this season.
My point isn't the number of personnel MB, it's the quality. You can stick 3 Cleverleys in midfield and we'd still be overrun and without creativity.
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Post by Rene Meulensteen on Jan 14, 2014 9:01:17 GMT
I'm actually quite pleased we're shipping Ando out, FINALLY. It shows we know where our weaknesses are in our squad which is better than nothing. I do however think if we know where to sell we should know where to buy also.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2014 9:05:59 GMT
Powell isn't being recalled. Carrick > Fletcher > Jones > Cleverley > Giggs > Fellaini (out for at least another month or even two) - in order of importance/performance this season. My point isn't the number of personnel MB, it's the quality. You can stick 3 Cleverleys in midfield and we'd still be overrun and without creativity. Agree totally. Carrick is in his twilight. Fletch is an uncertainty due to health, Jones is a long term CB, Cleverley is not good enough for Manchester United,Giggs is finished and Fellaini's position in the team is doubtful. We need at least 2 top class CM's. |
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Post by ratbag on Jan 14, 2014 9:15:22 GMT
Fabio has gone to Cardiff on loan. If so (and I have seen something about this too) then surely DD must be confident of getting someone in at LB? ....then again we are relying on Deadwood to make the deal happen....  |
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Post by Stew on Jan 14, 2014 9:55:35 GMT
Just no. Anderson has had a huge amount of chances and sadly done very little with them. It's a shame as he was outstanding in the early part of his career but a combo of factors stopped him from becoming what we hoped. I don't think he ever recovered from Rome in 09. Yet he started and controlled the midfield in the 7-1 win over Blackburn in 2010, and the 8-2 win over Arsenal in 2011. Clearly didn't recover from 09 then... But I'd rather see him leave and play than stay and not play. That being said, I'd rather see us sell Fellaini. Or release him for free. Seriously, you're like a fucking Jim Jones disciple. A once in a lifetime, freak result against an injury hit Arsenal and a game against a wretched Blackburn that finished 15th. The stuff of dreams. I'm suprised you left out his now legendary performance in the league cup. Was that against Newcastle's reserves or the full strength Wolves team, I forget? Yeah, he's clearly lived up to his billing as the Golden ball winner in 2005. What a terrible mistake this is going to prove, up there with selling Hughes and letting Pogba walk. |
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Post by mocthezuma on Jan 14, 2014 10:01:51 GMT
Yet he started and controlled the midfield in the 7-1 win over Blackburn in 2010, and the 8-2 win over Arsenal in 2011. Clearly didn't recover from 09 then... But I'd rather see him leave and play than stay and not play. That being said, I'd rather see us sell Fellaini. Or release him for free. Seriously, you're like a fucking Jim Jones disciple. A once in a lifetime, freak result against an injury hit Arsenal and a game against a wretched Blackburn that finished 15th. The stuff of dreams. I'm suprised you left out his now legendary performance in the league cup. Was that against Newcastle's reserves or the full strength Wolves team, I forget? Yeah, he's clearly lived up to his billing as the Golden ball winner in 2005. What a terrible mistake this is going to prove, up there with selling Hughes and letting Pogba walk. More than Fellaini has ever done for us. But have it your way. |
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Post by Stew on Jan 14, 2014 10:14:59 GMT
Seriously, you're like a fucking Jim Jones disciple. A once in a lifetime, freak result against an injury hit Arsenal and a game against a wretched Blackburn that finished 15th. The stuff of dreams. I'm suprised you left out his now legendary performance in the league cup. Was that against Newcastle's reserves or the full strength Wolves team, I forget? Yeah, he's clearly lived up to his billing as the Golden ball winner in 2005. What a terrible mistake this is going to prove, up there with selling Hughes and letting Pogba walk. More than Fellaini has ever done for us. But have it your way. Fellani has been here 6 months, Anderson has been here 6 years. Hardly a fair comparison. Since 09 Anderson has had what, 5 good games? 10? how many has he played? I like Anderson btw. I always hoped he'd be the answer for us, that'd he be one of the first names on the sheet. He's far more talented than Fellani, any one can see that. But the injuries, the fitness, it's never happened for him. look at Lucas from the vermiin. Anderson is 100 times more naturally gifted. But Lucas has come back from each of his injuries fit and ready. Ando never did and that's the difference. I hope he does well in Italy, he probably will. |
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Post by Bestie on Jan 14, 2014 10:17:59 GMT
Off-load Fellaini and as others have mentioned, play Tunnicliffe, Pearson, and Ekangamene in his stead. That at least we build for the furtue by either blooding good enough youngsters or we know we need to find others. While I like the idea of getting the young players involved, teenage CMs are a damn rarity. Tunnicliffe isn't good enough unless something drastic happened in his loan and its too early for the others*. This is my point, we still need a squad for next year, if he still doesn't fit summer 2015 and we have a player to step up, then it becomes a good idea. At this very moment we have room for at least 1 CM, with Ando and Giggs gone, at least 2. Combine that with a LB, a CB and winger, I just dont see the resources to ditch and replace a 3rd CM for the sake of it. *Secretly I hope Pearson will emerge as Carrick replacement in time anyway. Carrick being another who is probably about to decline relatively soon.Pearson is a totally different player to Carrick. If anything, he could finally be the stand-in for the Keane/Butt role of actually tackling and dominating in midfield. |
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