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Post by On a break on May 25, 2016 21:21:16 GMT
I think its fair and accurate to say that Jose will be up and about the touchline if things are not going to plan during a game, it will be nice to have that back.
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Post by grandpaTJ on May 25, 2016 21:50:40 GMT
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Post by Bestie on May 25, 2016 22:08:52 GMT
Van Gaal's default was not lose. Mourinho's default is win. Questions over. To win the league yes. Many, many times he sets up for an away nil nil against the big teams and then beats them at home. Everyone should know this by now. Rubbish. The best barometer of Mourinho's tactics in big games are the ones against us. Every single time we were actually a threat, he played to hold the 0-0 and nail us with an incisive breakaway/against the run of play goal. Once would be fluke but he did it so often it's impossible to be anything other than tactic. Look at Liverpool away in the Slip year. Soak up pressure, lethal on the counter. That isn's boring and it isn't defensive. Fergie did it for years FFS. Newcastle 1-0 in 1996 anyone? |
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Post by dazjoe on May 25, 2016 22:27:06 GMT
Van Gaal's default was not lose. Mourinho's default is win. Questions over. To win the league yes. Many, many times he sets up for an away nil nil against the big teams and then beats them at home. Everyone should know this by now. Have to disagree. Look at his record against the big clubs. This was from May 2015: "Out of 40 league games against Liverpool, Manchester United, Manchester City and Arsenal, Mourinho has lost just three times." He then played Liverpool, City and Arsenal last season, losing two and winning one. So even with last season's meltdown, his record against those 4 clubs is still just 5 defeats in 43 games. You don't do that by being so negative and just playing for 0-0's. That tactic doesn't work often. Moyes tried it constantly for Everton and United and what was his record against the big teams? He doesn't set up for a 0-0, he just knows how to beat the better teams. And does it with amazing regularity. No other manager had a record against Ferguson anything like his, and not just at Chelsea, he got the better of him at Real and Porto as well. Starting defensively sound and hitting them on the break to win 1 or 2-0? Yup, that's his thing, and it works. |
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2016 22:47:00 GMT
To win the league yes. Many, many times he sets up for an away nil nil against the big teams and then beats them at home. Everyone should know this by now. Have to disagree. Look at his record against the big clubs. This was from May 2015: "Out of 40 league games against Liverpool, Manchester United, Manchester City and Arsenal, Mourinho has lost just three times." He then played Liverpool, City and Arsenal last season, losing two and winning one. So even with last season's meltdown, his record against those 4 clubs is still just 5 defeats in 43 games. You don't do that by being so negative and just playing for 0-0's. That tactic doesn't work often. Moyes tried it constantly for Everton and United and what was his record against the big teams? He doesn't set up for a 0-0, he just knows how to beat the better teams. And does it with amazing regularity. No other manager had a record against Ferguson anything like his, and not just at Chelsea, he got the better of him at Real and Porto as well. Starting defensively sound and hitting them on the break to win 1 or 2-0? Yup, that's his thing, and it works. If he wasn't United manager I doubt you'd be arguing that. Anyways, he is so go Jomo. |
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2016 23:17:35 GMT
Doesn't seem to be arguing anything to me, just stating fact. You have to win big games at all costs, how we do this is really not a concern. If you do it by dominating the game and spanking someone 3-0 then brilliant, if you do it by defending well and hitting them on the counter in injury time for a 1-0 victory then also brilliant. Mourinho is a master tactician and will do whatever he can to give us the best chance at winning the game.
How quickly people forget some of the stuff we used to play under Fergie. We were always an exceptional counter attack side when we needed to be. In fact the main reason he had such a good record away at Arsenal in his later years is because he stopped going toe-to-toe with them in terms of possession and starting playing on the counter. Maybe not to the extremity of which Mourinho sometimes does but he certainly did it. Some of those beautiful counter-attacking goals we scored away to them are amongst my favourite United goals ever.
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Post by Ole's Red Whiteknight03 Army on May 26, 2016 14:17:40 GMT
To win the league yes. Many, many times he sets up for an away nil nil against the big teams and then beats them at home. Everyone should know this by now. Rubbish. The best barometer of Mourinho's tactics in big games are the ones against us. Every single time we were actually a threat, he played to hold the 0-0 and nail us with an incisive breakaway/against the run of play goal. Once would be fluke but he did it so often it's impossible to be anything other than tactic. Look at Liverpool away in the Slip year. Soak up pressure, lethal on the counter. That isn's boring and it isn't defensive. Fergie did it for years FFS. Newcastle 1-0 in 1996 anyone? That is what I was just going to post. Mourinho's defensive football is being solid defensively, soaking up pressure and then suckering the opposition with a lightning counter attack and getting the result he needs. In Madrid that was large wins to keep pace with Barca, and he scored over 100 goals 3 seasons in a row, in Italy that was slightly less the case, and he scored less goals, but was still top scorers. He understands the football expected at United and I have no doubt that goals will follow. Mourinho's teams are solid at the back, but are always a threat offensively. If you gave his sides any sniff of goal, they would score truckloads, so other managers would sit back and hope to grind out a 0-0, 1-1. LvG's defensive football was sideways and backwards and no matter how bad the opposition was, we still couldn't score. Big difference. Also, there appears to be so much revisionism about football played during the Fergie years. Yes we won trophies, but we were not above sucking the life out of a match and hoping to win 1-0. Barca 08 was the biggest bus parking job of all time. We were the most feared attacking side on the planet, and made no attempts to attack over 180 min. In fact, since then, the football has been steadily getting worse, even under Fergie. This notion that we were a side built around winning 4-3 rather than 1-0 is just not true. VdS consecutive clean sheet record (where he barely had a save to make) contained some dire football because sides had worked out that if they sat back and dared us to break us down, Carrick would give it to Scholes, he'd hack it wide right and Valencia would hack it into the middle, and we wouldn't be able to score. We could get away with this style because a) it was Fergie, and b) we would consistently add at least something to the trophy cabinet. |
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Post by rafael02 on May 27, 2016 7:12:15 GMT
Not been on for a couple of days. Like the rest of you, I'm glad Van Gaals tenure is over. Enough has been said about the football, results, selections and substitutions it's not worth repeating. Away from what unfolded on the pitch too many times, I couldn't help but like the man. Too many images and comments to mention. Some of his pressers and interviews wre entertaining to say the least. That staredown on the interviewer, the wine and the mince pies and the long ball fact sheet for Big Sam, (did anyone notice the womans face as she passed the sheet to a journalist?. Quailty gold).  To his dive on the touchline against Arsenal, then the image of him looking all alone in the dugout with his head in his hands, (I can't remember the game, but despite hating the football, I just wanted to put an arm around him), and the fist in Giggsys face.  But the one vision I'll always remember was his celebration for Lingards winner in the cup final. Absolute quality. Hated the football. But I can't hate the man. In addition to all of the above, he was a proper old school man. Always had time for the fans, apparently ensured players interact with fans. Actually, a man that also stood firm to Ed/Glazers and not allowed them to get away with engaging players in too much commercial activities during pre-season training. I was actually very glad to read that he shifted them to a budget hotel in LA during preseason just to ensure it didn't affect football preparation. Was a character and absolutely the perfect fit as a United manager - shame his football wasn't as good. |
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Post by rafael02 on May 27, 2016 7:15:25 GMT
I believe the difference between Fergie and Mourinho is that irrespective of tactics, Fergie laid emphasis on skills with the ball and being aggressive in intent, whereas Mou's base is people make mistakes when they have more of the ball.
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Post by CaajScot on May 27, 2016 12:11:39 GMT
I thought this thread would be locked by now? After all, José is now our new manager and LVG has now gone and best of luck to him and I hope he can enjoy family life away from football, just a thought.  |
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Post by Monty on May 27, 2016 12:31:42 GMT
I think there's still potential for discussion about Louis.
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2016 12:36:02 GMT
Lock this shit down, get your well wishing in about him being a nice bloke etc, thank him for Rashford and move the fuck on.
Jose wants to forget the last 3 years and so do I.
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Post by renegadedevil on May 27, 2016 15:45:57 GMT
Fitting send-off
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Post by mightyez on May 27, 2016 15:49:10 GMT
fitting send off is the millions he will be paid, people need to forget this guy and the dross football he served up.
no sympathy for him from me.
he's in Portugal enjoying himself and I am here in an office
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2017 0:17:48 GMT
Calls it a day on his managerial career.
Regardless of the negative bits, I will always miss his interviews and press conferences. Some of which were funny as fuck.
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To his dive on the touchline against Arsenal, then the image of him looking all alone in the dugout with his head in his hands, (I can't remember the game, but despite hating the football, I just wanted to put an arm around him), and the fist in Giggsys face. 
