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Post by Stretty on Feb 19, 2023 20:53:36 GMT
Will hold my hands up but he has been very inconsistent before this season and it’s probably down to a combination of things like finally having a world class coaching setup and better players around him.
Saying that he looks in a far better place and long may it continue.
I think even haaland would struggle if mcfred, Maguire and lindelof where the centre core of the city team.
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Post by Monty on Feb 19, 2023 21:17:26 GMT
I was banging the Charles De Ketelaere drum pretty hard. He looked the business. Thought he was going to be Milan's next Kaka. But he's been absolute dogshit so far. There's still time for him to turn things round, but he needs to do it quickly.
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Post by smithy2 on Feb 19, 2023 23:43:49 GMT
We not counting his fa cup, Europa league and league cup medals? Well, no. He was certainly in the team when we won those. I'm taking about him stepping up and actually winning us trophies. There is no point in all these goals if he Harry Kane's the final next weekend and we end up potless. Scored a free kick in the Europa semi no? |
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Post by Bestie on Feb 20, 2023 0:19:20 GMT
Well, no. He was certainly in the team when we won those. I'm taking about him stepping up and actually winning us trophies. There is no point in all these goals if he Harry Kane's the final next weekend and we end up potless. Scored a free kick in the Europa semi no? Stop reaching, it's cringe. Just enjoy that Rashford is stepping up now and we can feel confident he will get us a goal next weekend. |
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Post by redcase on Feb 20, 2023 4:34:58 GMT
It’s time. Marcus MBE Mother Teresa 100% Pele Rashford. I remember repeating “he’s not a natural goal scorer” several times on here. Long, long may he continue. He hasn't won anything for us yet. Patience. No single player can win a trophy for a club over a year long football season. Rashford could score 30 goals a season and if the defense has a bad day on a cup final we would lose. So we begrudge him his performances by saying he couldn’t win it for us? I don’t think so. Man gets kudos for performing his role on a level nobody else in Europe can match at the moment. |
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Post by redcase on Feb 20, 2023 4:35:35 GMT
I was banging the Charles De Ketelaere drum pretty hard. He looked the business. Thought he was going to be Milan's next Kaka. But he's been absolute dogshit so far. There's still time for him to turn things round, but he needs to do it quickly. I don’t know who that is lol 😄 |
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Post by smithy2 on Feb 20, 2023 5:08:57 GMT
Scored a free kick in the Europa semi no? Stop reaching, it's cringe. Just enjoy that Rashford is stepping up now and we can feel confident he will get us a goal next weekend. Yes let’s keep ignoring Rashfords achievements when he was a teen because it doesn’t fit besties narrative. |
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Post by Paul on Feb 20, 2023 7:00:56 GMT
Speaking of which. Trophy or not he's still the most prolific player in Europe and is in the form of his life, world class form. Trophies are team acolocades and irrespective of what we win this season the lad deserved a lot of praise for how he's turned it around, same goes for Ten Hag for helping him get there. People wanted to see improvements, can't see how anyone can argue with how that's turned out this season.
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Post by Bestie on Feb 20, 2023 8:03:21 GMT
Stop reaching, it's cringe. Just enjoy that Rashford is stepping up now and we can feel confident he will get us a goal next weekend. Yes let’s keep ignoring Rashfords achievements when he was a teen because it doesn’t fit besties narrative. I am not ignoring them. I am saying being a part of a squad that is successful and being the driving force in a squad that is successful is different. Was David May undeniably world class, one of the greatest of all time, a lynchpin of Manchester United success? No. He contributed and was present. My bar for excellence without winning the really big trophies is Bryan Robson. If Rashford is at those levels but we're still not winning things, come back to me. Fortunately for all of us, I do not think we need to worry about that in the coming seasons. |
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Post by Bestie on Feb 20, 2023 8:12:54 GMT
He hasn't won anything for us yet. Patience. No single player can win a trophy for a club over a year long football season. Rashford could score 30 goals a season and if the defense has a bad day on a cup final we would lose. So we begrudge him his performances by saying he couldn’t win it for us? I don’t think so. Man gets kudos for performing his role on a level nobody else in Europe can match at the moment. I did not say Rashford should not get credit for his current performances. I have been praising him to higher and higher levels as he has proven his consistency. I compared him to Ronaldo in the last match day thread FFS - praise doesn't go higher than that. All I said was we should wait to get giddy until that translates to success. Which all being well should be about a week away. Scoring 30 goals but not winning a major trophy is a bit useless by the way. Rooney being the perfect example, as I doubt any United supporter would place the 2009/10 or 2011/12 seasons above 2007//08. |
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Post by redcase on Feb 20, 2023 11:22:46 GMT
Yes let’s keep ignoring Rashfords achievements when he was a teen because it doesn’t fit besties narrative. I am not ignoring them. I am saying being a part of a squad that is successful and being the driving force in a squad that is successful is different. Was David May undeniably world class, one of the greatest of all time, a lynchpin of Manchester United success? No. He contributed and was present. My bar for excellence without winning the really big trophies is Bryan Robson. If Rashford is at those levels but we're still not winning things, come back to me. Fortunately for all of us, I do not think we need to worry about that in the coming seasons.  If your bar for excellence is arguably the greatest captain in club history, the man who gives meaning to the term Captain Fantastic, then there is no point even debating because that is one of the all time legendary players for this club. The only yardstick for a striker is goals scored. At the moment there is nobody else in Europe who is on the same planet as Rashford. The amount of nay sayers he has had over the past year and his exceptional performances since the world cup merit a very thorough acknowledgement of what he's done. I doubt anyone is saying he has accomplished greatness. But it looks like he's on the path to it and our encouragement will only spur the man onward. That's the point of my initial post. |
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Post by Paul on Feb 20, 2023 12:05:43 GMT
I am not ignoring them. I am saying being a part of a squad that is successful and being the driving force in a squad that is successful is different. Was David May undeniably world class, one of the greatest of all time, a lynchpin of Manchester United success? No. He contributed and was present. My bar for excellence without winning the really big trophies is Bryan Robson. If Rashford is at those levels but we're still not winning things, come back to me. Fortunately for all of us, I do not think we need to worry about that in the coming seasons. If your bar for excellence is arguably the greatest captain in club history, the man who gives meaning to the term Captain Fantastic, then there is no point even debating because that is one of the all time legendary players for this club. The only yardstick for a striker is goals scored. At the moment there is nobody else in Europe who is on the same planet as Rashford. The amount of nay sayers he has had over the past year and his exceptional performances since the world cup merit a very thorough acknowledgement of what he's done. I doubt anyone is saying he has accomplished greatness. But it looks like he's on the path to it and our encouragement will only spur the man onward. That's the point of my initial post. Obviously im speaking figuratively here but we could end the season trophyless and it shouldn't change a thing in terms of his achievements this season and how he's turned it around for himself. |
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Post by Bestie on Feb 20, 2023 13:01:40 GMT
I am not ignoring them. I am saying being a part of a squad that is successful and being the driving force in a squad that is successful is different. Was David May undeniably world class, one of the greatest of all time, a lynchpin of Manchester United success? No. He contributed and was present. My bar for excellence without winning the really big trophies is Bryan Robson. If Rashford is at those levels but we're still not winning things, come back to me. Fortunately for all of us, I do not think we need to worry about that in the coming seasons. If your bar for excellence is arguably the greatest captain in club history, the man who gives meaning to the term Captain Fantastic, then there is no point even debating because that is one of the all time legendary players for this club. The only yardstick for a striker is goals scored. At the moment there is nobody else in Europe who is on the same planet as Rashford. The amount of nay sayers he has had over the past year and his exceptional performances since the world cup merit a very thorough acknowledgement of what he's done. I doubt anyone is saying he has accomplished greatness. But it looks like he's on the path to it and our encouragement will only spur the man onward. That's the point of my initial post. *Without winning things* was the salient part of that. Sometimes truly exceptional players are in an era of overall failure -- look at de Gea -- but generally the very best players are part of if not the main factor in winning the biggest trophies. Rashford has had a superb couple of months that I would love to see translated into silverware and season-to-season consistency. Then we're really on to something. |
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Post by mightyez on Feb 20, 2023 13:21:39 GMT
If your bar for excellence is arguably the greatest captain in club history, the man who gives meaning to the term Captain Fantastic, then there is no point even debating because that is one of the all time legendary players for this club. The only yardstick for a striker is goals scored. At the moment there is nobody else in Europe who is on the same planet as Rashford. The amount of nay sayers he has had over the past year and his exceptional performances since the world cup merit a very thorough acknowledgement of what he's done. I doubt anyone is saying he has accomplished greatness. But it looks like he's on the path to it and our encouragement will only spur the man onward. That's the point of my initial post. *Without winning things* was the salient part of that. Sometimes truly exceptional players are in an era of overall failure -- look at de Gea -- but generally the very best players are part of if not the main factor in winning the biggest trophies. Rashford has had a superb couple of months that I would love to see translated into silverware and season-to-season consistency. Then we're really on to something. Think we can all agree with this. Hopefully it all begins this Sunday in the cup final. |
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Post by Jayrannasaurus on Feb 20, 2023 13:26:42 GMT
I do think a player can still be considered great without having won a bunch of trophies - there are so many examples of great players who, whether we find it hillarious/pathetic, either didn't move to trophy-winning clubs or simply played in barren periods.
E.g. Kane & Shearer, to make a very rudimentary point.
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