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Post by CaajScot on Nov 14, 2015 10:51:16 GMT
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Post by Stew on Nov 14, 2015 11:16:09 GMT
It's easy for me to say, and it may not solve everything (or anything) but surely the time for Airstrikes are over. IS, the actual state, the geographical area, needs to be wiped off the face of the earth. Obama was told to do this ages ago but wouldn't put troops in there. They have to now. Except this is not confined to a geographical area Stew. Paris has proved that. Wiping out an area will not do anything except exacerbate the situation. I know mate. But it might make things at least more difficult for ISIS in the future. Although would it be worth it? Who knows. The problem is, these people hate the West and everything it stands for. The teachings of Islam have been warped to suit an agenda that welcomes death if it's followed by those kind of acts last night. It's appalling. Suicide bombers, missions are the worst. And the intelligence agencies haven't been able to get any real moles of worth. It's a nightmare. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2015 11:36:51 GMT
Mark my words, we'll be next. Gatwick was evacuated today as well so this shot is far from over. Until they stop being so anal over human rights and stupid political correctness then it will continue to worsen.
Even if they had Intel and fucked up, they'd have found a way to sweep it under the carpet.
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Post by Bestie on Nov 14, 2015 11:45:59 GMT
There is a quote from the West Wing that applies and that I think of every time I see these sorts of corwardly terrorist attacks.
"We need to kill them. We need to find them and to kill them. We kill them.
Then we find out who sent them and we kill them too.
You kill the people who did it.
You kill the people who planned it.
Then you kill everyone who is happy about it."
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Post by _ on Nov 14, 2015 12:12:55 GMT
It's easy for me to say, and it may not solve everything (or anything) but surely the time for Airstrikes are over. IS, the actual state, the geographical area, needs to be wiped off the face of the earth. Obama was told to do this ages ago but wouldn't put troops in there. They have to now. Except this is not confined to a geographical area Stew. Paris has proved that. Wiping out an area will not do anything except exacerbate the situation. Sadly Stew the terrorists were born and raised in Europe, and live among us. The question of their extremism is a European problem from within Europe. Even the supply of weapons is a European problem. ISIS is ephemeral and without borders. It is global, living through dissident cells, gorging on rising disaffection, and a religious sect that worships violence. The greatest attraction encouraging volunteers is the power to inflict fear within western mindsets; as Gore Vidal wrote this has been going on among the EDUCATED since the 1950s, and the Atlantic world chose to ignore it until 911. This is an intellectual crisis that has grown out of Palestine. ISIS and the movements it encourages is like a massive advanced computer game with global reach and anybody can check in and participate. The dissemination of its ideology is technologically sophisticated, delivering an anti-historical, largely anti-traditional Islam, extremely masculine in its tastes, and with a powerful attraction to certain age groups and individuals. It speaks only to dialects that are barely comprehensible within the indigenous European cultures they thrive in, and they receive enormous help from within those communities. The point when religious leaders could reign in ISIS and its replicants has already passed. This is terrorism without a structure or form - it's power is its ghostlike qualities. Estimates suggest less than 10% of communities raise extremists, and ONLY 5000 volunters leaving Europe to join ISIS, but nobody really knows. Their ambitions range from individual violence to islamification of Europe. The only form of integration is subjugation and intolerance. Incidents have ranged from minor street attacks on Western women, political intrigues in elections, to individual murders, public shootings, and suicide bombs - the total aim is to destabilise western culture. Collectively the scale of actions are truly wide ranging highlighting a planned and coherent strategy. With a rising population of 12 million Muslims in Europe and 20 million in Russia, the question of intelligence security is a challenge. Presently the intelligence ratio is 1000 trained specialists working together to track one cell of 20 terrorists. The chances of incidents like Paris last night and Je Suis Charlie are increasing exponentially. Political solutions are few and far between, mostly incoherent responses ranging from soft security to Nazi genocide. For example, Germany took in 800,000 refugees in act of Western goodwill but it's already backfired with serious incidents in refugee centres and in the local towns. There is a strong connectivity to why the international football game in Germany was a target last night. The only prognosis is to expect more of every form of extremism. |
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Post by Stew on Nov 14, 2015 12:44:16 GMT
ISIS have said the attacks are revenge for France's leading role in bombing them in Iraq.
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Post by _ on Nov 14, 2015 12:55:26 GMT
This morning it was announced they found a Syrian passport on the body of a terrorist and that a Syrian was stopped in Bavaria carrying machine-guns and bombs to Paris.
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Post by Stew on Nov 14, 2015 12:57:14 GMT
This morning it was announced they found a Syrian passport on the body of a terrorist and that a Syrian was stopped in Bavaria carrying machine-guns and bombs to Paris. Jesus. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2015 13:06:16 GMT
Its was guaranteed to happen unfortunately. ISIS said months ago that they were going to send them in within the refugees and nobody would know when they would strike.
Can't seem to remember the last terrorist attack on Australian soil funnily enough.
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Post by _ on Nov 14, 2015 13:10:53 GMT
Its was guaranteed to happen unfortunately. ISIS said months ago that they were going to send them in within the refugees and nobody would know when they would strike. Can't seem to remember the last terrorist attack on Australian soil funnily enough. The Sydney coffee house a few years ago? |
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Post by _ on Nov 14, 2015 13:14:06 GMT
This morning it was announced they found a Syrian passport on the body of a terrorist and that a Syrian was stopped in Bavaria carrying machine-guns and bombs to Paris. Jesus. Yes, and serious public anger toward Merkel this morning. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2015 13:28:50 GMT
Its was guaranteed to happen unfortunately. ISIS said months ago that they were going to send them in within the refugees and nobody would know when they would strike. Can't seem to remember the last terrorist attack on Australian soil funnily enough. The Sydney coffee house a few years ago? Don't remember that one. However my point is Europe and america seem to be getting hit way too often when you look at the likes of Australia who seems to have got it figured out. |
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Post by troubleontheway on Nov 14, 2015 13:31:11 GMT
Appalled, shocked, enraged...I can't find the words.
For those who don't know (might have mentioned in my intro a couple of years back), I'm British but from a Pakistani background. Spent the first 15 years of my life in Pakistan. Don't consider myself to be a practicing Muslim but understand the religion well. My 2 cents: The problem isn't with faith. It's with religion. Religion is the rigid fundamentals, the stringent rules you mindlessly follow, the 'enemy' that a guy in a robe in a fancy building (who didn't even have a secondary education) identifies for you. I have seen otherwise intelligent, educated, qualified people (doctors, engineers, lawyers, etc.) completely leave their rationality at the door when it comes to religion. They're quick to criticise politicians, corporate leaders on their hypocrisy and corruption(rightly so) but somehow religious figures are given a free pass to wreak havoc and spread their hateful bullshit to the world.
Whether you're a Muslim, Christian, Atheist, Jedi, whatever, I believe a human being knows the difference between right and wrong. You don't need religion to teach you that.
Unfortunately, Radical Islam is just the latest 'chosen weapon' for bastards who want to do evil shit in the world. At Uni in Aus, I did a poli-sci course on terrorism taught by the ex- Head of Anti-Terrorism for the Australian Government. We researched the psychology behind these evil bastards. Turns out they're not motivated by religion at all (at a deeper level). They're often heavy substance abusers (banned in Islam), womanisers (again, banned by Islam), marginalised by society for being losers and feel like they'll never succeed in the world as it exists. Their 'journey' towards radicalisation usually starts off with economic hardships and academic/professional disappointment (failed engineers, failed businessmen, failed students, etc.) or just simple poverty in the case of younger kids. They're out there looking for a reason why life is so shit and unfair....in swoops a manipulative bastard (religious figure) who tells them that this world isn't where it's at...it's all about the 'afterlife'. "It's those evil (insert name of whoever you want to target for geo-political gains) who have made your life shit. Destroy them and receive your reward in the afterlife. Here's some food, clothing and shelter for you and your family".
I think it's time to put all the world's religious leaders and hate preachers on the spot. You believe your religion is right and applies to the whole universe, right? Great, get on this rocket ship to Mars and prove that your religion can help you conquer anything. Go fight it out amongst yourselves on Mars.
We get some valuable scientific data, and rid the world of the source of 99.9% of its problems.
P.S. Sorry for the long post.
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Post by Stew on Nov 14, 2015 13:54:17 GMT
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Post by CaajScot on Nov 14, 2015 14:44:05 GMT
German-held suspect 'linked to Paris attackers'
Published: 14 Nov 2015 12:46 GMT+01:00
Updated: 14 Nov 2015 14:21 GMT+01:00
UPDATED: According to the Bavarian state premier, there is "reason to believe" that a man arrested in southern Germany last week, who had weapons including machine guns and explosives in his car, was linked to the attackers in Paris........www.thelocal.de/20151114/german-held-suspect-linked-to-paris-attack
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