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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2016 13:12:16 GMT
Bollocks. That's the way you've interpreted it, that isn't what I said. I was talking about a section of people who are on the leave side. In no way did I say Anyone who votes leave = racist/stupid/old. On the news a couple of weeks ago they were going around the country asking people about this vote, to show the sheer lack of understanding what people have on the issue. The amount of people who only spoke about immigration and foreigners was incredible. This vote is about so much more than immigration. So there's something behind it then. Just because you have a different opinion it's all bollocks? Also did you have a think about agendas and what makes a good interview? I bet they didn't go and interview people in Chelsea and Hammersmith. If someone is voting on this purely based on immigration then yes I believe that is bollocks. Immigration is 1 of many talking/thinking points and could very well be a deciding factor in some votes, which is completely understandable. It shouldn't be the sole factor in someone's vote though. Which if it is, is further proof that this referendum is 1 big joke, nobody has a fucking clue of what they're about to vote on. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2016 13:15:05 GMT
That's a minority as far as I'm aware, the way it's being painted in here to justify some arguments is that it's a majority. Anyone who votes leave = Racist/stupid/old Go to any city in Europe where brits have moved to, and the same minority views will exist It is a minority, but its bigger than it should be. Only anecdoatal evidence which is flawed, but from personal experience at least half of outers I've met over the age of 40 have been like that. Not all Leavers are like that. I certainly don't think anyone on this forum is like that. Most Leavers are sensible people you can rationally discuss things with, which was my original point a few posts ago. Those people you mention have been through different times than you and I, but to discount their views because they've experienced more than us and class them as borderline racists is wrong. It's all about information and not enough clear information is available. Would you blame someone who fought in the war, or who's parents died in the war to think... I/We/My parents fought in the War to stop Germany ruling Europe, only for them to run it anyway? Not my view, but to dismiss things like that is shortsighted when we're a supposedly proud nation |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2016 13:17:25 GMT
So there's something behind it then. Just because you have a different opinion it's all bollocks? Also did you have a think about agendas and what makes a good interview? I bet they didn't go and interview people in Chelsea and Hammersmith. If someone is voting on this purely based on immigration then yes I believe that is bollocks. Immigration is 1 of many talking/thinking points and could very well be a deciding factor in some votes, which is completely understandable. It shouldn't be the sole factor in someone's vote though. Which if it is, is further proof that this referendum is 1 big joke, nobody has a fucking clue of what they're about to vote on.Exactly, aside from immigration, name me the topics the general public, and yourself have to vote on that we've been given solid information on? If they have one solid thing they want to vote on (immigration) then it's better than having 10 things they know fuck all about. |
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Post by Bestie on Jun 5, 2016 13:22:41 GMT
Well we can be sure of what staying in looks like because we've had it for the last 20-odd years. Except that the way it has been is getting, I don't want to seem biased and say worse, but certainly more imposing. Things like the Europol (European combined police force), addition of (economically weaker) new members all the time, endless new laws, regulations, restrictions created by Brussels and demanded be implemented nationally. Yeah by that comment I meant we don't know if we're going to be better off staying in as opposed to leaving. See it's things like Europol that I don't really get. I don't get how that is a reason for leaving? Surely that means better communication between EU members on security and in turn making people safer? We have open lines of communication and cooperation between police forces already. It's called Interpol. The reasons one unified police force is bad are a) We aren't a unified 'Europe' nation, we don't want to be a unified 'Europe' nation and we have different problems to other countries within the EU; b) it is yet another aspect of control being taken from our own, elected and accountable, government that would be given to Brussels. So there's something behind it then. Just because you have a different opinion it's all bollocks? Also did you have a think about agendas and what makes a good interview? I bet they didn't go and interview people in Chelsea and Hammersmith. If someone is voting on this purely based on immigration then yes I believe that is bollocks. Immigration is 1 of many talking/thinking points and could very well be a deciding factor in some votes, which is completely understandable. It shouldn't be the sole factor in someone's vote though. Which if it is, is further proof that this referendum is 1 big joke, nobody has a fucking clue of what they're about to vote on. Who are you to decide what anybody bases their vote on? I could easily turn around and say because you have virtually no idea about most of the debate, which you have freely admitted, you shouldn't be allowed to vote at all. No knowledge = no vote, that's my stance as of right now. You better stay away from the polls! Oh no wait, that isn't how democracy works. People are allowed to vote based on whatever the hell they choose, be it one issue or all of them. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2016 13:23:36 GMT
If someone is voting on this purely based on immigration then yes I believe that is bollocks. Immigration is 1 of many talking/thinking points and could very well be a deciding factor in some votes, which is completely understandable. It shouldn't be the sole factor in someone's vote though. Which if it is, is further proof that this referendum is 1 big joke, nobody has a fucking clue of what they're about to vote on.Exactly, aside from immigration, name me the topics the general public, and yourself have to vote on that we've been given solid information on? If they have one solid thing they want to vote on (immigration) then it's better than having 10 things they know fuck all about. I don't think it is better though, it's just as bad in my eyes. The overriding feeling here and over a lot of the country is that the most important vote in recent times, far more important than which cunt lives at number 10 is going to be completed by a huge number of people who don't really know what they're voting on. Which is the embarrassment that I referred to at first. It's s fucking joke and part of me feels like not bothering to vote anyway because the way these cunts have gone about the whole thing. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2016 13:25:16 GMT
Exactly, aside from immigration, name me the topics the general public, and yourself have to vote on that we've been given solid information on? If they have one solid thing they want to vote on (immigration) then it's better than having 10 things they know fuck all about. I don't think it is better though, it's just as bad in my eyes. The overriding feeling here and over a lot of the country is that the most important vote in recent times, far more important than which cunt lives at number 10 is going to be completed by a huge number of people who don't really know what they're voting on. Which is the embarrassment that I referred to at first. It's s fucking joke and part of me feels like not bothering to vote anyway because the way these cunts have gone about the whole thing. If you read my opening post, I said it was about gut feeling because we've not been given the information. Whatever your views, not voting makes you as bad as the people you are against. |
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Post by Bestie on Jun 5, 2016 13:27:28 GMT
I don't think it is better though, it's just as bad in my eyes. The overriding feeling here and over a lot of the country is that the most important vote in recent times, far more important than which cunt lives at number 10 is going to be completed by a huge number of people who don't really know what they're voting on. Which is the embarrassment that I referred to at first. It's s fucking joke and part of me feels like not bothering to vote anyway because the way these cunts have gone about the whole thing. If you read my opening post, I said it was about gut feeling because we've not been given the information. Whatever your views, not voting makes you as bad as the people you are against. Unless you would vote to stay in the EU. Obviously.FTFY.   |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2016 13:29:27 GMT
If someone is voting on this purely based on immigration then yes I believe that is bollocks. Immigration is 1 of many talking/thinking points and could very well be a deciding factor in some votes, which is completely understandable. It shouldn't be the sole factor in someone's vote though. Which if it is, is further proof that this referendum is 1 big joke, nobody has a fucking clue of what they're about to vote on. Who are you to decide what anybody bases their vote on? I could easily turn around and say because you have virtually no idea about most of the debate, which you have freely admitted, you shouldn't be allowed to vote at all. No knowledge = no vote, that's my stance as of right now. You better stay away from the polls! Oh no wait, that isn't how democracy works. People are allowed to vote based on whatever the hell they choose, be it one issue or all of them. I admitted to not knowing a lot but I wouldn't describe myself as having no idea. I have a vague idea which I've had to find out for myself because nothing has been explained clearly at all. Which is the point of what I'm saying. If someone knows so little about this that they're basing their vote on the hope that we're gonna kick some out and let less in then yes I believe that is bollocks, not only on their part but on the governments for giving over such little understandable information on what we're voting on. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2016 13:31:51 GMT
I don't think it is better though, it's just as bad in my eyes. The overriding feeling here and over a lot of the country is that the most important vote in recent times, far more important than which cunt lives at number 10 is going to be completed by a huge number of people who don't really know what they're voting on. Which is the embarrassment that I referred to at first. It's s fucking joke and part of me feels like not bothering to vote anyway because the way these cunts have gone about the whole thing. If you read my opening post, I said it was about gut feeling because we've not been given the information. Whatever your views, not voting makes you as bad as the people you are against. Again I disagree. Why vote on something you know nothing about? Makes very little sense. The whole point of being part of a democracy is having the RIGHT to vote, the moment you start making people feel forced into doing so it counteracts that. |
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Post by Bestie on Jun 5, 2016 13:38:57 GMT
Who are you to decide what anybody bases their vote on? I could easily turn around and say because you have virtually no idea about most of the debate, which you have freely admitted, you shouldn't be allowed to vote at all. No knowledge = no vote, that's my stance as of right now. You better stay away from the polls! Oh no wait, that isn't how democracy works. People are allowed to vote based on whatever the hell they choose, be it one issue or all of them. I admitted to not knowing a lot but I wouldn't describe myself as having no idea. I have a vague idea which I've had to find out for myself because nothing has been explained clearly at all. Which is the point of what I'm saying. If someone knows so little about this that they're basing their vote on the hope that we're gonna kick some out and let less in then yes I believe that is bollocks, not only on their part but on the governments for giving over such little understandable information on what we're voting on. Why? If they want fewer immigrants living here and lower immigration overall then who are you to say that's bollocks. I want lower immigration, I want the freedom to control our borders however we see fit. I want us to have the freedom to say, 'No' to benefits-seekers and make room for the immigrants who are coming here for either refuge or the genuine hope of a better life. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2016 13:42:25 GMT
I admitted to not knowing a lot but I wouldn't describe myself as having no idea. I have a vague idea which I've had to find out for myself because nothing has been explained clearly at all. Which is the point of what I'm saying. If someone knows so little about this that they're basing their vote on the hope that we're gonna kick some out and let less in then yes I believe that is bollocks, not only on their part but on the governments for giving over such little understandable information on what we're voting on. Why? If they want fewer immigrants living here and lower immigration overall then who are you to say that's bollocks. I want lower immigration, I want the freedom to control our borders however we see fit. I want us to have the freedom to say, 'No' to benefits-seekers and make room for the immigrants who are coming here for either refuge or the genuine hope of a better life. Cheers for proving my point for me. That's a well balanced argument on immigration that I agree with. That is NOT believing that we should just kick out all the foreigners and stop letting them in. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2016 13:44:40 GMT
If you read my opening post, I said it was about gut feeling because we've not been given the information. Whatever your views, not voting makes you as bad as the people you are against. Again I disagree. Why vote on something you know nothing about? Makes very little sense. The whole point of being part of a democracy is having the RIGHT to vote, the moment you start making people feel forced into doing so it counteracts that. Fuck off! You lose all rights to whatever argument you have if you refuse to have a say in it, you know a democracy! If you're not going to vote, either read up on it, go with your gut feeling, or pipe down. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2016 13:45:47 GMT
Why? If they want fewer immigrants living here and lower immigration overall then who are you to say that's bollocks. I want lower immigration, I want the freedom to control our borders however we see fit. I want us to have the freedom to say, 'No' to benefits-seekers and make room for the immigrants who are coming here for either refuge or the genuine hope of a better life. Cheers for proving my point for me. That's a well balanced argument on immigration that I agree with. That is NOT believing that we should just kick out all the foreigners and stop letting them in. Nobody here has said that. I've heard nobody I know of in real life say that. The BBC or ITV or whoever, went looking for those people. Tiny minority believe that |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2016 13:48:19 GMT
Cheers for proving my point for me. That's a well balanced argument on immigration that I agree with. That is NOT believing that we should just kick out all the foreigners and stop letting them in. Nobody here has said that. I've heard nobody I know of in real life say that. The BBC or ITV or whoever, went looking for those people. Tiny minority believe that You have selective reading or something? Go back and find where I said anybody on here had said that? Sure it's a minority but not a "tiny" one, it's a worrying one. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2016 13:50:12 GMT
Anyway this is starting to all get a little vitriolic. But at least it's created a debate, which has been more use than anything the government has done.
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