David 'I should have been given more time' Moyes.

[Bestie]

Just cut and paste the article with proper attribution please.

[dokgolf]

Ah right, the link icon isn't working correctly?? Anyway, here is the article written by johnny giles in the Irish Independent



Bryan Robson is long enough in the game to know that winners write the history books and at a club like Manchester United, selective amnesia is in force when it comes to David Moyes.

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Robson was writing about Moyes before his return to Old Trafford over the holiday with Sunderland and he said some very unkind and inaccurate things about the year after Alex Ferguson’s exit.

He claimed that Moyes had £250m burning a hole in his pocket during the summer he took over and wondered why he didn’t spend it.

He omitted to mention the fact that Moyes was dealing with a novice in the transfer market in Ed Woodward, who couldn’t buy a player to save his life.

If there is a better example of the reason why people like Woodward should be kept as far away from buying players as is humanly possible, I haven’t seen it.

As I’ve often mentioned in the past, cleverer versions of Woodward, in my day club directors, have ways to avoid doing what the manager wants and I am convinced that this was the biggest obstacle to Moyes and his chances of making a go of Manchester United.

Another baffling claim was that Moyes failed because he dumped Ferguson’s back-room team.

That’s the most ridiculous thing I’ve heard in a long time. If anything, Moyes didn’t act strongly enough to get rid of the last vestiges of Ferguson’s empire.

Put it this way – how many of Louis van Gaal’s staff are still working with the club, or how many of Mourinho’s people are still at Chelsea, where Conte is pulling up trees?

His third point, that Moyes inherited a great squad which had just won the league by a considerable margin completely ignores the extraordinary control Ferguson exerted over the men he managed. His final title win was as great as any of the many he enjoyed.

If Robson wants a recent example of how fragile a strong squad bubble can be, he need only reference Mourinho’s woes last season at Chelsea, where the players downed tools three months after winning the Premier League.

Antonio Conte’s push towards the title is becoming a relentless thing and he’s doing it with Mourinho’s squad.

Granted he added a big player, N’Golo Kante, to his group but not much else and he is now in the happy position where Roman Abramovich will give him anything he asks for.

Mourinho seems to be in much the same position at Manchester United now and Woodward’s favourite person of the moment is his agent, Jorge Mendes, who will make sure that the coming transfer windows are very busy.

That’s one of the reasons I still feel that Mourinho will be somewhere in the mix when the title is decided.

I look at the other clubs chasing Chelsea at the moment and I can find a good reason why each one of them is incapable of stitching together the kind of run needed.

I feel Mourinho has a grip on the job now and his team is beginning to function with some sort of consistency.

I have to admit that I got the Wayne Rooney/Zlatan Ibrahimoivhc story completely wrong and I must tip my hat to the veteran striker, who is really having a fine season.

I thought he would get bored and that Rooney would be better.

In this form, Mourinho can live without Rooney very easily. The club captain’s form slump was so obvious that there was no decision to make.

Can he or any of the others catch Chelsea? I’m not sure they can.

Chelsea proved they can win without Kante and Diego Costa which was a big moment for Conte, but let’s be honest, Cesc Fabrgas is not a bad man to bring in so he’s not that badly off.

I wouldn’t be a bit surprised if he bought one or two next month, perhaps a defender and a striker if he can get a good one.

But he won’t change the balance much. It’s working for him and it looks like the only thing that will stop him in his tracks is an unlucky run of injuries.

Herald Sport

[dazjoe]

OK.

The argument that Moyes wanted to spend a load of money bringing in players but Woodward fucked it all up, so it was his fault not Moyes? That conveniently ignores then the fact that Everton fans nicknamed him "Dithering Dave" during his time there. Indeed, when he came over to United, the one thing Evertonians who were glad to see him leave said would happen is that we'd get to experience his "unique" dealings in the transfer market, fannying on humming and haring about whether to buy.

So basically, the one thing supporters of his previous club told us would happen, happened, but we're supposed to believe that's a total coincidence? Also, that 12 months before signing players like Shaw, Herrera and Di Maria, Woodward was utterly incompetent? "If there's a better example of keeping people like Woodward away"?? Seriously? Under him we've signed three of the greatest players in the world in Di Maria, Zlatan and Pogba, but he's useless? Yup, all his fault, poor Moyes.

The question of how many of Van Gaal's backroom staff are still there? Well, none, obviously. You wouldn't keep them around seeing as Van Gaal and his staff failed. Ferguson and his staff were unprecedented success's. You don't just dissolve that and bring in people who you know from a 7th place club. That's the way you drop down to 7th. Which is what happened!

The squad he inherited might not have been brilliant, but I'm not having that Ferguson alone was the difference between a 7th place finish and champions by a mile. There was more than enough quality to still challenge, at the very least secure top 4.

He was totally out of his depth. Christ, the fact that one of his 1st actions was to go straight back to Everton to try and sign Fellaini and Baines tells you everything. He no longer needed to shop at the bargain basement, he didn't need to go for 2nd rate players, but he couldn't help himself.

[ratbag]

Dec 29, 2016 2:22:52 GMT dazjoe said:

OK.

The argument that Moyes wanted to spend a load of money bringing in players but Woodward fucked it all up, so it was his fault not Moyes? That conveniently ignores then the fact that Everton fans nicknamed him "Dithering Dave" during his time there. Indeed, when he came over to United, the one thing Evertonians who were glad to see him leave said would happen is that we'd get to experience his "unique" dealings in the transfer market, fannying on humming and haring about whether to buy.

So basically, the one thing supporters of his previous club told us would happen, happened, but we're supposed to believe that's a total coincidence? Also, that 12 months before signing players like Shaw, Herrera and Di Maria, Woodward was utterly incompetent? "If there's a better example of keeping people like Woodward away"?? Seriously? Under him we've signed three of the greatest players in the world in Di Maria, Zlatan and Pogba, but he's useless? Yup, all his fault, poor Moyes.

The question of how many of Van Gaal's backroom staff are still there? Well, none, obviously. You wouldn't keep them around seeing as Van Gaal and his staff failed. Ferguson and his staff were unprecedented success's. You don't just dissolve that and bring in people who you know from a 7th place club. That's the way you drop down to 7th. Which is what happened!

The squad he inherited might not have been brilliant, but I'm not having that Ferguson alone was the difference between a 7th place finish and champions by a mile. There was more than enough quality to still challenge, at the very least secure top 4.

He was totally out of his depth. Christ, the fact that one of his 1st actions was to go straight back to Everton to try and sign Fellaini and Baines tells you everything. He no longer needed to shop at the bargain basement, he didn't need to go for 2nd rate players, but he couldn't help himself.

^^^ This all day long...the other thing was that Moyes was going after seemingly impossible targets like Gareth Bale...I don't know where he got the impression that Bale would join us with him in charge rather than a club like Real Madrid, who, whatever we say about them are a big attraction for any player...

And yes, the fact that he went after Fellaini and Baines tells you all you need to know...small time with ideas he couldn't back up...he got everything he deserved and I still wish him worse...

[Karma]

Never the right man in the first place.Funny how he isn't complaining about his connections with Fergie getting him the job because it certainly wasn't his CV.As for this whining about tradition why was he trying to create a team of galacticos then?
Bale, Fabregas, Ronaldo and Kroos? Stop blaming Woodward because unless they had all been dropped on their heads they would never have signed for a no mark like Moyes.

[RAZ]

watching him at sociedad and sunderland its still so hard to believe that this deluded man is part of our glorious history...

[king nothing]

Fucking banish this thread into the abyss. It's like touching a wasp which you think is dead. Bang, the fucker stings you.

[Karma]

It's a painful reminder of what can happen when romantic bull shit is allowed to cloud your vision.

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I'd honestly like to hear what some of the former members of this forum have to say over there absolute beleif that Moyes would be great here.

[mightyez]

did ok at everton, was there a long time, is scottish etc etc, its not hard to see why fergie wanted him in the role and naturally with a lack of footballing heads in positions of authority and the power fergie wielded you can see why the club did what fergie wanted and appointed Moyes.

now what no one can understand is why he got rid of the back room staff and why he took the champions so far off the top it was embarrassing.
definitely can't understand why the man keeps talking nonsense.

moyes 'get me bale and ronaldo', Ed 'sorry they won't come', Moyes 'ok get me fellaini'.
LVG 'get me this player and that player and if you can't get me these guys and it that fails get me plan c', Ed 'ok here is marcos rojo'.
Mourinho, 'i want x.yz and please don't waste my time, they want to come, agent wants to do the deal so the only problem will be you' Ed 'ok so here is Bailly, Henrik, Zlatan and Pogba'.

Major difference in all 3 and you can see the results so far.

[cantonaisgod]

Dec 29, 2016 13:57:36 GMT king nothing said:

Fucking banish this thread into the abyss. It's like touching a wasp which you think is dead. Bang, the fucker stings you.

THIS X %1000

[JamBritRed]

Dec 29, 2016 2:22:52 GMT dazjoe said:

OK.

The argument that Moyes wanted to spend a load of money bringing in players but Woodward fucked it all up, so it was his fault not Moyes? That conveniently ignores then the fact that Everton fans nicknamed him "Dithering Dave" during his time there. Indeed, when he came over to United, the one thing Evertonians who were glad to see him leave said would happen is that we'd get to experience his "unique" dealings in the transfer market, fannying on humming and haring about whether to buy.

So basically, the one thing supporters of his previous club told us would happen, happened, but we're supposed to believe that's a total coincidence? Also, that 12 months before signing players like Shaw, Herrera and Di Maria, Woodward was utterly incompetent? "If there's a better example of keeping people like Woodward away"?? Seriously? Under him we've signed three of the greatest players in the world in Di Maria, Zlatan and Pogba, but he's useless? Yup, all his fault, poor Moyes.

The question of how many of Van Gaal's backroom staff are still there? Well, none, obviously. You wouldn't keep them around seeing as Van Gaal and his staff failed. Ferguson and his staff were unprecedented success's. You don't just dissolve that and bring in people who you know from a 7th place club. That's the way you drop down to 7th. Which is what happened!

The squad he inherited might not have been brilliant, but I'm not having that Ferguson alone was the difference between a 7th place finish and champions by a mile. There was more than enough quality to still challenge, at the very least secure top 4.

He was totally out of his depth. Christ, the fact that one of his 1st actions was to go straight back to Everton to try and sign Fellaini and Baines tells you everything. He no longer needed to shop at the bargain basement, he didn't need to go for 2nd rate players, but he couldn't help himself.

i agree with everything you have said, with the exception of this. he IS useless and has been proven so a few times over. 

the fact is that he paid over the odds for two of them (ie. the price the selling club demanded) and the other was on a free. That doesn't prove him to be an oracle of negotiating a deal, it shows that he knows how to sign a cheque, nothing more.

i'm struggling to think of one player he's signed that was considered a bargain, or one player he's sold that we can say we made a killing on.

those are the signs of a good negotiator imho.

[Deez]

Dec 29, 2016 16:52:38 GMT Carbon said:

I'd honestly like to hear what some of the former members of this forum have to say over there absolute beleif that Moyes would be great here.

I'll be honest, I backed him fully at the start mate but slowly realised how much damage was being done. Fulham 80+ crosses was my turning point

[Karma]

Dec 29, 2016 19:48:51 GMT mightyez said:

did ok at everton, was there a long time, is scottish etc etc, its not hard to see why fergie wanted him in the role and naturally with a lack of footballing heads in positions of authority and the power fergie wielded you can see why the club did what fergie wanted and appointed Moyes.

now what no one can understand is why he got rid of the back room staff and why he took the champions so far off the top it was embarrassing.
definitely can't understand why the man keeps talking nonsense.

moyes 'get me bale and ronaldo', Ed 'sorry they won't come', Moyes 'ok get me fellaini'.
LVG 'get me this player and that player and if you can't get me these guys and it that fails get me plan c', Ed 'ok here is marcos rojo'.
Mourinho, 'i want x.yz and please don't waste my time, they want to come, agent wants to do the deal so the only problem will be you' Ed 'ok so here is Bailly, Henrik, Zlatan and Pogba'.

Major difference in all 3 and you can see the results so far.

If you give the man a job you have to trust him to be his own man with his own staff.

He shouldn't have got the job if he needed help.

It was a feck up of monumental proportions and all the hand washing of responsibility won't disguise that.

[mightyez]

Dec 30, 2016 0:42:05 GMT Karma said:

Dec 29, 2016 19:48:51 GMT mightyez said:

did ok at everton, was there a long time, is scottish etc etc, its not hard to see why fergie wanted him in the role and naturally with a lack of footballing heads in positions of authority and the power fergie wielded you can see why the club did what fergie wanted and appointed Moyes.

now what no one can understand is why he got rid of the back room staff and why he took the champions so far off the top it was embarrassing.
definitely can't understand why the man keeps talking nonsense.

moyes 'get me bale and ronaldo', Ed 'sorry they won't come', Moyes 'ok get me fellaini'.
LVG 'get me this player and that player and if you can't get me these guys and it that fails get me plan c', Ed 'ok here is marcos rojo'.
Mourinho, 'i want x.yz and please don't waste my time, they want to come, agent wants to do the deal so the only problem will be you' Ed 'ok so here is Bailly, Henrik, Zlatan and Pogba'.

Major difference in all 3 and you can see the results so far.

If you give the man a job you have to trust him to be his own man with his own staff.

He shouldn't have got the job if he needed help.

It was a feck up of monumental proportions and all the hand washing of responsibility won't disguise that.

The reality is Everton is no dress rehearsal for Manchester United.
He needed to bed in and he needed help.
Nothing wrong with keeping the coaches but implementing his style of play, that's normal but to come in cold and bring in others cold aswell he messed up there is no denying that set the tone for what we saw.
If he kept those guys he would have had the council to tell him his way was not working or don't embarrass yourself going for players that won't come in, look at so and so.
He got rid of the coaches that the players had worked with for so long and respected.
If anything the club overly backed Moyes