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Post by Rustin Cohle on Jul 24, 2017 14:38:47 GMT
Just a thought experiment. What would make people say enough is enough re: Jose? I want to make it clear that I am not advocating that we sack him or turn against him in any way, shape or form. It's just a discussion to see where people's limits are, and I think it could be fascinating to look back on at the end of the season how people's opinions have changed, so please say what you've voted as well as voting in the poll.
I started this because I was discussing what Pep's expectations at City should be with a mate, and he thought that minimum expectation should be the title. I agreed in principle, but argued as long as he gets CL he will be safe, because they won't know who to replace him with. I think the same is true with Jose, though the pressure to win the league isn't quite as big.
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Post by Rustin Cohle on Jul 24, 2017 14:43:03 GMT
I voted 5th/6th with a Europa win, because I think as long as we qualify for the CL the club won't sack him.
It annoys me because it's so Arsenal-esque, but I don't think any english club stands a chance in the CL and, whilst Jose increasingly needs a PL win to stave off the fact that he's failed more than he's succeeded since Inter (and, more importantly, we need to win the PL to stop the fucking rot), it's so competitive that it's difficult to say he needs to win the PL no matter what. City are outspending us and Chelsea were much better than us last year (albeit with no Europe), so that's asking a lot to get past both of those (plus everyone else) at a minimum. Hence, the next target we can realistically say is the minimum is CL qualification, so I voted the last scenario where that is the case.
(I know winning Europa is better than finishing 4th and potless anyway, but I framed this in terms of the league hence why it is below that. My point is CL qualification is sadly the minimum for the club I think.)
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Post by Stew on Jul 24, 2017 14:43:20 GMT
A genuine title challenge. In there with a real shout with a few games to go. Not a pie in the sky one like 2 years ago, a proper, every game counts, jitters on a Sunday morning before the game in April type of challenge. Whether or not we want to admit it, in league terms we are in real danger of becoming insignificant. Any of you who remember the 70s and 80s know how dangerous this can become. We simply have no choice but to be seriously involved this year. We don't even have to win it, but must be up there.
Anything else is a bonus
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Post by Stew on Jul 24, 2017 14:44:36 GMT
I think you should re-word the title of the poll. It should be what you think is the minimum that's acceptable, not what will get Jose iced.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2017 14:45:09 GMT
Just a thought experiment. What would make people say enough is enough re: Jose? I want to make it clear that I am not advocating that we sack him or turn against him in any way, shape or form. It's just a discussion to see where people's limits are, and I think it could be fascinating to look back on at the end of the season how people's opinions have changed, so please say what you've voted as well as voting in the poll. I started this because I was discussing what Pep's expectations at City should be with a mate, and he thought that minimum expectation should be the title. I agreed in principle, but argued as long as he gets CL he will be safe, because they won't know who to replace him with. I think the same is true with Jose, though the pressure to win the league isn't quite as big. Remove the first option, and we can talk. Ignoring that, a motherfucking title challenge and CL QF at least. Failing that, all the trophies.., all of 'em. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2017 14:47:08 GMT
Also, why isn't there a win the fucking title option, but there is a sack the manager for no reason option
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Post by Rustin Cohle on Jul 24, 2017 14:48:48 GMT
I think you should re-word the title of the poll. It should be what you think is the minimum that's acceptable, not what will get Jose iced. Was just thinking this as I re-read it. Have updated. |
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Post by Rustin Cohle on Jul 24, 2017 14:49:23 GMT
Just a thought experiment. What would make people say enough is enough re: Jose? I want to make it clear that I am not advocating that we sack him or turn against him in any way, shape or form. It's just a discussion to see where people's limits are, and I think it could be fascinating to look back on at the end of the season how people's opinions have changed, so please say what you've voted as well as voting in the poll. I started this because I was discussing what Pep's expectations at City should be with a mate, and he thought that minimum expectation should be the title. I agreed in principle, but argued as long as he gets CL he will be safe, because they won't know who to replace him with. I think the same is true with Jose, though the pressure to win the league isn't quite as big. Remove the first option, and we can talk. Ignoring that, a motherfucking title challenge and CL QF at least. Failing that, all the trophies.., all of 'em. First option is a trap, anyone who clicks it gets a 9AM appointment with Dr Carbon and his hammer. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2017 14:50:24 GMT
Remove the first option, and we can talk. Ignoring that, a motherfucking title challenge and CL QF at least. Failing that, all the trophies.., all of 'em. First option is a trap, anyone who clicks it gets a 9AM appointment with Dr Carbon and his hammer. Excellent work  |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2017 14:55:25 GMT
I would say the expectation I have of us this season and the point I would say Mourinho would have to go are slightly different. I'm with Stewart in thinking we have to have a genuine title challenge this season, right down to the last few games but I don't think I would be calling for the manager to lose his job this season if we say, play well up until February/March then fall out of contention and finish 3rd or 4th. Don't get me wrong, I'll be disappointed and probably angry if this happens but I wouldn't say he had to lose his job.
Which is why I've gone for the 5th or 6th with a decent champions league run option as no trophies along with no title challenge or top 4 would be wholly unacceptable and he probably would have to go.
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Post by CaajScot on Jul 24, 2017 14:59:12 GMT
League Title for me and a good run in the Champions League to piss the bin dippers off.  |
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Post by Tatty on Jul 24, 2017 14:59:17 GMT
I always make a point of saying ANY trophy. That's the whole point of football. Winning things. So the domestic trophies are the bare minimum. However, I think we'll be more clinical against the Burnleys and Stokes, so a proper title tilt is needed. Would love to go into Easter with a proper sniff of the title.
As for Europe: This why we appointed Jose, back at the top table. Bare minimum is get out the group as winners.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2017 14:59:44 GMT
So 2 people think Mourinho should lose his job if we don't win the league this season? Ouch!
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Post by Rustin Cohle on Jul 24, 2017 15:03:01 GMT
I must admit, my answer has been influenced slightly by City's spending (and also by our stop-start window). At the start of the summer I would have said a title challenge, but looking at our team I still feel that we are behind City and Chelsea. I hope the team proves me wrong, and I'm not at all saying I can't see us challenging or winning or anything, I just think they are more likely to win the league than we are as things stand. So with that in mind, expectations are lowered a little.
If we don't win the league or CL this year, then winning one of those two is an absolute must next year, regardless of what other teams do. I'm cutting us a bit of slack because City in particular have shocked me with their recruitment, but after 3 years enough would be enough most likely (unless perhaps we really were incredibly close and also making clear progress).
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2017 15:03:30 GMT
So 2 people think Mourinho should lose his job if we don't win the league this season? Ouch! The poll is all kinds of wrong. (i.e. If we do not achieve this Jose should go)? Lose the brackets and have it as what do we expect/want, but without the every option including sacking the manager, would give a truer opinion. |
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