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Post by Rustin Cohle on Jul 24, 2017 15:03:33 GMT
So 2 people think Mourinho should lose his job if we don't win the league this season? Ouch! Yeah, very curious who clicked that. |
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Post by Bestie on Jul 24, 2017 15:04:11 GMT
Are you shitting me?
We shouldn't sack Mourinho, pretty much regardless. Who do we get that's better? Minimum expectation as Stew says is genuine title challenge and cup runs but we shouldn't sack the manager if it doesn't happen. Maybe give the manager some leeway and put the onus on the players to perform for a change. We would have been much better of last season if the players had done their job and taken the chances Mourinho's tactics created. A lot of last season's 'failing' is entirely on the players. Martial is a perfect example. Stroppy shite has to wise up this term.
Personally any season we don't win every trophy we compete for is at least a partial failure in my eyes, but we can't all be obssessively and at times borderline-damagingly more perfectionist than Louis van Gaal.
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Post by Rustin Cohle on Jul 24, 2017 15:04:43 GMT
So 2 people think Mourinho should lose his job if we don't win the league this season? Ouch! The poll is all kinds of wrong. (i.e. If we do not achieve this Jose should go)? Lose the brackets and have it as what do we expect/want, but without the every option including sacking the manager, would give a truer opinion. But surely if we do not achieve our minimum expectation, he should go? In football nowadays, and especially at big clubs, the buck always stops with the manager. If he is failing the bare minimum targets surely he does have to go? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2017 15:05:21 GMT
I think the whole when should we sack the manager is throwing people here. As I said in my earlier post, what I constitute a good season and at what point I'd say sack the manager are 2 completely different things.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2017 15:05:32 GMT
I must admit, my answer has been influenced slightly by City's spending (and also by our stop-start window). At the start of the summer I would have said a title challenge, but looking at our team I still feel that we are behind City and Chelsea. I hope the team proves me wrong, and I'm not at all saying I can't see us challenging or winning or anything, I just think they are more likely to win the league than we are as things stand. So with that in mind, expectations are lowered a little. If we don't win the league or CL this year, then winning one of those two is an absolute must next year, regardless of what other teams do. I'm cutting us a bit of slack because City in particular have shocked me with their recruitment, but after 3 years enough would be enough most likely (unless perhaps we really were incredibly close and also making clear progress). City have replaced FB's and a GK, and added one attacking midfielder they didn't need. Frightening. |
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Post by Rustin Cohle on Jul 24, 2017 15:07:56 GMT
Are you shitting me? We shouldn't sack Mourinho, pretty much regardless. Who do we get that's better? Minimum expectation as Stew says is genuine title challenge and cup runs but we shouldn't sack the manager if it doesn't happen. Maybe give the manager some leeway and put the onus on the players to perform for a change. We would have been much better of last season if the players had done their job and taken the chances Mourinho's tactics created. A lot of last season's 'failing' is entirely on the players. Martial is a perfect example. Stroppy shite has to wise up this term. Personally any season we don't win every trophy we compete for is at least a partial failure in my eyes, but we can't all be obssessively and at times borderline-damagingly more perfectionist than Louis van Gaal. So if we went backwards, didn't win any trophies, didn't qualify for CL and played worse football than last year you wouldn't pin any of that on Jose? You wouldn't think "he's had 2 seasons and £300m and we're no closer to the top table than when Louis left" and at least consider that he may have to go? The 'who would we replace him with?' point is a good one. But if Jose is taking us backwards (and I again want to emphasise that this is a hypothetical and I'm not saying this is happening or will happen) would you not consider thinking he should be replaced? |
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Post by weetomsligaments on Jul 24, 2017 15:08:12 GMT
I voted for a custom scenario. 2nd or 3rd in the league and out of the group stages in the Champions League. Retaining the League Cup is a must.
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Post by Rustin Cohle on Jul 24, 2017 15:10:43 GMT
I think the whole when should we sack the manager is throwing people here. As I said in my earlier post, what I constitute a good season and at what point I'd say sack the manager are 2 completely different things. Thats's why I used the word minimum. What's a good season and what's a minimum expectation are two different things. I want to see, rather than where people think we will end up, what people could stomach whilst still backing the manager. I want to see what would have people say 'enough is enough, he has to go.' I genuinely don't see any right or wrong answers - though expecting title or sacked would be harsh, and anyone saying we should keep him even if we go clearly backwards is playing a very dangerous game IMO. |
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Post by Rustin Cohle on Jul 24, 2017 15:11:13 GMT
I voted for a custom scenario. 2nd or 3rd in the league and out of the group stages in the Champions League. Retaining the League Cup is a must. I must admit I'm surprised that anyone would seriously factor in the league cup as a key expectation. |
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Post by Rustin Cohle on Jul 24, 2017 15:12:10 GMT
I must admit, my answer has been influenced slightly by City's spending (and also by our stop-start window). At the start of the summer I would have said a title challenge, but looking at our team I still feel that we are behind City and Chelsea. I hope the team proves me wrong, and I'm not at all saying I can't see us challenging or winning or anything, I just think they are more likely to win the league than we are as things stand. So with that in mind, expectations are lowered a little. If we don't win the league or CL this year, then winning one of those two is an absolute must next year, regardless of what other teams do. I'm cutting us a bit of slack because City in particular have shocked me with their recruitment, but after 3 years enough would be enough most likely (unless perhaps we really were incredibly close and also making clear progress). City have replaced FB's and a GK, and added one attacking midfielder they didn't need. Frightening. I'll feel a lot better when Woodward (aka Carbon) stops dicking around and signs a DM. |
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Post by Bestie on Jul 24, 2017 15:14:45 GMT
Are you shitting me? We shouldn't sack Mourinho, pretty much regardless. Who do we get that's better? Minimum expectation as Stew says is genuine title challenge and cup runs but we shouldn't sack the manager if it doesn't happen. Maybe give the manager some leeway and put the onus on the players to perform for a change. We would have been much better of last season if the players had done their job and taken the chances Mourinho's tactics created. A lot of last season's 'failing' is entirely on the players. Martial is a perfect example. Stroppy shite has to wise up this term. Personally any season we don't win every trophy we compete for is at least a partial failure in my eyes, but we can't all be obssessively and at times borderline-damagingly more perfectionist than Louis van Gaal. So if we went backwards, didn't win any trophies, didn't qualify for CL and played worse football than last year you wouldn't pin any of that on Jose? You wouldn't think "he's had 2 seasons and £300m and we're no closer to the top table than when Louis left" and at least consider that he may have to go? The 'who would we replace him with?' point is a good one. But if Jose is taking us backwards (and I again want to emphasise that this is a hypothetical and I'm not saying this is happening or will happen) would you not consider thinking he should be replaced? In a word, no. Replace him for who? Pochettino who for all his fawning admirers has won less than David Moyes? Simeone maybe, Jose mk. II? Jose's our pick now. Unless things go catastrophically wrong, we should stand by him for at least this season. |
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Post by IRD17_Kaushik on Jul 24, 2017 15:19:10 GMT
I expect us to challenge for the title but I am not convinced that we have enough to win the title yet but we will come close. If we do sign a couple of good players, then I think we have a better chance of winning the title.
Minimum acceptable IMO is 3rd or 4th, if we don't win any trophies.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2017 15:23:39 GMT
I think the whole when should we sack the manager is throwing people here. As I said in my earlier post, what I constitute a good season and at what point I'd say sack the manager are 2 completely different things. Thats's why I used the word minimum. What's a good season and what's a minimum expectation are two different things. I want to see, rather than where people think we will end up, what people could stomach whilst still backing the manager. I want to see what would have people say 'enough is enough, he has to go.' I genuinely don't see any right or wrong answers - though expecting title or sacked would be harsh, and anyone saying we should keep him even if we go clearly backwards is playing a very dangerous game IMO. So the thread is pretty much an "Under what circumstances should we sack Jose?" thread. I don't think some people are getting that. |
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Post by Rustin Cohle on Jul 24, 2017 15:24:31 GMT
So if we went backwards, didn't win any trophies, didn't qualify for CL and played worse football than last year you wouldn't pin any of that on Jose? You wouldn't think "he's had 2 seasons and £300m and we're no closer to the top table than when Louis left" and at least consider that he may have to go? The 'who would we replace him with?' point is a good one. But if Jose is taking us backwards (and I again want to emphasise that this is a hypothetical and I'm not saying this is happening or will happen) would you not consider thinking he should be replaced? In a word, no. Replace him for who? Pochettino who for all his fawning admirers has won less than David Moyes? Simeone maybe, Jose mk. II? Jose's our pick now. Unless things go catastrophically wrong, we should stand by him for at least this season. That's fair enough. That's the question I was asking, and you've responded. I disagree, but as I say, you've been open and honest about your answer which is what I was looking for from people. I think it's a really interesting discussion at this point in time. |
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Post by Rustin Cohle on Jul 24, 2017 15:25:19 GMT
Thats's why I used the word minimum. What's a good season and what's a minimum expectation are two different things. I want to see, rather than where people think we will end up, what people could stomach whilst still backing the manager. I want to see what would have people say 'enough is enough, he has to go.' I genuinely don't see any right or wrong answers - though expecting title or sacked would be harsh, and anyone saying we should keep him even if we go clearly backwards is playing a very dangerous game IMO. So the thread is pretty much an "Under what circumstances should we sack Jose?" thread. I don't think some people are getting that. That's why I put the i.e. in the poll  |
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