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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2017 21:37:50 GMT
bit weird at the start of the season to have a sack watch thread instead of a predictions thread. Love to see what people are thinking of the Top 4.
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Post by ratbag on Jul 25, 2017 5:31:16 GMT
So start the thread!
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Post by Jayrannasaurus on Jul 25, 2017 6:18:57 GMT
My opinion doesn't really fit the criteria as set out in the poll. There is no way I want Jose sacked after the coming season, unless it's an absolute shambles which is unlikely. Minimum as always is a trophy. Obviously the league is the target, but if Jose somehow pulls off an F.A. & European Cup win I'll never complain should we simultaneously finish 4th or even 5th or 6th - especially if we win the European Cup  Otherwise, last 16 in Europe & a real title challenge. |
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Post by Rustin Cohle on Jul 25, 2017 7:36:44 GMT
My opinion doesn't really fit the criteria as set out in the poll. There is no way I want Jose sacked after the coming season, unless it's an absolute shambles which is unlikely. Minimum as always is a trophy. Obviously the league is the target, but if Jose somehow pulls off an F.A. & European Cup win I'll never complain. Otherwise, last 16 in Europe & a real title challenge. But surely if the manager is failing to meet the minimum expectation (whatever that may be), then he is therefore totally failing in his job, because he has met no expectations whatsoever? And if someone is totally failing, they usually get sacked. |
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Post by Bestie on Jul 25, 2017 9:41:00 GMT
Okay, I was being nice, but wise up. As I've already said, it should have to be a complete clusterfuck calamity for us to even think about sacking Mourinho. Just discarding a proven, world class, manager because we have a 'bad' season is idiotic. If we finish tenth and are knocked out of every cup in the first round, with Martial, Shaw, Rashford, Herrera, De Gea, Bailly, Lukaku and Pogba all in public mutiny come back to me. That's 'total failure'.
What a fucking stupid discussion. Sorry, but it just is. Why is this even a conversation. Holy fucking Zeus.
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Post by ScholesEvilTwin on Jul 25, 2017 10:08:02 GMT
Im assuming the answer to sacking Mourinho is hiring Pochettino?
The guy who, for all the plaudits, has won the square root of Fuck All.
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Post by Rustin Cohle on Jul 25, 2017 10:30:20 GMT
Okay, I was being nice, but wise up. As I've already said, it should have to be a complete clusterfuck calamity for us to even think about sacking Mourinho. Just discarding a proven, world class, manager because we have a 'bad' season is idiotic. If we finish tenth and are knocked out of every cup in the first round, with Martial, Shaw, Rashford, Herrera, De Gea, Bailly, Lukaku and Pogba all in public mutiny come back to me. That's 'total failure'. What a fucking stupid discussion. Sorry, but it just is. Why is this even a conversation. Holy fucking Zeus. Jesus Christ, calm down. Just ignore the thread if you don't like the discussion. If we came 6th and won no trophies, chances are I would think Jose should go, as long as I could think of a reasonable replacement. It's not like he's invincible IMO - since he left Inter he has as many league titles as Fergie, and Fergie's been gone for four years. He is clearly trying to prove himself all over again, and I hope he succeeds, but there's a chance he won't. On the other hand, you would keep Jose in that scenario. That's fine. Differing opinions are the whole point of the forum. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2017 10:34:51 GMT
My take on the whole thing is it's a needlessly negative thread for pre-season. Unless I'm reading the intentions of it all wrong.
Every option comes with the sacking of the manager.
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Post by Rustin Cohle on Jul 25, 2017 10:46:11 GMT
My take on the whole thing is it's a needlessly negative thread for pre-season. Unless I'm reading the intentions of it all wrong. Every option comes with the sacking of the manager. I suppose that calling this thread negative is a fair interpretation. I would argue that if we removed negativity, especially hypotehtical negativity (if x happens then y negative reaction should occur) this forum would be significantly worse off. We can't whitewash things. Other threads are negative too. The summer thread has more anger about our transfer window than any since presumably under Moyes (which I wasn't here for, but I assume was highly negative). I'm obviously not comparing Jose to Moyes, but my point is that as things stand a lot of people are unhappy with our targets and saying so in that thread. Negativity thrives there too, but it's our most popular thread by far. |
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Post by Bestie on Jul 25, 2017 10:51:59 GMT
The fact a thread talking about when Mourinho should be sacked exists at all is, in my view, pathetic.
I'm done in here. 'Mark As Read' forever. Fucking hell.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2017 10:54:11 GMT
My take on the whole thing is it's a needlessly negative thread for pre-season. Unless I'm reading the intentions of it all wrong. Every option comes with the sacking of the manager. I suppose that calling this thread negative is a fair interpretation. I would argue that if we removed negativity, especially hypotehtical negativity (if x happens then y negative reaction should occur) this forum would be significantly worse off. We can't whitewash things. Other threads are negative too. The summer thread has more anger about our transfer window than any since presumably under Moyes (which I wasn't here for, but I assume was highly negative). I'm obviously not comparing Jose to Moyes, but my point is that as things stand a lot of people are unhappy with our targets and saying so in that thread. Negativity thrives there too, but it's our most popular thread by far. I think the title fucks up the poll a lot. It's cut and dried that if we pick for example 2nd as an option, but we might miss out on goal difference and finish 4th, but the option picked sacks the manager. Given how last season went, if we didn't win anything, yet finished 2nd would that be an improvement? Surely the minimum expectation is to be better than last year, but because it was such a weird season it's hard to determine exactly what that would be. Said previously, we're winning it all, and you didn't put that in the poll. You suck |
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Post by Monty on Jul 25, 2017 10:55:21 GMT
My take on the whole thing is it's a needlessly negative thread for pre-season. Unless I'm reading the intentions of it all wrong. Every option comes with the sacking of the manager. I didn't even read the part about sacking, to be honest. I just read the title and answered accordingly. Sacking the manager at this point for anything other than complete meltdown would be silly. Even talking about hypothetical scenarios where the manager might get sacked isn't worthwhile right now. It should be the furthest thought from all of our minds. |
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Post by Rustin Cohle on Jul 25, 2017 11:05:08 GMT
I suppose that calling this thread negative is a fair interpretation. I would argue that if we removed negativity, especially hypotehtical negativity (if x happens then y negative reaction should occur) this forum would be significantly worse off. We can't whitewash things. Other threads are negative too. The summer thread has more anger about our transfer window than any since presumably under Moyes (which I wasn't here for, but I assume was highly negative). I'm obviously not comparing Jose to Moyes, but my point is that as things stand a lot of people are unhappy with our targets and saying so in that thread. Negativity thrives there too, but it's our most popular thread by far. I think the title fucks up the poll a lot. It's cut and dried that if we pick for example 2nd as an option, but we might miss out on goal difference and finish 4th, but the option picked sacks the manager. Given how last season went, if we didn't win anything, yet finished 2nd would that be an improvement? Surely the minimum expectation is to be better than last year, but because it was such a weird season it's hard to determine exactly what that would be. Said previously, we're winning it all, and you didn't put that in the poll. You suck I just thought it'd be an interesting discussion. Clearly it's got Bestie's and other people's backs up and made them much more aggressive/shouty than I could have envisioned - in my opinion needlessly, far too easily, and in Bestie's case quite childishly, but so be it, everyone has the right to express a view on this forum and that's the way it should be. I've called Bestie's posts needless and perhaps even pathetic, he's called mine that, that's fine. We disagree and move on. Fair criticism on the title of the poll, I was struggling to word it in the way I wanted to. I don't think no trophies but 2nd is an improvement, but I certainly wouldn't get rid of Jose for it. We'd probably be a better team, but we'd have had a worse season in terms of outcomes, if you know what I mean. 2 trophies and CL > just CL, y' know? But if we're finishing second, that means we're a more consistent team at least. |
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Post by Jayrannasaurus on Jul 25, 2017 11:22:08 GMT
This entire thread would have been perfectly interesting without the "i.e. sacking clause" at the end.
Minimum expectations are an interesting discussion so perhaps we should just edit the title?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2017 11:23:08 GMT
This entire thread would have been perfectly interesting without the "i.e. sacking clause" at the end. Minimum expectations are an interesting discussion so perhaps we should just edit the title? Or just expectations. |
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