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Post by Rustin Cohle on Dec 31, 2017 10:22:14 GMT
Bottom line is the dross being served up by this Portuguese nit-wit is Van Gaal-seque. In fact the clown is giving David Moyes a run for his money. Oh and the moaning about injuries, City's money, etc, etc is just you know, internationally embarrassing for the club. Why are we putting up with this guy?? He should be getting his P45 as a New Years Eve present. This absolutely disgusting football going against everything the club stands for can fuck right off He has us playing like Kettering Town at Old Trafford and even worse away from home. Time to wake up and smell the coffee lads. Steady on mate, we’re a long way off that. |
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Post by Rustin Cohle on Dec 31, 2017 10:24:00 GMT
For 90m i want the finished article not somebody who may improve or may not 75. IIRC it was £75m base, £15m add ons that are achievable if he hits top form and Rooney. So I’d say £75m as well (especially as the add ons may be out of reach for him for now), but the press sometimes say £90m so I presume that’s where he got that from. |
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Post by Rustin Cohle on Dec 31, 2017 10:27:20 GMT
I will say that the utter shit Jose has been saying in the press in the past few weeks makes things worse (not seen any comments after last night yet). It’s supposed to deflect attention away from the performance, but comes at the cost of people really going sour on his personality I think.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2017 12:04:22 GMT
It feels like the majority of people here are actually on the same page. Something along the lines of: - the gimps are the main problem (obviously)... - ...but the players need to start taking responsibility more too. - We support Jose for the forseeable future, but he looks a lot more like ‘third season at Real depressed, angry and miles off the pace Jose’ than the ‘second season at Chelsea and tactical genius that always finds a way to win without excuses Jose’, and that needs to change. I reckon blaming the owners for this mess is too easy. We may have all been happier with a different ownership but that is no excuse for what we see on the pitch twice a week. Both Jose and LVG have been backed with shitloads of money to get practically (Perisic aside) all the players they were after. Others players have seen their contracts extended on ridiculous terms. I don't buy Jose's narrative of missing funds because City is not our problem. Nevermind trying to work on their terms unless we are funded by an oil-rich dictatorship will see us end up like Ken Bates' Chelsea or Peter Ridsdale Leeds. Nevertheless, The kind of money we've been throwing lately should see us comfortably in the running for the league title in most seasons. Chelsea last season, and definitely Leicester before that, won the league when we finished outside the top 4 despite spending more than they had done. I reckon our squad is not inferior compared to either of these two title-winning squads. Money- uncheck, players- uncheck and what's left is a stark difference in game plan. It's not that theirs was superior to ours. It's the actual existence of one, where players know what they are supposed to do on the pitch. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2017 12:05:16 GMT
Bottom line is the dross being served up by this Portuguese nit-wit is Van Gaal-seque. In fact the clown is giving David Moyes a run for his money. Oh and the moaning about injuries, City's money, etc, etc is just you know, internationally embarrassing for the club. Why are we putting up with this guy?? He should be getting his P45 as a New Years Eve present. This absolutely disgusting football going against everything the club stands for can fuck right off He has us playing like Kettering Town at Old Trafford and even worse away from home. Time to wake up and smell the coffee lads. Steady on mate, we’re a long way off that. How does last night's corner count compare with that Fulham game? |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2017 12:18:12 GMT
It feels like the majority of people here are actually on the same page. Something along the lines of: - the gimps are the main problem (obviously)... - ...but the players need to start taking responsibility more too. - We support Jose for the forseeable future, but he looks a lot more like ‘third season at Real depressed, angry and miles off the pace Jose’ than the ‘second season at Chelsea and tactical genius that always finds a way to win without excuses Jose’, and that needs to change. We may have all been happier with a different ownership but that is no excuse for what we see on the pitch twice a week. Both Jose and LVG have been backed with shitloads of money to get practically (Perisic aside) all the players they were after. Others players have seen their contracts extended on ridiculous terms. I don't buy Jose's narrative of missing funds because City is not our problem. Nevermind trying to work on their terms unless we are funded by an oil-rich dictatorship will see us end up like Ken Bates' Chelsea or Peter Ridsdale Leeds. Nevertheless, The kind of money we've been throwing lately should see us comfortably in the running for the league title in most seasons. Chelsea last season, and definitely Leicester before that, won the league when we finished outside the top 4 despite spending more than they had done. I reckon our squad is not inferior compared to either of these two title-winning squads. Money- uncheck, players- uncheck and what's left is a stark difference in game plan. It's not that theirs was superior to ours. It's the actual existence of one, where players know what they are supposed to do on the pitch. Why - IIRC they've taken something like a billion out of the club for themselves. I'm also pretty sure that when they first came over they said that 20million a season would be enough for transfers. This club is simply a cash-cow for themselves while other clubs are not. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2017 12:20:41 GMT
Jose spent £90 million on Lukaku. It looked some desperate shit since Morata was our target for longer, but could Jose really have wanted a big lump with a poor first touch to lead the line? Did he think Ibra was coming back 6 months early to become the focal point of the attack again? Matic has been a vast improvement. Why Mkhitaryan has been shit is another mystery. Tearing up the Bundesliga and plays like a lost lamb in the Prem. Bailly, Lindelof, and Pogba are improvements. Factor in Herrera's regression under JM and that takes some of the sparkle off Matic and Pogba. Pogba should not be captain. I think Lukaku was a mistake and we need an actual finisher, not a big target man. We also need an actual #10, not Lingard. An actual right wing would be good too. But we should have beaten our last 3 opponents. Jose is setting us up wrong and managing the game wrong. Not really. Jose and the club absolutly did the right thing in regards to Morata. Real wanted to inflate the price since we wouldn't sell them DDG and they were still pissed off about the Fax machine 'incident'. They sold Morata to Chelsea for considerably less than what they wanted from us. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2017 12:24:05 GMT
But all the players you mentioned there are from Fergies time but you start by saying there is nothing left from Fergies time? The main problem here is that we've had 3 managers since Fergie left - the first sadded us with Fellaini the second saddled us with a bunch-a-players to fit his random system of play. The problem with the third manager is that he's having to fit the remains of the previous managers shit into this team around players that he actually wants - it also doesn't help that the younger players are doing whatever the fuck they want (according to Zlatan and Carrick to name two). What's that about the younger players doing whatever they want? If that's true then Ed needs to earn his salary and back the manager. These self entitled cowards need putting in their place not thinking they can get away with the same shit with the next poor sod that takes over. Who are these players? Metro yes but this is one article that i can find and its not the only place I've seen and / or heard this. metro.co.uk/2017/12/23/manchester-uniteds-senior-players-exasperated-paul-pogba-late-training-overslept-7181192/"Manchester United’s senior players ‘exasperated’ as Paul Pogba was late for training because he overslept" "The incident has allegedly not gone down well with some of United’s players, including Zlatan Ibrahimovic, Ashley Young and Michael Carrick." Senior players are also not happy with players such as Pogba and Lingards social media fuckery also. |
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Post by Karma on Dec 31, 2017 12:31:28 GMT
City have been planning for years while we were collecting tractor partners. Even Ollie Holt (yes that insufferable t**t) said that a lot of the responsibility lies with them on Twitter tonight and he's no United fan. Fergie covered their arses for years. I hope if and when Jose does go he is brutal with our owners. At least when his silence clause expires anyway. How much more £ does Mourinho need to field a motivated side? How is Mourinho earning his £15M per season by fielding the same tired team in the same tired system and expecting different results? I know the squad needs to play harder and actually move when they do not have the ball, however, the idea that ramming the ball down the wings and swinging in crosses to a congested box is not good enough. That sort of play is dictated from the manager and it is not working. That said - how in the hell do Pogba and Matic keep finding themselves as the last man on defense? When did it become a crime to let the CB actually leave the middle of the pitch and defend? I think the word we used most around here is jaded. The squad looks jaded. Is it possible that the majority of this squad aren't very good? Is it also possible that a lot of the money spent has been wasted? It's easier to keep on sacking managers than deal with a more difficult problem. Bailly, Matic and Pogba are good signings. Zlatan contribution last season was underrated despite his critics. He practically won us that league cup for starters. Lindelof and Luckily I am happy to give time too. You don't end up Belgium's top scorer if you aren't very good. Miki is the exception to Jose's transfers who looks like an absolute snowflake. Van Gaal signed Schweinsteiger (finished) Schneiderlin, Depay, Blind (decent squad player), Martial (very good player) Shaw (not good enough) Herrera (good squad player) Falcao (came off a bad injury)Darmian , Rojo (good squad player) and Romero. So Martial only the possible starter from that lot. A handful of decent squad players, the rest aren't good enough. Moyes' s biggest problem was sitting on his hands during the summer. Mata was a fairly decent signing but Fellani wasn't what we needed. So saying we have spent a fortune but analyse that lot and the quality is lacking. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2017 12:33:38 GMT
How much more £ does Mourinho need to field a motivated side? How is Mourinho earning his £15M per season by fielding the same tired team in the same tired system and expecting different results? I know the squad needs to play harder and actually move when they do not have the ball, however, the idea that ramming the ball down the wings and swinging in crosses to a congested box is not good enough. That sort of play is dictated from the manager and it is not working. That said - how in the hell do Pogba and Matic keep finding themselves as the last man on defense? When did it become a crime to let the CB actually leave the middle of the pitch and defend? I think the word we used most around here is jaded. The squad looks jaded. Is it possible that the majority of this squad aren't very good? Is it also possible that a lot of the money spent has been wasted? It's easier to keep on sacking managers than deal with a more difficult problem. Bailly, Matic and Pogba are good signings. Zlatan contribution last season was underrated despite his critics. He practically won us that league cup for starters. Lindelof and Luckily I am happy to give time too. You don't end up Belgium's top scorer if you aren't very good. Miki is the exception to Jose's transfers who looks like an absolute snowflake. Van Gaal signed Schweinsteiger (finished) Schneiderlin, Depay, Blind (decent squad player), Martial (very good player) Shaw (not good enough) Herrera (good squad player) Falcao (came off a bad injury)Darmian , Rojo (good squad player) and Romero. So Martial only the possible starter from that lot. A handful of decent squad players, the rest aren't good enough. Moyes' s biggest problem was sitting on his hands during the summer. Mata was a fairly decent signing but Fellani wasn't what we needed. So saying we have spent a fortune but analyse that lot and the quality is lacking. I disagree with your Shaw comment - he's had some inner and outer demons to tackle but I think he's on the right path |
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Post by Karma on Dec 31, 2017 12:33:56 GMT
Bottom line is the dross being served up by this Portuguese nit-wit is Van Gaal-seque. In fact the clown is giving David Moyes a run for his money. Oh and the moaning about injuries, City's money, etc, etc is just you know, internationally embarrassing for the club. Why are we putting up with this guy?? He should be getting his P45 as a New Years Eve present. This absolutely disgusting football going against everything the club stands for can fuck right off He has us playing like Kettering Town at Old Trafford and even worse away from home. Time to wake up and smell the coffee lads. I didn't think you would better that post from yesterday but you just have. Moyes was an abomination even in comparison to Van Gaal. |
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Post by Karma on Dec 31, 2017 12:37:54 GMT
Jose spent £90 million on Lukaku. It looked some desperate shit since Morata was our target for longer, but could Jose really have wanted a big lump with a poor first touch to lead the line? Did he think Ibra was coming back 6 months early to become the focal point of the attack again? Matic has been a vast improvement. Why Mkhitaryan has been shit is another mystery. Tearing up the Bundesliga and plays like a lost lamb in the Prem. Bailly, Lindelof, and Pogba are improvements. Factor in Herrera's regression under JM and that takes some of the sparkle off Matic and Pogba. Pogba should not be captain. I think Lukaku was a mistake and we need an actual finisher, not a big target man. We also need an actual #10, not Lingard. An actual right wing would be good too. But we should have beaten our last 3 opponents. Jose is setting us up wrong and managing the game wrong. Not really. Jose and the club absolutly did the right thing in regards to Morata. Real wanted to inflate the price since we wouldn't sell them DDG and they were still pissed off about the Fax machine 'incident'. They sold Morata to Chelsea for considerably less than what they wanted from us. That's exactly how I saw that transfer and it's why I wouldn't do any more business with Real again. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2017 12:46:54 GMT
I reckon blaming the owners for this mess is too easy. We may have all been happier with a different ownership but that is no excuse for what we see on the pitch twice a week. Both Jose and LVG have been backed with shitloads of money to get practically (Perisic aside) all the players they were after. Others players have seen their contracts extended on ridiculous terms. I don't buy Jose's narrative of missing funds because City is not our problem. Nevermind trying to work on their terms unless we are funded by an oil-rich dictatorship will see us end up like Ken Bates' Chelsea or Peter Ridsdale Leeds. Nevertheless, The kind of money we've been throwing lately should see us comfortably in the running for the league title in most seasons. Chelsea last season, and definitely Leicester before that, won the league when we finished outside the top 4 despite spending more than they had done. I reckon our squad is not inferior compared to either of these two title-winning squads. Money- uncheck, players- uncheck and what's left is a stark difference in game plan. It's not that theirs was superior to ours. It's the actual existence of one, where players know what they are supposed to do on the pitch. Why - IIRC they've taken something like a billion out of the club for themselves. I'm also pretty sure that when they first came over they said that 20million a season would be enough for transfers. This club is simply a cash-cow for themselves while other clubs are not. I don't know the exact numbers and therefore would happily avoid arguing over this. I also don't know how the improved commercial side allows them to milk out of the club whatever they take home. For example, perhaps (hmm...I do not know) what goes in their pocket could well be money that was not available anyway before we had business ties with dozens of different companies. Bottom line for me is whether money is made available to the manager when he wants to strengthen the side. Whatever they said when they arrived, they have backed our managers with half a billion (?) over the last few seasons. Last night Wolves won at Bristol City with a fraction of those transfer funds and fucking Stoke got a point at Huddersfield a few days earlier. Our owners are irrelevant to my argument in the respect that City's financial doping should be the least of our worries right now. It is all about turning up for a football match and seeing a multi-million pounds squad play like a pub team. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2017 12:52:48 GMT
Why - IIRC they've taken something like a billion out of the club for themselves. I'm also pretty sure that when they first came over they said that 20million a season would be enough for transfers. This club is simply a cash-cow for themselves while other clubs are not. I don't know the exact numbers and therefore would happily avoid arguing over this. I also don't know how the improved commercial side allows them to milk out of the club whatever they take home. For example, perhaps (hmm...I do not know) what goes in their pocket could well be money that was not available anyway before we had business ties with dozens of different companies. Bottom line for me is whether money is made available to the manager when he wants to strengthen the side. Whatever they said when they arrived, they have backed our managers with half a billion (?) over the last few seasons. Last night Wolves won at Bristol City with a fraction of those transfer funds and fucking Stoke got a point at Huddersfield a few days earlier. Our owners are irrelevant to my argument in the respect that City's financial doping should be the least of our worries right now. It is all about turning up for a football match and seeing a multi-million pounds squad play like a pub team. no one is arguing? But I agree with the last sentence. The owners are not completly without blame - they cannot be. Odd I know but even though we're drawn the last 3 games I've actually seen some attacking football and intent that just needs that bit of extra luck. Hell, Even the OT fans were involved yesterday |
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