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Post by aussiegraham on Feb 13, 2018 2:19:32 GMT
Shallow it may be, as you obviously shouldn't judge a book by its cover, but I find it hard to take to Pogba in general as he looks and frequently behaves like such a twat.
We lament the Class of '92 being a "one off" and part of that, in addition to their skill, was that they were a bunch of nice, ordinary lads IMO. Even Becks, when his popularity reached rock star status, came across as a genuinely nice bloke.
Maybe I'd feel different if they too had social media and used it like today's crop do.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2018 2:26:15 GMT
All sounds a bit pie in the sky to me. Football is what it is now. You seem to think playing kids because Fergie and Busby did it can be replicated again. The class of 92 was a one off. Players are earning a fortune without even making it now. The United way is a big myth as well. It's the same as the West Ham one. Look where that has got them. Stuck with David fecking Moyes. Ironic really . There was plenty of awful football under Fergie as well . Well. That big myth of “The United Way” is exactly why supporters around the globe choose to follow and support United. Sir Alex replicated what Sir Matt accomplished. So they both happened to have a one off. At the same club. Espousing the same ideals. Playing attacking football with an emphasis on blooding youth. Sir Alex said it best - United is the most romantic football club with the most romantic story. And right now, the romance is waning. It feels like the ethos of the club is gone. I am not suggesting that United field an entire squad of academy graduates. I realize that will not succeed. I do however think that buying 29 year old mercenaries to come in and displace aspiring youth graduates is a mistake. I just hope the next manager can get more out of his squad than just buying better players. Any club can buy better players. United cannot win that particular game though. PSG, City, Real will win that game everyday. The United way only became a myth when we treated it like one. |
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Post by WhatsTheMata on Feb 13, 2018 3:07:07 GMT
To say the Class of 92 was one off is a lie. What about the 1948 group, league winners and FA Cup champions? What about the babes in the class of 1956? Or the class of 1967? The class of 1982? The 80s who got us Whiteside, Hughes, Duxbury, Blackmore... all of them were part of the youth set up. No doubts the class of 92 is elite, but come on people. Also, we combined youth with players we bought at the market by high prices by the way.
The reason we don't fill the pitch with youth players? Easy. Just watch the reserves. We currently sit 12th in the Premier League 2 table. Out of 16 matches, we won 2. Those are the KIDS we should be playing?
Nor we should rush the development of the U18s. Not fond of them burning steps, there's a huge potential there.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2018 8:06:18 GMT
To say the Class of 92 was one off is a lie. What about the 1948 group, league winners and FA Cup champions? What about the babes, the class of 1956? Or the class of 1967? The class of 1982? The 80s who got us Whiteside, Hughes, Duxbury, Blackmore... all of them were part of youth set up in 80s. No doubts the class of 92 is elite, but come on people. Also, we combined youth with players we bought at the market by high prices by the way. The reason we don't fill the pitch with youth players? Easy. Just watch the reserves. We currently sit 12th in the Premier League 2 table. Out of 16 matches, we won 2. Those are the KIDS we should be playing? Nor we should rush the development of the U18s. Not fond of them burning steps, there's a huge potential there. Aye, people are lauding McTominay now but there was no chance anyone who's watched the reserves over the last 18 months could've expected such improvements from a player who looked so ordinary. Does kind of show what can happen when a kid gets a shot in the first team if they have the correct mentality though. I would say there's not a single player currently there (considering Mitchell is out on loan) who deserves to get a regular spot in the first team right now. Not even Gomes. A few minutes in the cup here and there but he's got to develop further in the u23's. I would definitely consider Mitchell for a squad place next season if he continues to impress on loan at Hearts. |
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Post by Rustin Cohle on Feb 13, 2018 8:31:32 GMT
The tweet isn't showing for some reason. It was stats about Chris Smalling. |
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Post by WhatsTheMata on Feb 13, 2018 8:39:49 GMT
The tweet isn't showing for some reason. It was stats about Chris Smalling. Does my head in that this is Smalling's eighth season with us. |
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Post by Karma on Feb 13, 2018 9:34:05 GMT
All sounds a bit pie in the sky to me. Football is what it is now. You seem to think playing kids because Fergie and Busby did it can be replicated again. The class of 92 was a one off. Players are earning a fortune without even making it now. The United way is a big myth as well. It's the same as the West Ham one. Look where that has got them. Stuck with David fecking Moyes. Ironic really . There was plenty of awful football under Fergie as well . Well. That big myth of “The United Way” is exactly why supporters around the globe choose to follow and support United. Sir Alex replicated what Sir Matt accomplished. So they both happened to have a one off. At the same club. Espousing the same ideals. Playing attacking football with an emphasis on blooding youth. Sir Alex said it best - United is the most romantic football club with the most romantic story. And right now, the romance is waning. It feels like the ethos of the club is gone. I am not suggesting that United field an entire squad of academy graduates. I realize that will not succeed. I do however think that buying 29 year old mercenaries to come in and displace aspiring youth graduates is a mistake. I just hope the next manager can get more out of his squad than just buying better players. Any club can buy better players. United cannot win that particular game though. PSG, City, Real will win that game everyday. I chose United over City because my uncle who was a season ticket holder told me the Bertie's were a bunch of saddos who were crap. He certainly didn't go all misty eyed over the good old days because he went in the 70's and 80's . As for the mercenaries bit, there's plenty of youngsters in that category. The days of the majority of players choosing the club because of its history is gone. Most look at the pay cheque first. I like the idea of exciting attacking football but I also quite like trophies as did Newcastle who failed to win any. With our academy we are also up against City who are using every financial incentive they can to get one over us. It's how long it takes before some of these kids and parents realise that they have a better chance of making it at United considering the limited opportunities at City bar showing Messi like ability. |
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Post by Karma on Feb 13, 2018 9:37:37 GMT
The tweet isn't showing for some reason. It was stats about Chris Smalling. Does my head in that this is Smalling's eighth season with us. Him and Jones. Neither have progressed. Rumours in the press today that both are at risk of getting booted out. I think we'd get decent fees for both. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2018 9:38:07 GMT
Well. That big myth of “The United Way” is exactly why supporters around the globe choose to follow and support United. Sir Alex replicated what Sir Matt accomplished. So they both happened to have a one off. At the same club. Espousing the same ideals. Playing attacking football with an emphasis on blooding youth. Sir Alex said it best - United is the most romantic football club with the most romantic story. And right now, the romance is waning. It feels like the ethos of the club is gone. I am not suggesting that United field an entire squad of academy graduates. I realize that will not succeed. I do however think that buying 29 year old mercenaries to come in and displace aspiring youth graduates is a mistake. I just hope the next manager can get more out of his squad than just buying better players. Any club can buy better players. United cannot win that particular game though. PSG, City, Real will win that game everyday. I chose United over City because my uncle who was a season ticket holder told me the Bertie's were a bunch of saddos who were crap. He certainly didn't go all misty eyed over the good old days because he went in the 70's and 80's . Which explains why your views on football lack passion, excitement and romance. Reading you talking about football is like an accountant talking about numbers. |
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Post by mightyez on Feb 13, 2018 9:42:01 GMT
i think in the past we have had mentally tougher, polished and focused players.
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Post by Karma on Feb 13, 2018 9:50:18 GMT
I chose United over City because my uncle who was a season ticket holder told me the Bertie's were a bunch of saddos who were crap. He certainly didn't go all misty eyed over the good old days because he went in the 70's and 80's . Which explains why your views on football lack passion, excitement and romance. Reading you talking about football is like an accountant talking about numbers. Passion will never make up for skill and ability but it's also important. Actually I'm married to an accountant maybe that's why? This obsession with history and tradition is what left us appointing Moyes instead of the best available out there. It's also what makes some fans think that ex players should get jobs that they are under qualified for. A kind of nepotism. When Fergie left an era was lost. Football isn't the same today. It's hard to feel that same connection at times because it seems to be all about money now. That's the way it is. But you can't stay stuck in the past. Of course United still has massive appeal because of what they have achieved but you only have to go on Facebook to see the number of fans who want everything now and want the manager sacked if they aren't winning 5 nil every game. Most kids will support the team who are winning or the one their dad supports. Not because of their past . |
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Post by On a break on Feb 13, 2018 10:19:47 GMT
i think in the past we have had mentally tougher, polished and focused players. I dont think some of our players want to play for the United shirt, a shrug of the shoulders when they lose the ball says everything. |
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Post by Karma on Feb 13, 2018 10:23:33 GMT
To say the Class of 92 was one off is a lie. What about the 1948 group, league winners and FA Cup champions? What about the babes, the class of 1956? Or the class of 1967? The class of 1982? The 80s who got us Whiteside, Hughes, Duxbury, Blackmore... all of them were part of youth set up in 80s. No doubts the class of 92 is elite, but come on people. Also, we combined youth with players we bought at the market by high prices by the way. The reason we don't fill the pitch with youth players? Easy. Just watch the reserves. We currently sit 12th in the Premier League 2 table. Out of 16 matches, we won 2. Those are the KIDS we should be playing? Nor we should rush the development of the U18s. Not fond of them burning steps, there's a huge potential there. Aye, people are lauding McTominay now but there was no chance anyone who's watched the reserves over the last 18 months could've expected such improvements from a player who looked so ordinary. Does kind of show what can happen when a kid gets a shot in the first team if they have the correct mentality though. I would say there's not a single player currently there (considering Mitchell is out on loan) who deserves to get a regular spot in the first team right now. Not even Gomes. A few minutes in the cup here and there but he's got to develop further in the u23's. I would definitely consider Mitchell for a squad place next season if he continues to impress on loan at Hearts. Rashford was behind in the pecking order wasn't he? That player we sold to West Ham (reluctantly )was a better prospect apparently. He should have signed that contract.Silly bugger is at Middlesbrough now. |
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Post by Karma on Feb 13, 2018 10:26:52 GMT
The tweet isn't showing for some reason. It was stats about Chris Smalling. Give me some transfer stats please. Buy one get one free preferably. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2018 10:39:01 GMT
Aye, people are lauding McTominay now but there was no chance anyone who's watched the reserves over the last 18 months could've expected such improvements from a player who looked so ordinary. Does kind of show what can happen when a kid gets a shot in the first team if they have the correct mentality though. I would say there's not a single player currently there (considering Mitchell is out on loan) who deserves to get a regular spot in the first team right now. Not even Gomes. A few minutes in the cup here and there but he's got to develop further in the u23's. I would definitely consider Mitchell for a squad place next season if he continues to impress on loan at Hearts. Rashford was behind in the pecking order wasn't he? That player we sold to West Ham (reluctantly )was a better prospect apparently. He should have signed that contract.Silly bugger is at Middlesbrough now. Rashford has always been highly rated but that player you're thinking about is Fletcher, he was further along in his development than Rashford and if he wasn't out on loan at the time he'd have probably got the call up to the first team instead of Rashford. Rashford replaced him in the reserve side and had only played a handful of games for them if I remember correctly and was largely unmentionable. Definitely another player who you could not expect to perform so well as soon as he did when he got to the first team. Some kids get lucky and take the chance with both hands. Others do all the hard work in the reserves to earn their call up to the first team then don't have the mettle to kick on, think Januzaj. Who along with Pogba and Ravel Morrison is one of the most talented players I've ever personally seen in our reserves. Really shows that it's as much about attitude and mentality as it is about talent. |
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