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Post by Stew1980 on Apr 16, 2018 12:42:41 GMT
Same problems but it has disrupted us more than before he came, that's not his fault either. Hes been told to play so he's hardly gonna say no. The reason its been a disruption is because of Jose and his fucking ego. Sanchez came in when Martial was in a good bit of form, Rashford was doing ok then he switches one of them and drops the other or both to accommodate Sanchez. Sanchez barring 2 or 3 games has been piss poor, countlessly giving the ball away in most games he's played, yet still keeps Martial and Rashford on the bench. People talk about good his man management has been but hes fucked up this season just as much with it, Martial, Rashford and Shaw. 3 promising youngsters that atm are basically being left high and dry and have done very little to deserve it. Shaw I would say is an exception however since his return from injury he barely put a foot wrong, praised publicly by Jose himself then dropped for no reason what so ever then slated publicly, that's not great man management at all. Shaw isn't good enough imo but I'd doubt we're going to agree so I'll leave it there. Is he better than Young? Young has done well given his age and *certain* performances, but Shaw, when he's played has been more than decent, which is Young's absolute maximum. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2018 12:59:49 GMT
Same problems but it has disrupted us more than before he came, that's not his fault either. Hes been told to play so he's hardly gonna say no. The reason its been a disruption is because of Jose and his fucking ego. Sanchez came in when Martial was in a good bit of form, Rashford was doing ok then he switches one of them and drops the other or both to accommodate Sanchez. Sanchez barring 2 or 3 games has been piss poor, countlessly giving the ball away in most games he's played, yet still keeps Martial and Rashford on the bench. People talk about good his man management has been but hes fucked up this season just as much with it, Martial, Rashford and Shaw. 3 promising youngsters that atm are basically being left high and dry and have done very little to deserve it. Shaw I would say is an exception however since his return from injury he barely put a foot wrong, praised publicly by Jose himself then dropped for no reason what so ever then slated publicly, that's not great man management at all. Shaw isn't good enough imo but I'd doubt we're going to agree so I'll leave it there. We do differ on that but I won't argue against yours. IMO Young has been decent at LB. But he's been found out on a number of occasions, nobody is more proud of how he dealt with the vermin than I am but hes not a recognised left back, nor is he getting any younger and we need to realise that. IMO Shaw is more than good enough, he just needs a good run of games (something he started to get before he was unjustifiably dropped and we havent seen anything from him since). I could almost guarantee you if he leaves in the summer wherever he goes he will turn into a solid class left back. I may be a small number that thinks it but I'll be gutted if he goes in the summer because I can see the potential there. |
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Post by Karma on Apr 16, 2018 13:04:25 GMT
Shaw isn't good enough imo but I'd doubt we're going to agree so I'll leave it there. We do differ on that but I won't argue against yours. IMO Young has been decent at LB. But he's been fpind out on a number of occasions, nobody is more proud of how he dealt with the vermin than I am but hes not a recognised left back, nor is he getting any younger and we need to realise that. IMO Shaw is more than good enough, he just needs a good run of games (something he started to get before he was unjustifiably dropped and we havent seen anything from him since). I could almost guarantee you if he leaves in the summer wherever he goes he will turn into a solid class left back. I may be a small number that thinks it but I'll be gutted if he goes in the summer because I can see the potential there. I'd be more upset if Martial left. Not really fussed with Shaw but at least 3 of our back 4 shouldn't be starting. |
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Post by Stew1980 on Apr 16, 2018 13:05:25 GMT
Shaw isn't good enough imo but I'd doubt we're going to agree so I'll leave it there. We do differ on that but I won't argue against yours. IMO Young has been decent at LB. But he's been found out on a number of occasions, nobody is more proud of how he dealt with the vermin than I am but hes not a recognised left back, nor is he getting any younger and we need to realise that. IMO Shaw is more than good enough, he just needs a good run of games (something he started to get before he was unjustifiably dropped and we havent seen anything from him since). I could almost guarantee you if he leaves in the summer wherever he goes he will turn into a solid class left back. I may be a small number that thinks it but I'll be gutted if he goes in the summer because I can see the potential there. I'd not be surprised to see both Shaw and Martial both leave this Summer for under £100m combined and then both go on to be the best players in their positions in the world |
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Post by Karma on Apr 16, 2018 13:07:01 GMT
Shaw isn't good enough imo but I'd doubt we're going to agree so I'll leave it there. Is he better than Young? Young has done well given his age and *certain* performances, but Shaw, when he's played has been more than decent, which is Young's absolute maximum. Nothing in it, but for all his criticisms I can remember 2 great performances this season , 1 against Pool. I'd be struggling to think of the same with Shaw over a few seasons. Neither are good enough which is my point. |
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Post by Karma on Apr 16, 2018 13:08:12 GMT
We do differ on that but I won't argue against yours. IMO Young has been decent at LB. But he's been found out on a number of occasions, nobody is more proud of how he dealt with the vermin than I am but hes not a recognised left back, nor is he getting any younger and we need to realise that. IMO Shaw is more than good enough, he just needs a good run of games (something he started to get before he was unjustifiably dropped and we havent seen anything from him since). I could almost guarantee you if he leaves in the summer wherever he goes he will turn into a solid class left back. I may be a small number that thinks it but I'll be gutted if he goes in the summer because I can see the potential there. I'd not be surprised to see both Shaw and Martial both leave this Summer for under £100m combined and then both go on to be the best players in their positions in the world If I was a betting man I'd wager a bet that they won't be, certainly not Shaw anyway. |
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Post by Stew1980 on Apr 16, 2018 13:08:23 GMT
Is he better than Young? Young has done well given his age and *certain* performances, but Shaw, when he's played has been more than decent, which is Young's absolute maximum. Nothing in it, but for all his criticisms I can remember 2 great performances this season , 1 against Pool. I'd be struggling to think of the same with Shaw over a few seasons. Neither are good enough which is my point. Guess we just disagree on the potential then |
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Post by Rustin Cohle on Apr 16, 2018 13:20:42 GMT
Edit: note how the old men in the pub are drinking water due to advertising restrictions...
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Post by Karma on Apr 16, 2018 13:28:05 GMT
Nothing in it, but for all his criticisms I can remember 2 great performances this season , 1 against Pool. I'd be struggling to think of the same with Shaw over a few seasons. Neither are good enough which is my point. Guess we just disagree on the potential then That's just what it is though, potential. Shaw has been here 3 years, injury aside. I would rather give an academy lad a chance. |
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Post by Karma on Apr 16, 2018 13:29:18 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2018 14:10:28 GMT
Edit: note how the old men in the pub are drinking water due to advertising restrictions... If we ever did something like this Id give up on football. Sweet Christ thats cringy as fuck. |
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Post by . on Apr 16, 2018 14:40:18 GMT
Edit: note how the old men in the pub are drinking water due to advertising restrictions... Bellend FC. |
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Post by ratbag on Apr 16, 2018 15:39:26 GMT
My first and only visit to OT this year. I had a great day up until I walked in to the stadium... What a shit show... Found the reason we lost everyone.  To be fair to me, I have seen us win a good few times... |
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Post by smithy2 on Apr 16, 2018 15:46:42 GMT
That's the ultimate in corporate cringe. Football has gone to the dogs. First 4 seasons of lost were great. |
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Post by Karma on Apr 16, 2018 15:50:34 GMT
That's the ultimate in corporate cringe. Football has gone to the dogs. First 4 seasons of lost were great. Yeah I have been tempted. Still trying to motivate myself to watch the last couple of seasons of Dexter tbh. |
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