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Post by On a break on May 5, 2018 7:57:24 GMT
Rashford and Martial are not kids anymore ffs they have been average at best. Who would of though sterling would have been so important to city this season it's crazy when a manager instills confidence in a player and gets a tune out of them. Jose has done the total opposite with them 2 which is probably why we get the poor performances when they start once every month or so Agree 100% mate its poor management not the players at all here. |
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Post by . on May 5, 2018 8:01:40 GMT
This place really does lose its shit after a loss. And sometimes before a loss We've lost to Brighton fellas, with par for the course mundane football. People have every right to 'lose their shit'. |
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2018 8:02:31 GMT
And sometimes before a loss We've lost to Brighton fellas, with par for the course mundane football. People have every right to 'lose their shit'. Go right ahead |
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Post by juanveron on May 5, 2018 8:04:09 GMT
It seemed to me yesterday (and also on the other rare occasions where they were on the field at the same time) that Rashford and Martial don't want to contribute to the other one doing well because they know that means less minutes for themselves.
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Post by Karma on May 5, 2018 8:53:38 GMT
it wouldn't bother me in the slightest if Jose left and took Fellaini, Darmian, Smalling and Rojo with him. these players aren't good enough! I have defended Fellaini as a plan C but how fucking rubbish is he and why is he starting. he cant link up play, he cant control a game, he gets in the way and spaces of other players and he cant run. Darmian is the worst united defender I have ever seen and whoever buys him are bonkers. hes let us down so many times. Martial and Rashford were absolutely terrible, we see some glimpses of brilliance, but last night they weren't even good enough to play championship level. they have played a few times recently too so its not because they aren't match fit/sharp. they deserve to be nowhere near this starting line up yet. what did mata do ? nothing. its always going to be hard for him playing on the RW with no pace behind him supporting. Jose has to take responsibility for the tactics, system, player choice and coaching of these players. we don't have any attacking systems or patterns, the players don't know where each other should be/should be running, we cant pass fluidly for a consecutive period of time and we cant get up for these games. that's down to Jose no matter what way you try spin it. that's a managers job. Smalling has been one of our better players. But no let's sell him and flip a coin as to whether Jones will be available the following week which again he isn't. How about pointing the the finger at some of those who played last night who could have shown why they should be picked ahead of others? Some of these players have played under another 2-4 managers so maybe it's time to let them show some responsibility for their performances instead of arguing that they will play better under x,y or z ? Darmian, Jones, Fellani, Shaw, Blind can go , can't give a good argument to keep any of them. Martial, Pogba, Rashford , Bailly and Sanchez in all in the pull your socks up category In the red zone, Lindelof, Rojo, and Mata Best of the rest Matic, Lukaku,Herrera, De Gea, Smalling and Lingard Should be squad players, Valencia and Young, you could chuck Rojo and possibly Lingard in this category. |
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Post by Karma on May 5, 2018 10:31:28 GMT
Who would of though sterling would have been so important to city this season it's crazy when a manager instills confidence in a player and gets a tune out of them. Jose has done the total opposite with them 2 which is probably why we get the poor performances when they start once every month or so Agree 100% mate its poor management not the players at all here. Most of these players have played under at least 2 managers so maybe it's not entirely on the boss ? Compile a list of those you want to keep, be ruthless, how many would there be? De Gea, Sanchez (based on being a January signing) Herrera, Lukaku, Matic, Smalling, Lingard Everyone else needs to give me a good argument to keep. |
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Post by caino on May 5, 2018 10:42:31 GMT
it wouldn't bother me in the slightest if Jose left and took Fellaini, Darmian, Smalling and Rojo with him. these players aren't good enough! I have defended Fellaini as a plan C but how fucking rubbish is he and why is he starting. he cant link up play, he cant control a game, he gets in the way and spaces of other players and he cant run. Darmian is the worst united defender I have ever seen and whoever buys him are bonkers. hes let us down so many times. Martial and Rashford were absolutely terrible, we see some glimpses of brilliance, but last night they weren't even good enough to play championship level. they have played a few times recently too so its not because they aren't match fit/sharp. they deserve to be nowhere near this starting line up yet. what did mata do ? nothing. its always going to be hard for him playing on the RW with no pace behind him supporting. Jose has to take responsibility for the tactics, system, player choice and coaching of these players. we don't have any attacking systems or patterns, the players don't know where each other should be/should be running, we cant pass fluidly for a consecutive period of time and we cant get up for these games. that's down to Jose no matter what way you try spin it. that's a managers job. Smalling has been one of our better players. But no let's sell him and flip a coin as to whether Jones will be available the following week which again he isn't. How about pointing the the finger at some of those who played last night who could have shown why they should be picked ahead of others? Some of these players have played under another 2-4 managers so maybe it's time to let them show some responsibility for their performances instead of arguing that they will play better under x,y or z ? Darmian, Jones, Fellani, Shaw, Blind can go , can't give a good argument to keep any of them. Martial, Pogba, Rashford , Bailly and Sanchez in all in the pull your socks up category In the red zone, Lindelof, Rojo, and Mata Best of the rest Matic, Lukaku,Herrera, De Gea, Smalling and Lingard Should be squad players, Valencia and Young, you could chuck Rojo and possibly Lingard in this category. if you've read what ive posted in previous threads, im not a massive fan of smalling. hes very very limited. he can defend high balls and 1 on 1s okay, but his positioning isn't great, hes clumsy and hes absolutely terrible on the ball. I also don't think hes vocal and intelligent enough to be a top CB. I mean looking at our top CBs in previous years, both CBs could have been captain; not a chance would I have smalling. it wouldn't bother me if Jones got sold either, or Rojo. im not a massive fan of any of them. I have. there the ones ive pointed too ? get them out. theyre not good enough and don't have the heart for it at this club. lindelof still needs more time and I believe he will be better than smalling jones and rojo eventually. and we have a right to lose our shit. we should be giving our fans a result to be happy with for the weekend especially after seeing our closest rivals go through to the final of the CL and our neighbours will be lifting the PL trophy on sunday. |
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Post by caino on May 5, 2018 10:47:08 GMT
Agree 100% mate its poor management not the players at all here. Most of these players have played under at least 2 managers so maybe it's not entirely on the boss ?Compile a list of those you want to keep, be ruthless, how many would there be? De Gea, Sanchez (based on being a January signing) Herrera, Lukaku, Matic, Smalling, Lingard Everyone else needs to give me a good argument to keep. the last 2 managers were shown the door because they were useless. Jose has far more fire power and a much better squad than what Moyes and LVG had to work with. fair enough Jose has changed the squad but hes not doing enough. |
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2018 10:57:05 GMT
So he's not a kid then, these lads have been brought on from a very young age these days, he looked better two years ago..where's the progress? Jesus wept, he’s absolutely a kid. He wouldn’t get served a beer in most bars in America. Young players are, barring a very odd exception, inconsistent. At the same age Ronaldo scored just 12 goals and started nearly every game that season. Guess what? He was maddeningly inconsistent. Mate. I didn't realise that we judge things based on what you can or cannot do over in the States? |
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Post by Stew on May 5, 2018 10:58:48 GMT
Jesus wept, he’s absolutely a kid. He wouldn’t get served a beer in most bars in America. Young players are, barring a very odd exception, inconsistent. At the same age Ronaldo scored just 12 goals and started nearly every game that season. Guess what? He was maddeningly inconsistent. Mate. I didn't realise that we judge things based on what you can or cannot do over in the States? It’s to illustrate a point Carbs. If 20 doesn’t qualify as a kid anymore then I give up. |
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2018 11:12:30 GMT
Mate. I didn't realise that we judge things based on what you can or cannot do over in the States? It’s to illustrate a point Carbs. If 20 doesn’t qualify as a kid anymore then I give up. Personally I'd say young adult but I get your point, he is still learning and shouldn't be expected to be anywhere near an end product. I mentioned at the start of the season about him being more selfish which I liked at the time but I'm not so sure now. |
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Post by caino on May 5, 2018 11:44:56 GMT
his performance last night is nothing to do with him being a young lad imo. it was just out n out dog shit. didn't test the keeper once, make any decent passes, struggled to make normal passes, didn't protect the ball. stuff like that is basic football that he will have learnt from a young age.
last night was a great chance for him and for martial but they both fluffed it.
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Post by Coogie on May 5, 2018 12:07:57 GMT
I'll openly admit I am not mourinho's biggest fan therefore if I see an occasion where he has messed up e.g. Sevilla, I will call it out... HOWEVER can we get some perspective on last night.. look at it not only from last night's game but other games we lost too.. West Brom, Newcastle, Huddersfield etc.. What is the common denominator in all of these.. all games United should have won and were clear favourites to win on paper.. having watched the West Brom game that to me looked like a bunch of arrogant over entitled pre Madonnas.. not United players at all.. to Me it's a mindset these players have..we can continue to go on and on and on about coaching tactics etc but to me the players just have over inflated sense of worth and ego.. it's as if they just need to show up against teams like West Brom and Brighton and the game is won..
I don't appreciate the tactics which mourinho deploys at times but what I can appreciate is how he is trying to eradicate this ego centric attitude that is rife amongst the players.. our great teams in the past were arrogant but they were arrogant because they achieved that status, they were the best, champions.. this lot.. Nah! Apart from De Gea, Lingard, Lukaku and Matic.. the rest (at present) don't have the mentality to be United players..
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Post by Stew1980 on May 5, 2018 13:08:38 GMT
I'll openly admit I am not mourinho's biggest fan therefore if I see an occasion where he has messed up e.g. Sevilla, I will call it out... HOWEVER can we get some perspective on last night.. look at it not only from last night's game but other games we lost too.. West Brom, Newcastle, Huddersfield etc.. What is the common denominator in all of these.. all games United should have won and were clear favourites to win on paper.. having watched the West Brom game that to me looked like a bunch of arrogant over entitled pre Madonnas.. not United players at all.. to Me it's a mindset these players have..we can continue to go on and on and on about coaching tactics etc but to me the players just have over inflated sense of worth and ego.. it's as if they just need to show up against teams like West Brom and Brighton and the game is won.. I don't appreciate the tactics which mourinho deploys at times but what I can appreciate is how he is trying to eradicate this ego centric attitude that is rife amongst the players.. our great teams in the past were arrogant but they were arrogant because they achieved that status, they were the best, champions.. this lot.. Nah! Apart from De Gea, Lingard, Lukaku and Matic.. the rest (at present) don't have the mentality to be United players.. I don't think they're being over-confident, or arrogant. Quite the opposite, that no matter what they do they ain't getting past his faves. Their confidence looks shot. |
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Post by WhatsTheMata on May 5, 2018 13:12:35 GMT
Sorry guys but once again Martial and Rashford just not good enough. The Manager’s comments after the game are aimed at these two. Wouldn’t be surprised if they both left at the end of the season. Please, introduce yourself at the newbies section before stirring shit opinions. Ta. |
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