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Post by WhatsTheMata on May 5, 2018 13:15:29 GMT
Rashford and Martial are not kids anymore ffs they have been average at best. Should've missed the part where Rashford is 20 and Martial 22? Or now we measure players age the same as regular life? |
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Post by Stew1980 on May 5, 2018 13:18:41 GMT
Rashford and Martial are not kids anymore ffs they have been average at best. Should've missed the part where Rashford is 20 and Martial 22? Or now we measure players age the same as regular life? At 20 and 22, you should be at the peak of your powers, and be a model of consistency... especially when you're in the starting 11 week in, week out. Fuck them scrotes. |
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Post by WhatsTheMata on May 5, 2018 13:20:31 GMT
Should've missed the part where Rashford is 20 and Martial 22? Or now we measure players age the same as regular life? At 20 and 22, you should be at the peak of your powers, and be a model of consistency... especially when you're in the starting 11 week in, week out. Fuck them scrotes. And you should be on a shortlist for the Ballon d'Or. Please, don't forget that. If you are not one of the best at the age of 22 your life as a player is over. |
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Post by Max United on May 5, 2018 14:21:02 GMT
Rashford and Martial are not kids anymore ffs they have been average at best. Should've missed the part where Rashford is 20 and Martial 22? Or now we measure players age the same as regular life? Yeah, your brain isn’t fully developed at 22. They’re kids |
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Post by WhatsTheMata on May 5, 2018 15:54:22 GMT
Should've missed the part where Rashford is 20 and Martial 22? Or now we measure players age the same as regular life? Yeah, your brain isn’t fully developed at 22. They’re kids I meant professionally. Or are you the finished article by the age of 22? If you are, either you are a prodigy or I'm sorry for you  |
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Post by WhatsTheMata on May 5, 2018 15:58:01 GMT
I cannot BELIEVE some are advocating that two boys, aged 20 and 22, should be the finished article professionally.
That is insane, irrational and stupid.
Can people at least maintain a tad of their rationality? Or is that too much to ask one day after the match?
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Post by redcase on May 5, 2018 16:44:42 GMT
I cannot BELIEVE some are advocating that two boys, aged 20 and 22, should be the finished article professionally. That is insane, irrational and stupid. Can people at least maintain a tad of their rationality? Or is that too much to ask one day after the match? One of those boys is old enough to have a kid by 19, cheat on his baby mama by the time he's 20 , break up with her, shack up with someone else and is about to have his second child by 22. Not to mention the messy after with the first wife. Clearly he doesn't think himself as just a boy isn't it ? Boys dont do that. Edit : My point is , there are plenty other boys out there as well who are taking on the responsibility of their football as men. Ronaldo , at this age , behaved like a man, for example (since Martial is considered here as the next best thing to pass through these halls after Ronaldo) . If we are to treat them as boys in their professional lives , they must know there is a pecking order and they have to do the work. They have to be ready when called upon. Whereas it would seem that we need to hand them the entire world on a platter sometimes. |
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Post by WhatsTheMata on May 5, 2018 17:21:51 GMT
I cannot BELIEVE some are advocating that two boys, aged 20 and 22, should be the finished article professionally. That is insane, irrational and stupid. Can people at least maintain a tad of their rationality? Or is that too much to ask one day after the match? One of those boys is old enough to have a kid by 19, cheat on his baby mama by the time he's 20 , break up with her, shack up with someone else and is about to have his second child by 22. Not to mention the messy after with the first wife. Clearly he doesn't think himself as just a boy isn't it ? Boys dont do that. Edit : My point is , there are plenty other boys out there as well who are taking on the responsibility of their football as men. Ronaldo , at this age , behaved like a man, for example (since Martial is considered here as the next best thing to pass through these halls after Ronaldo) . If we are to treat them as boys in their professional lives , they must know there is a pecking order and they have to do the work. They have to be ready when called upon. Whereas it would seem that we need to hand them the entire world on a platter sometimes. I agree on his personal life, don't like what he has done. I'm questioning his age in terms of professionalism. But then you'd think 22 year old footballers don't have inconsistent performances – yesterday was one and he isn't immune to criticism. Also, Martial was a threat down the left before Sanchez arrival, one of our best players. You seem to forget that even Ronaldo, who is a football legend, had inconsistent performances at that age. |
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Post by Max United on May 5, 2018 17:46:00 GMT
Yeah, your brain isn’t fully developed at 22. They’re kids I meant professionally. Or are you the finished article by the age of 22? If you are, either you are a prodigy or I'm sorry for you Being that young does influence their style of play and judgment. They’re not close being the finished article. Rashford has shown instances of poor judgment and so has martial. That’s a part of being young and dumb which all of us went through. Although, that doesn’t mean they are not responsible for their performances. They need time to develop and there’s great literature on cognition and executive functioning in young athletes. Here’s a paper: journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0034731 |
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Post by redcase on May 5, 2018 17:48:26 GMT
One of those boys is old enough to have a kid by 19, cheat on his baby mama by the time he's 20 , break up with her, shack up with someone else and is about to have his second child by 22. Not to mention the messy after with the first wife. Clearly he doesn't think himself as just a boy isn't it ? Boys dont do that. Edit : My point is , there are plenty other boys out there as well who are taking on the responsibility of their football as men. Ronaldo , at this age , behaved like a man, for example (since Martial is considered here as the next best thing to pass through these halls after Ronaldo) . If we are to treat them as boys in their professional lives , they must know there is a pecking order and they have to do the work. They have to be ready when called upon. Whereas it would seem that we need to hand them the entire world on a platter sometimes. I agree on his personal life, don't like what he has done. I'm questioning his age in terms of professionalism. But then you'd think 22 year old footballers don't have inconsistent performances – yesterday was one and he isn't immune to criticism. Also, Martial was a threat down the left before Sanchez arrival, one of our best players. You seem to forget that even Ronaldo, who is a football legend, had inconsistent performances at that age. I have no problem with that. If you scroll through my posts from a few months ago , that's what I said about Rashford especially. That he needs time , he has to buckle down and learn the ropes and commit to hard work. But when Martial thinks he knows better than a manager who has won 25 trophies in his career, and agitates for a move because he feels he should play regular football , and because he thinks he deserves a place above Alexis Sanchez ( who has proved through the years what type of a player he is), it signals to me that he's ready to be judged as a man and not a boy. It tells me that he wants to be considered as a superstar or as the main man. If that's the case, he is not a kid anymore and he is open to criticism , just like Alexis Sanchez has been copping these past weeks. The playing field has to be even for all in my opinion. |
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Post by Bestie on May 5, 2018 17:53:13 GMT
If the playing field was level Sanchez would have been dropped for either Rashford or Martial to get a chance weeks ago.
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Post by redcase on May 5, 2018 17:58:41 GMT
If the playing field was level Sanchez would have been dropped for either Rashford or Martial to get a chance weeks ago. Which I don't disagree with . And which is also why I'm fucked off with Martial. He should have been locked in, raring to go. All that frustration and anger of being sat out unfairly, coming out in one glorious explosion of football. |
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Post by WhatsTheMata on May 5, 2018 18:22:03 GMT
I agree on his personal life, don't like what he has done. I'm questioning his age in terms of professionalism. But then you'd think 22 year old footballers don't have inconsistent performances – yesterday was one and he isn't immune to criticism. Also, Martial was a threat down the left before Sanchez arrival, one of our best players. You seem to forget that even Ronaldo, who is a football legend, had inconsistent performances at that age. I have no problem with that. If you scroll through my posts from a few months ago , that's what I said about Rashford especially. That he needs time , he has to buckle down and learn the ropes and commit to hard work. But when Martial thinks he knows better than a manager who has won 25 trophies in his career, and agitates for a move because he feels he should play regular football , and because he thinks he deserves a place above Alexis Sanchez ( who has proved through the years what type of a player he is), it signals to me that he's ready to be judged as a man and not a boy. It tells me that he wants to be considered as a superstar or as the main man. If that's the case, he is not a kid anymore and he is open to criticism , just like Alexis Sanchez has been copping these past weeks. The playing field has to be even for all in my opinion. I do have a problem, quite like I had with the Giggs shagging his brother's wife. Fair enough, and I said he's open to criticism. However, Sanchez is on his prime whilst Martial is 22. It's perfectly natural that he wants more regular football and he should get more minutes than he's currently getting because he was one of the best players of the season. The most likely scenario is that he will sign his extension and this will go away. The thing questioned is that performance-wise, it's natural that both Rashford and Martial have inconsistent performances given their age. |
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Post by Bestie on May 5, 2018 18:26:59 GMT
If the playing field was level Sanchez would have been dropped for either Rashford or Martial to get a chance weeks ago. Which I don't disagree with . And which is also why I'm fucked off with Martial. He should have been locked in, raring to go. All that frustration and anger of being sat out unfairly, coming out in one glorious explosion of football. As I've said before, it's difficult to suddenly be thrust into the team when you haven't been playing and out of form. Particularly when the player knows a good performance will likely still not guarantee another chance in the next game. |
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Post by WhatsTheMata on May 5, 2018 18:32:48 GMT
I meant professionally. Or are you the finished article by the age of 22? If you are, either you are a prodigy or I'm sorry for you Being that young does influence their style of play and judgment. They’re not close being the finished article. Rashford has shown instances of poor judgment and so has martial. That’s a part of being young and dumb which all of us went through. Although, that doesn’t mean they are not responsible for their performances. They need time to develop and there’s great literature on cognition and executive functioning in young athletes. Here’s a paper: journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0034731And when have I said they shouldn't be held accountable for their own performances? You can see me criticising all of them yesterday by the way. |
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