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Post by hh on Sept 23, 2018 10:37:52 GMT
I haven't seen the match yet but some great comments about our players in general which I agree with.
Too much mediocrity and not enough effort. Playing as if there is no competition for their place, either as a result of being a Mourinho favourite or by the genuine lack of decent competition in that position.
I agree that Smalling is our best CB and I would definitely keep. But the fact that our other CBs look up at him as a benchmark is worrying! Any United defender aspiring to be him needs to be moved on!
Valencia has been a great servant to the club but would struggle to get in the majority of PL teams. Same with Young, but well done Luke Shaw for solving that one. Dalot seems promising but will take him time.
I like Pogba Matic and Fred as a midfield three. How often that is actually going to happen though I don't know. Fellaini seems to be the first reserve if there is an injury or suspension, regardless of who the opposition is.
I don't know what the biggest joke is, our current LW or our RW. Sort it out Mourinho. Nobody is doing enough to dislodge Lukaku yet but I do feel like he needs some competition!
Again this is a rant in general, I have no idea about individual performances yesterday.
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Post by Karma on Sept 23, 2018 10:39:46 GMT
At the end of the day lads, there’s a guy out there, wanting the job, that’s won as many champions leagues in 4 years as Man Utd have in its history. But we have a board who sit on their hands so we will have to see what's available when the maths wins out. |
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Post by Stew on Sept 23, 2018 11:00:55 GMT
At the end of the day lads, there’s a guy out there, wanting the job, that’s won as many champions leagues in 4 years as Man Utd have in its history. But we have a board who sit on their hands so we will have to see what's available when the maths wins out. If those morons can’t even do this, they should all be fired. Out of a cannon preferably. |
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Post by On a break on Sept 23, 2018 11:08:47 GMT
Stats eh? all I know is I watched the game sober and according to the BBC we had 6 shots on target and Wolves had 8, De Gea was the busier keeper and we are the home side, the Rose tinteds dont do it for me.
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Post by Rustin Cohle on Sept 23, 2018 11:09:31 GMT
I think the worst thing we could do is try and sign young, British players - except Kane, who has proven that he is world class. I want great players and I don’t care what country they were born in. I do have a fear that The FA will use Brexit as an excuse to force clubs to fill half (or more) of the team on the pitch with British players at all times. The EU didn’t allow that before. It’d massively devalue the quality and monetary value of the PL IMO, all to try and probably fail to chase a World Cup. The only upside would be if the PL became less lucrative maybe the Glazers would fuck off. We have a brilliant record with young British players. We fucked up with Zaha. There's absolutely no reason we shouldn't be hoovering the best English talent. I more meant that the best English talent, barring the odd gem, simply isn’t good enough. |
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Post by caino on Sept 23, 2018 11:13:57 GMT
Stats eh? all I know is I watched the game sober and according to the BBC we had 6 shots on target and Wolves had 8, De Gea was the busier keeper and we are the home side, the Rose tinteds dont do it for me. and this wasn't a top 6 side we were playing. it was a good promoted team. we should be squatting these away. I was listening to commentary and they said: "if you told me 1 team was a newly promoted team wanted to be safe from relegation and the other was a team that aspires to win, it would be Wolves looking to win" |
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Post by Rustin Cohle on Sept 23, 2018 11:14:37 GMT
I think a few managers could if they were given the right circumstances (the most important of which is probably a DoF/Woodward just staying out of transfers, but they’d also need financial backing). Jardim, Simeone, Pochettino all spring to mind as managers who could do the 2-3 season rebuild I think we need - I also had Sarri in mind before he went to Chelsea. None of them are perfect. Pochettino has the silverware issue and his players burn out at the end of the season (and possibly at the start of the season now, but I think that’s more due to Levy not giving him the money to build a true squad rather than just having 14-15 players of use). Jardim doesn’t have much of a record in terms of identifying players in the transfer market, nor a history of spending money well (easier said than done as we prove). Simeone’s main criticism is style of play - not the idea that he is overly defensive week in week out which I believe is simply untrue, but in big games he does have an underdog style that would work very well now, but wouldn’t suit us once we become a team that wins every other title (or more) again. If Simeone came in for 4-5 years and then went to his dream job at Inter, leaving the door open for Zidane to push us that bit further, that could possibly be perfect. You see, I really don’t get the idea behind picking one of these guys over a far more successful manager in Zidane. To me that’s actually trying to be too clever. We don’t know what Zidane is capable of yet. Maybe he can rebuild a side if required. But did City think they should wait because Pep had been handed excellent squads at his previous clubs? Of course not. Why should we? These guys listed are good manager but as have as many doubts as Zidane. I’d prefer to take a gamble on the guy who has won 3 champions leagues in 4 years. If Ed gets out of his way, say signs 3 top drawer players then the team can be transformed. Jose and van Gaal were both supremely successful and both have failed here (barring a miracle turnaround from Jose). I think the stuff I mentioned is more important right now than a track record of trophies (though obviously within reason, I’m not advocating Eddie Howe or someone from The Championship). There’s a good chance that Zidane comes in and rebuilds our squad and it’s excellent. I just think there’s a better chance with the managers I’ve listed. I won’t be upset if he comes in. But we need to be so careful with this appointment, because we’re slipping further and further into the abyss and each failure could make things worse and worse with the time without a title increasing. |
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Post by Karma on Sept 23, 2018 11:16:55 GMT
But we have a board who sit on their hands so we will have to see what's available when the maths wins out. If those morons can’t even do this, they should all be fired. Out of a cannon preferably. Which is why they need pressure on them which goes beyond any manager currently in place. If they had any real ambition they would either back the manager with available funds or replace with someone who can better him. They are happy to plod along and take the buck though. If we aren't missing out on someone we are scaring him away with tales of Adult Disneyland. Money making aside Football is laughing at our board. |
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Post by bushy1987 on Sept 23, 2018 11:17:26 GMT
There is some great English talent out there and quite a few in the younger age groups the main problem for me is that the English clubs especially the prem clubs don't seem to have the patience anymore to bring them through, it's probably all to do with the money at the end of the day, you see in France and Germany the teams have less budgets ect so they put the effort in to developing their own players.
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Post by On a break on Sept 23, 2018 11:18:28 GMT
Stats eh? all I know is I watched the game sober and according to the BBC we had 6 shots on target and Wolves had 8, De Gea was the busier keeper and we are the home side, the Rose tinteds dont do it for me. and this wasn't a top 6 side we were playing. it was a good promoted team. we should be squatting these away. I was listening to commentary and they said: "if you told me 1 team was a newly promoted team wanted to be safe from relegation and the other was a team that aspires to win, it would be Wolves looking to win" Dont get me wrong Wolves are a good solid team but Man Utd should be practically unbeatable at home, we have lost all perspective if we make excuses for not beating Wolves. |
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Post by Rustin Cohle on Sept 23, 2018 11:28:28 GMT
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Post by Karma on Sept 23, 2018 11:31:35 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2018 11:31:36 GMT
We have a brilliant record with young British players. We fucked up with Zaha. There's absolutely no reason we shouldn't be hoovering the best English talent. I more meant that the best English talent, barring the odd gem, simply isn’t good enough. There will always be English talent. It's wrong to suggest there won't be English players out there that are good enough. We need to get the next one. |
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Post by Stew on Sept 23, 2018 11:58:17 GMT
Stats eh? all I know is I watched the game sober and according to the BBC we had 6 shots on target and Wolves had 8, De Gea was the busier keeper and we are the home side, the Rose tinteds dont do it for me. You said we were hanging on. We weren’t. The game was pretty even. Whether or not it we should be against Wolves is another discussion. |
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Post by On a break on Sept 23, 2018 12:01:29 GMT
Stats eh? all I know is I watched the game sober and according to the BBC we had 6 shots on target and Wolves had 8, De Gea was the busier keeper and we are the home side, the Rose tinteds dont do it for me. You said we were hanging on. We weren’t. The game was pretty even. Whether or not it we should be against Wolves is another discussion. They looked the likelier to score second half, thats the truth. |
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