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Post by mightyez on Sept 23, 2018 12:01:58 GMT
If Jose drops Sanchez and publicly makes it known especially by stating he has been poor, I will forgive all his short comings.
Sanchez is a disgrace of a player right now
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Post by mightyez on Sept 23, 2018 12:09:22 GMT
To be fair they should both be dropped
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Post by GeniusCantona on Sept 23, 2018 13:04:44 GMT
The way we’re giving up chances to lesser opposition seems to be the bigger problem to me. We easily could have drawn to Young Boys and could’ve lost here. Fucking Ed and the board really fucked our chances by failing to put the funds towards another CB or two.
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Post by Karma on Sept 23, 2018 13:06:26 GMT
The way we’re giving up chances to lesser opposition seems to be the bigger problem to me. We easily could have drawn to Young Boys and could’ve lost here. Fucking Ed and the board really fucked our chances by failing to put the funds towards another CB or two. Back or sack. Noodlehead did neither. |
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Post by bushy1987 on Sept 23, 2018 13:08:48 GMT
The way we’re giving up chances to lesser opposition seems to be the bigger problem to me. We easily could have drawn to Young Boys and could’ve lost here. Fucking Ed and the board really fucked our chances by failing to put the funds towards another CB or two. A CB wouldn't have finished all the chances Lukaku keeps missing or stop pogba from going missing in the majority of games the problems lie much deeper then that. The most annoying thing for me is if they didn't want to back Jose then why not sack him and replace him with somebody else, the summer was a massive fuck up all around and we will pay for it this year, I honestly don't think we will make the top 4. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2018 13:39:32 GMT
The way we’re giving up chances to lesser opposition seems to be the bigger problem to me. We easily could have drawn to Young Boys and could’ve lost here. Fucking Ed and the board really fucked our chances by failing to put the funds towards another CB or two. I can’t see an 80 million Harry Maguire making any difference to how we play newly promoted sides at OT |
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Post by GeniusCantona on Sept 23, 2018 14:02:59 GMT
The way we’re giving up chances to lesser opposition seems to be the bigger problem to me. We easily could have drawn to Young Boys and could’ve lost here. Fucking Ed and the board really fucked our chances by failing to put the funds towards another CB or two. I can’t see an 80 million Harry Maguire making any difference to how we play newly promoted sides at OT Well for one you have a greater presence at the back. Maguire is an upgrade on smalling and Lindeoff. Fine, we miss chances but we shouldn’t be panicking when we’re leading at home and should be assured that 1 nil could be enough if it ends that way. All the top managers build from the back, Fergie, Pep, Jose and now even Klopp has bought into that. 100% agree with Karma, they either should’ve backed Jose or sacked him. |
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Post by Karma on Sept 23, 2018 14:26:10 GMT
The way we’re giving up chances to lesser opposition seems to be the bigger problem to me. We easily could have drawn to Young Boys and could’ve lost here. Fucking Ed and the board really fucked our chances by failing to put the funds towards another CB or two. A CB wouldn't have finished all the chances Lukaku keeps missing or stop pogba from going missing in the majority of games the problems lie much deeper then that. The most annoying thing for me is if they didn't want to back Jose then why not sack him and replace him with somebody else, the summer was a massive fuck up all around and we will pay for it this year, I honestly don't think we will make the top 4. Because he secured CL for 2 consecutive seasons so they are hedging their bets for the third. The fact they think this squad is good enough for top 4 sums them up. Where is the ambition to push on like Pool are doing? Well that would mean spending money which they don't want to do. When he is replaced I have no doubt money will be available and then the brakes will be put on. They can also have the last manager on the CV having 3 years to produce. Don't underestimate the ego of our chief exec. |
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Post by juanveron on Sept 23, 2018 14:35:25 GMT
You see, I really don’t get the idea behind picking one of these guys over a far more successful manager in Zidane. To me that’s actually trying to be too clever. We don’t know what Zidane is capable of yet. Maybe he can rebuild a side if required. But did City think they should wait because Pep had been handed excellent squads at his previous clubs? Of course not. Why should we? These guys listed are good manager but as have as many doubts as Zidane. I’d prefer to take a gamble on the guy who has won 3 champions leagues in 4 years. If Ed gets out of his way, say signs 3 top drawer players then the team can be transformed. Jose and van Gaal were both supremely successful and both have failed here (barring a miracle turnaround from Jose). I think the stuff I mentioned is more important right now than a track record of trophies (though obviously within reason, I’m not advocating Eddie Howe or someone from The Championship). There’s a good chance that Zidane comes in and rebuilds our squad and it’s excellent. I just think there’s a better chance with the managers I’ve listed. I won’t be upset if he comes in. But we need to be so careful with this appointment, because we’re slipping further and further into the abyss and each failure could make things worse and worse with the time without a title increasing. Both Jose and LVG were arguably past their best when they joined us (LVG definitely was, hard to say with Jose since he won the league the year before.. definitely outdated style of football though). Zidane is on the back of 3 consecutive CL wins. |
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Post by juanveron on Sept 23, 2018 14:40:38 GMT
The way we’re giving up chances to lesser opposition seems to be the bigger problem to me. We easily could have drawn to Young Boys and could’ve lost here. Fucking Ed and the board really fucked our chances by failing to put the funds towards another CB or two. . Noodlehead did neither. Before this season started I wasn't of the opinion that it was as black and white as that, now I couldn't agree with it more. This summer had to be a show of intent by either doing what the coach believed was necessary in order to bridge the gap from the top, or by the board to show a vote of no confidence in the coach and replacing him with someone they have greater belief in. |
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Post by _ on Sept 23, 2018 14:41:02 GMT
We had 15 shots to their 11. We had 62% possession to their 38%. The corner count was equal. Where does this myth that we were dominated by Wolves come from? I’m as annoyed as anyone about yesterday but let’s not re-write history to suit our own agenda. They also had 8 shots on target at Old Trafford to our 6, so considering they only had 38% of the ball I'd say they used it better than us De Gea made 2 super saves again The 6 on target 1. Freds goal 2. Freds Free kick the rest were mostly half chances and long range shots. The hoof ball to Fellaini was pretty ineffective for the most part as always. I think we will get hammered at some point soon by a bigger team who can finish their chances. The amount of chances and shots on target, opposing teams are getting against us is ridiculous and we haven't played anyone really good apart from Spurs 0-3 No agenda just facts |
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Post by Karma on Sept 23, 2018 14:41:55 GMT
Jose and van Gaal were both supremely successful and both have failed here (barring a miracle turnaround from Jose). I think the stuff I mentioned is more important right now than a track record of trophies (though obviously within reason, I’m not advocating Eddie Howe or someone from The Championship). There’s a good chance that Zidane comes in and rebuilds our squad and it’s excellent. I just think there’s a better chance with the managers I’ve listed. I won’t be upset if he comes in. But we need to be so careful with this appointment, because we’re slipping further and further into the abyss and each failure could make things worse and worse with the time without a title increasing. Both Jose and LVG were arguably past their best when they joined us (LVG definitely was, hard to say with Jose since he won the league the year before.. definitely outdated methods though). Zidane is on the back of 3 consecutive CL wins. Jose should have been hired when Fergie left.He was practically gagging for the job. Chelsea was a fall back option imo. Everyone with a fully functioning brain knew we needed a manager with bottle and a long CV with actual trophies to boast about to take over the job left by the best of the best. Apologies if anyone was offended by this because I know there are fans out there who are fully behind the need for tradition and stability and can understand the Moyes appointment. I can too but I saw it more for the reasons I have suggested previously. Although Fergie pushed for this appointment I think the board thought he would work on a budget. Why else would you hire a man with nothing on his CV other than 1 top 4 finish in 11 years? |
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Post by . on Sept 23, 2018 15:09:34 GMT
I'm not debating Stewart earlier stats, re- possession, shots, corner count etc. We did top these areas.
To me we just look totally out of ideas.
We're beginning to take more time on the ball that we most probably don't need, the two touch stuff.
Also there seems to be a general lack of motivation for me which I find really surprising for any United side to have in the first place.
For example when I watched us as a kid, even in the 80's when Liverpool were lording you could never question our effort and application even though we were off the pace and lost games at times.
I know the club had a drinking culture at that time before Fergie stamped it out, but even the likes of Robbo, Whiteside, Kevin Moran, McGrath, Strachan, Frank Stapleton etc always gave their all.
Effort and general application isn't there with this current side, there's something off about us.
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Post by Karma on Sept 24, 2018 7:16:17 GMT
The way we’re giving up chances to lesser opposition seems to be the bigger problem to me. We easily could have drawn to Young Boys and could’ve lost here. Fucking Ed and the board really fucked our chances by failing to put the funds towards another CB or two. I can’t see an 80 million Harry Maguire making any difference to how we play newly promoted sides at OT It's the message that it sends out. The CEO thinks he knows better than the manager. Not that I think Maguire is the answer either. Jose is a dead man walking. What message does that send to the players? We are Chelsea but replace Roman with Mr Noodle and play hide the wallet. |
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Post by caino on Sept 24, 2018 7:22:20 GMT
I'm not debating Stewart earlier stats, re- possession, shots, corner count etc. We did top these areas. To me we just look totally out of ideas. We're beginning to take more time on the ball that we most probably don't need, the two touch stuff. Also there seems to be a general lack of motivation for me which I find really surprising for any United side to have in the first place. For example when I watched us as a kid, even in the 80's when Liverpool were lording you could never question our effort and application even though we were off the pace and lost games at times. I know the club had a drinking culture at that time before Fergie stamped it out, but even the likes of Robbo, Whiteside, Kevin Moran, McGrath, Strachan, Frank Stapleton etc always gave their all. Effort and general application isn't there with this current side, there's something off about us. nail on the head. we don't have 1 proper leader. 1 person getting everyone going and rallying everyone. I absolutely hate that Van Dijk has transformed them cunts. he would have been immense for us |
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