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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2018 9:11:16 GMT
Valencia has had mouth surgery and Dalot was injured since the international break. Neither fit to play. But no it's the managers fault neither played. Cue the "Well Dalot wouldn't have got a game anyway" coming up shortly. Why on earth there is so much bitching and moaning about Young playing I don't know. He had a decent game. Latest ROM scapegoat I presume? I said last season that neither should be starting games but in this instance the alternative option wasn't available and yet there's still fucking moaning!
That's for his tweeter like. The Saudis are here
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Post by juanveron on Oct 24, 2018 9:13:28 GMT
What I'm unsure of is whether the complete lack of urgency in our game (not just last night, but for the vast majority of the last couple of years) is due to the manager, or because of the squad. Like many have said, if you're playing against a better team, you should at the very least put in more effort than them.
If I'm being totally honest, last night was all I needed to see in order to understand just how far we are from the top. Sadly it's a combination of both manager and players. While you'd expect that a real top manager would be able to make our current team play better, it's foolish not to admit that our squad is just not at the level of Juventus (or any of the other elite teams in Europe). What really irks me is that the amount of money that we've spent since Moyes should've taken us back to the top, which brings me to how poor the people who oversee the recruitment in our club have performed - whoever they are, they've done such a bad job that I bet other teams use us as an example of how not to operate in the transfer market.
Reality checks are important, Rome wasn't built in a day and teams go through transitions and periods of reconstruction, but if we don't fix the glaring issues in the way the club operates, the awful ride we've been on since Fergie left will last for a lot longer than it should.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2018 9:15:59 GMT
Moyes made a similar comment, and was rightly fucked over for it. Only he didn't get backed up with 400m or whatever it is Jose has wasted so far. No, Moyes didn't. He said the level of football is what 'we aspire to be at'. Mourinho is rightly pointing out that in spite of the money spent we are still miles behind the likes of city in terms of squad investment. Guardiola had been given anything he has requested at city. First season, ditched popular England's Number One city Lionheart for a new goalkeeper. New goalkeeper didn't work, sign a new one a year later. Mangala cost 30 odd million a couple of years ago and Gusrdiola had Ben allowed to farm him out on loan just to get rid of hours presence in the squad. Before last season they signed a back up right back for about 30 million quid. John Stones had a dodgy half season so they went out and signed Laporte. Whereas our board hand out new contacts to players the manager wants to offload so the beancounters can demand bigger transfer fees. They veto signing 29 year old centre backs because 'reasons'. We refused to let Darmian go on loan insisting on a ridiculously overpriced permanent deal. So now we're stuck with a player who won't play and takes up a squad place. It's blatantly obvious what Mourinho was getting at. I think making no subs was point proving as well though, which I do disagree with. O.K, I can see now that you're fully on-board the Karma train. Can't be arsed with you, it's boring. Board are shit, we know. Surprised you didn't mention the stadium needs an upgrade. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2018 9:23:31 GMT
Bestie - What was your opinion of the game from being in the stadium? Seems like the fnas were on song for a change?
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Post by mightyez on Oct 24, 2018 9:31:40 GMT
Moyes made a similar comment, and was rightly fucked over for it. Only he didn't get backed up with 400m or whatever it is Jose has wasted so far. No, Moyes didn't. He said the level of football is what 'we aspire to be at'. Mourinho is rightly pointing out that in spite of the money spent we are still miles behind the likes of city in terms of squad investment. Guardiola had been given anything he has requested at city. First season, ditched popular England's Number One city Lionheart for a new goalkeeper. New goalkeeper didn't work, sign a new one a year later. Mangala cost 30 odd million a couple of years ago and Gusrdiola had Ben allowed to farm him out on loan just to get rid of hours presence in the squad. Before last season they signed a back up right back for about 30 million quid. John Stones had a dodgy half season so they went out and signed Laporte. Whereas our board hand out new contacts to players the manager wants to offload so the beancounters can demand bigger transfer fees. They veto signing 29 year old centre backs because 'reasons'. We refused to let Darmian go on loan insisting on a ridiculously overpriced permanent deal. So now we're stuck with a player who won't play and takes up a squad place. It's blatantly obvious what Mourinho was getting at. I think making no subs was point proving as well though, which I do disagree with. bestie whilst I hear what your saying, the reality is whilst he is going about making points we suffer on the pitch., his primary job is to coach, manage and get the best out of what he has and he is failing badly at that. even if jose got all he wants the football and performances would still be pants and he would look for more money to flush down the drain. |
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Post by Chris on Oct 24, 2018 9:57:01 GMT
I'm looking at our line up last night. Leave the defence out of it as we all know our problems there. Lindelof was very good by the way.
If you take Lukaku and Matic out of that line up, it's not a bad side at all. I'd take the chance and bang Alexis up front, when he's back. Maybe even Rashford up there with Alexis on the right. Take Matic out for Fred and we have a good side.
Lukaku is nowhere near good enough for us. Maybe he'd fair better with a strike partner,I dunno. He definitely hinders our chances though and he needs dropping. May as well play with 10 men. Matic just doesn't cut it in this system. From the little we have seen, Fred is much more dynamic and would fit in much better with what we need. 2 changes and, for me, we greatly improve.
In terms of the back 4, Dalot for Young when he's back, keep the rest, and pray until the summer.
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Post by Bestie on Oct 24, 2018 9:59:53 GMT
No, Moyes didn't. He said the level of football is what 'we aspire to be at'. Mourinho is rightly pointing out that in spite of the money spent we are still miles behind the likes of city in terms of squad investment. Guardiola had been given anything he has requested at city. First season, ditched popular England's Number One city Lionheart for a new goalkeeper. New goalkeeper didn't work, sign a new one a year later. Mangala cost 30 odd million a couple of years ago and Gusrdiola had Ben allowed to farm him out on loan just to get rid of hours presence in the squad. Before last season they signed a back up right back for about 30 million quid. John Stones had a dodgy half season so they went out and signed Laporte. Whereas our board hand out new contacts to players the manager wants to offload so the beancounters can demand bigger transfer fees. They veto signing 29 year old centre backs because 'reasons'. We refused to let Darmian go on loan insisting on a ridiculously overpriced permanent deal. So now we're stuck with a player who won't play and takes up a squad place. It's blatantly obvious what Mourinho was getting at. I think making no subs was point proving as well though, which I do disagree with. bestie whilst I hear what your saying, the reality is whilst he is going about making points we suffer on the pitch., his primary job is to coach, manage and get the best out of what he has and he is failing badly at that. even if jose got all he wants the football and performances would still be pants and he would look for more money to flush down the drain. Yep, that part is completely pathetic. Mourinho needs to go, there is no denying it. If he can scorch the owners and Woodward on his way out, excellent. |
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Post by Bestie on Oct 24, 2018 10:07:04 GMT
Bestie - What was your opinion of the game from being in the stadium? Seems like the fnas were on song for a change? We were up for it but the buzz quickly deflated when it became obvious hope the game was going to go. Everyone was willing us to be better. Anytime we looked like building a bit of momentum the crowd got up but of course we'd immediately give it away easily. It was frustrating. |
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Post by . on Oct 24, 2018 11:04:22 GMT
We won't get 4th or do anything in this. Why not just sack the boring,unstable prick. Get Jardin to work with Carrick and McKenna for the rest of the year and play football with a few youngsters introduced. Any things got to be better than this puke and we are wasting time Agree with that.
Another day in work, another depressing day after watching that dross last night.
I'm sick of his face to be honest, whinging about not being backed, banging on about Juve's centre-half's.
Jose needs to go ASAP, I don't care.
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Post by _ on Oct 24, 2018 11:45:18 GMT
Sounds exactly like that shit Moyes spouted about United should aspire to be like City.
It's clearly a dig at Woodward and the Glazers. Jose is saying those clubs are at the level they are at because of the investment in the squads.Really? did they spend more than us the last 4 years? Is their wage bill higher than ours and is their academy producing more youngsters than we do? It's just a question, maybe they are!?? I would be surprised if their investment is any way higher than ours, but the direction and coaching seems much better! |
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Post by _ on Oct 24, 2018 12:26:21 GMT
We played a 33 year old right-footed left winger converted left back at right back. In place on a 33 year old no footed converted 33 year old right winger. We've spent a fuckload of money despite people saying the owners are penny pinching on the first team squad, This problem hasn't just surfaced in the one summer we spent relatively little. The one summer we spent relatively little was still almost 100M, including a CM who was in demand because of his performances last couple of years in the CL especially against City! Short term thinking comes from Mourinho, when he wanted Ibrahimovic an ageing striker in Mourinhos mould, then we were left high and dry and he bought Lukaku his type of striker then the same short term thinking at great expense with Sanchez. The job is too much for him and there is a conflict between his short term pragmatic model for success and the demand to play exciting football and play young players There were other options and younger players we could have gone for then and or played a different way, but he can't/won't do that. Martial would be better in a different team and Rashford showed against Spain how good he can be. Martial and Rashford are inconsistent because of their age and the way they are used intermittently. Matic is fucked and was a short term buy, but he won't use Fred?? He still thinks Fellaini is his game changer and convinced the board to give him what he wanted to keep him. I was disappointed when we bought Lindelof, because we really needed an experienced CB, but he seemed happy with his purchases Bailly and Lindelof then. He has mostly had experienced CB's in his teams and when he doesn't get them his model tends to fall apart, because it's all about defence. That squad is much better than the inconsistent shit that is being produced, but blaming it all on investment is a con job and deflection from a manager who is limited and constantly blowing up with everyone! At the end of the day Juve only won by one goal and we barely threatened them apart from the shot from Pogba. One of the problems last night was in MF last night and he could have made changes. He had 150M worth of central midfield players with more energy sitting on the bench. He should have hooked Lukaku also. He had options but did nothing and banged on about Centre Backs after the game as usual. |
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Post by Bestie on Oct 24, 2018 12:29:33 GMT
It's clearly a dig at Woodward and the Glazers. Jose is saying those clubs are at the level they are at because of the investment in the squads.Really? did they spend more than us the last 4 years? Is their wage bill higher than ours and is their academy producing more youngsters than we do? It's just a question, maybe they are!?? I would be surprised if their investment is any way higher than ours, but the direction and coaching seems much better! In the last four seasons we have only outspent city once. That was this summer. They have also obviously vastly outspent us in the last decade, investing not only in the playing squad but infrastructure, training facilities, stadium and 'footballing hierarchy'. They laid out the carpet for Guardiola years before he even took the job. We lack that sort of investment and forward planning. |
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Post by . on Oct 24, 2018 12:43:53 GMT
Sky are reporting that we could get sanctioned by UEFA due to the 3 pitch invaders last night.
I think the last two United fans were trying to get selfies with Ronaldo!!
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Post by _ on Oct 24, 2018 12:50:08 GMT
Really? did they spend more than us the last 4 years? Is their wage bill higher than ours and is their academy producing more youngsters than we do? It's just a question, maybe they are!?? I would be surprised if their investment is any way higher than ours, but the direction and coaching seems much better! In the last four seasons we have only outspent city once. That was this summer. They have also obviously vastly outspent us in the last decade, investing not only in the playing squad but infrastructure, training facilities, stadium and 'footballing hierarchy'. They laid out the carpet for Guardiola years before he even took the job. We lack that sort of investment and forward planning. I was thinking of the spending compared to Juve, but yeah City in the last 10 years. The thing is City only got it right the last 4/5 years and culminating in Pep showing up. The early days were all over the place despite the money and they had a lot of bogies and players sitting on their books too. The funds are there to go for it, but the model is at odds with Mourinho as a coach. It's like there are too many factions. Longer vision of exciting attacking football, promoting and coaching young players V Pragmatic short term winning at all cost buying players in their peak You end up with what we have. I hope we change the way it's executed after this year, rather than splash out more on Mourinhos vision. That's my worry |
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Post by _ on Oct 24, 2018 12:58:08 GMT
Really? did they spend more than us the last 4 years? Is their wage bill higher than ours and is their academy producing more youngsters than we do? It's just a question, maybe they are!?? I would be surprised if their investment is any way higher than ours, but the direction and coaching seems much better! In the last four seasons we have only outspent city once. That was this summer. They have also obviously vastly outspent us in the last decade, investing not only in the playing squad but infrastructure, training facilities, stadium and 'footballing hierarchy'. They laid out the carpet for Guardiola years before he even took the job. We lack that sort of investment and forward planning. see Van Gaal too, so basically 5 years of conflicted ideas and poor planning down to Woodwards react and spend. It has to change I'd love to see a really good purist coach who is more chilled and less focused on himself, given a chance with our spending power. Like a Sarri or Jardin or Poch. The big CV's haven't worked |
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